COVID-19 Megathread 6: Return of the Omicron

[It’s so Joever]

I know there's a delay but deaths don't seem to be going up as much as I would have thought by now...we've been exponential or nearly for a few weeks. It was similar in the summer.

Better treatments+more testing+lag.

[It’s so Joever]

I’ve seen a lot of leftists on social media criticize the Biden celebrations, so not sure why you all are trying to both sides this now.

[It’s so Joever]

It’s terrible.
Our hospitals are getting close to being completely overloaded.
Even worse, many healthcare workers are getting sick and that means they can’t treat patients.
Please stay healthy in all aspects, (so like try not to break a limb). You may not be able to get hospital treatment at all this winter.
Although the average ICU stay is currently less time than it was in March, much of that is due to better treatment. And when we run out of either treatment or healthcare workers to administer that treatment...well it’s back to square one.
Be prepared, this is actually hitting nuclear levels.


And for those of you who still need more proof to accept the severity of this catastrophe...don’t worry you will get some proof soon, and there will be no turning back the clocks. To anyone who tried to downplay this virus...I hope you read this post on March and think back to what could have been had you and people like you acted like rational human beings. It’s too late now, you reap what you sow.

[It’s so Joever]

I will just watch and let you all see how the economy does in a few weeks.
This won’t fix itself, but if you want to believe that, well go ahead by all means.

Also if it makes you feel better, it appears that those who personally have had a relative die from Covid were more likely to vote for Biden than Trump compared to the general populace. Part of that can be attributed to the geographic diaspora of deaths, but also it would seem that being anti-lockdown has been the cemented GOP position.

[It’s so Joever]

I will just watch and let you all see how the economy does in a few weeks.
This won’t fix itself, but if you want to believe that, well go ahead by all means.

Also if it makes you feel better, it appears that those who personally have had a relative die from Covid were more likely to vote for Biden than Trump compared to the general populace. Part of that can be attributed to the geographic diaspora of deaths, but also it would seem that being anti-lockdown has been the cemented GOP position.

lol its very hard for me to change my mind about anything. I have been holding the same view points for months.

I am tired of arguing with the right about masks.

I understand your position, but we are at a breaking point in half of the country. Of course, I personally am fine with this as it just makes people more anti-Trump, but this is definitely a crisis.

[It’s so Joever]

https://twitter.com/mviser/status/1328834073842814978

Will his pigeons save him?

[It’s so Joever]

First of all, lol at three percent being the threshold.

Secondly, I think Atlas and New York need to differentiate between two groups.
Lumping in everyone 5-18 when it comes to health decisions is an incredibly dumb concept, especially when it comes to Covid.

For one, we have had evidence since this summer that younger children and teenagers experience the virus differently and one group has been proven to be more likely to transmit the virus, which is the latter.
There isn’t a perfect cut-off point, but puberty seems to have a pretty significant impact on how the body reacts to this.

In general primary schools should almost always be kept open when possible. Not only are these younger children significantly less likely to spread the virus but they are more likely to suffer from online education relative to their older peers.

In most states we should probably keep at least high schools closed down, although there are a few exceptions, but that list gets smaller each day we continue to act so stupidly as Americans.

There also should be the option for some in-person instruction provided by the school districts for those with severe learning disabilities in all grades of course.

[It’s so Joever]

We're on track to hit >200,000 new cases >2,000 deaths in one day before the end of this week. Things are spinning out of control.

But Green Line said this would just be a flu!

[It’s so Joever]

https://twitter.com/JakeSherman/status/1329792061105729541

Well gosh golly jee wilickers isn’t that a dadgum bad turn of events.

A possible development to watch: Scott was here (Forsyth County GA) last week campaigning in person with David Perdue and Kelly Loeffler.

I just noted this elsewhere. I wouldn't be surprised if those two contract the virus at this point. At the rate it's spreading, half of Congress will have it before the year is out.

One can hope.

[It’s so Joever]

I'm coming to the conclusion that people won't feel unified and that there won't be any homages to people who have died of Coronavirus. People have been isolated from the pain and suffering that the virus has caused. The Vaccine won't fix the apparent disconnect that people feel right now. There won't be any monuments for this tragedy.

Perhaps not but a lot of people will wake up when s**t hits the fan in December.

[It’s so Joever]

So um...given the likely long term lung damage in many patients, is it possible this is the push we finally need to get universal healthcare, or am I being too optimistic?

[It’s so Joever]

So um...given the likely long term lung damage in many patients, is it possible this is the push we finally need to get universal healthcare, or am I being too optimistic?

Hard no. The fact that a large portion of the country won't even accept mask mandates is a very worrying sign about universal healthcare.
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True but that’s because they aren’t being affected yet.

[It’s so Joever]

Why does every anti-lockdown rally have to have people walking with Confederate flags?

https://bronx.news12.com/business-owners-march-in-protest-of-gov-murphys-new-restrictions

Because we are just itching to rebel against our insane dictators.

Don’t you have a god to ignore and a communist to worship?

[It’s so Joever]

And once again, the differences between younger students and high schoolers are not made.
Does Atlas think everyone under 18 is biologically the same and that you only age once when you turn 18?
We have evidence there are different rates of spread among primary and secondary students, but apply one monolithic solution because that is clearly what will help us right now.
This forum is cancer.

[It’s so Joever]

The updated numbers for COVID-19 in the U.S. are in for 11/28 per: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

I'm keeping track of these updates daily and updating at the end of the day, whenever all states finish reporting for that day.

ΔW Change: Comparisons of Weekly Day-to-day Growth or Decline of COVID-19 Spread/Deaths.

• IE: Comparing the numbers to the same day of last week, are we flattening the curve enough?

Σ Increase: A day's contribution to overall percentage growth of COVID-19 cases/deaths.

• IE: What's the overall change in the total?

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11/15: <Sunday>

• Cases: 11,366,379 (+140,341 | ΔW Change: ↑32.82% | Σ Increase: ↑1.25%)
• Deaths: 251,832 (+576 | ΔW Change: ↑12.72% | Σ Increase: ↑0.23%)

11/16: <M>

• Cases: 11,538,057 (+171,678 | ΔW Change: ↑28.62% | Σ Increase: ↑1.51%)
• Deaths: 252,651 (+819 | ΔW Change: ↑20.44% | Σ Increase: ↑0.33%)

11/17: <T>

• Cases: 11,695,550 (+157,493 | ΔW Change: ↑14.77% | Σ Increase: ↑1.36%)
• Deaths: 254,253 (+1,602 | ΔW Change: ↑18.58% | Σ Increase: ↑0.63%)

11/18: <W>

• Cases: 11,873,727 (+178,177 | ΔW Change: ↑19.15% | Σ Increase: ↑1.52%)
• Deaths: 256,254 (+2,001 | ΔW Change: ↑25.14% | Σ Increase: ↑0.79%)

11/19: <Þ>

• Cases: 12,068,003 (+194,276 | ΔW Change: ↑17.59% | Σ Increase: ↑1.64%)
• Deaths: 258,302 (+2,048 | ΔW Change: ↑72.54% | Σ Increase: ↑0.80%)

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• Cases: 12,274,726 (+206,723 | ΔW Change: ↑8.56% | Σ Increase: ↑1.71%)
• Deaths: 260,283 (+1,981 | ΔW Change: ↑42.52% | Σ Increase: ↑0.77%)

11/21: <S>

• Cases: 12,450,666 (+175,940 | ΔW Change: ↑8.82% | Σ Increase: ↑1.43%)
• Deaths: 261,790 (+1,507 | ΔW Change: ↑17.64% | Σ Increase: ↑0.58%)

11/22: <Sunday>

• Cases: 12,588,661 (+137,995 | ΔW Change: ↓1.67% | Σ Increase: ↑1.11%)
• Deaths: 262,696 (+906 | ΔW Change: ↑57.29% | Σ Increase: ↑0.35%)

11/23: <M>

• Cases: 12,777,174 (+188,513 | ΔW Change: ↑9.81% | Σ Increase: ↑1.50%)
• Deaths: 263,687 (+991 | ΔW Change: ↑21.00% | Σ Increase: ↑0.38%)

11/24: <T>

• Cases: 12,955,007 (+177,833 | ΔW Change: ↑12.91% | Σ Increase: ↑1.39%)
• Deaths: 265,891 (+2,204 | ΔW Change: ↑37.58% | Σ Increase: ↑0.84%)

11/25: <W>

• Cases: 13,137,962 (+182,955 | ΔW Change: ↑2.68% | Σ Increase: ↑1.41%)
• Deaths: 268,219 (+2,328 | ΔW Change: ↑16.34% | Σ Increase: ↑0.88%)

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• Cases: 13,248,676 (+110,714 | ΔW Change: ↓43.01% | Σ Increase: ↑0.84%)
• Deaths: 269,555 (+1,336 | ΔW Change: ↓34.77% | Σ Increase: ↑0.50%)

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• Cases: 13,454,254 (+205,578 | ΔW Change: ↓0.55% | Σ Increase: ↑1.55%)
• Deaths: 271,026 (+1,471 | ΔW Change: ↓25.74% | Σ Increase: ↑0.55%)

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• Cases: 13,610,357 (+156,103 | ΔW Change: ↓11.27% | Σ Increase: ↑1.16%)
• Deaths: 272,254 (+1,228 | ΔW Change: ↓18.51% | Σ Increase: ↑0.45%)

Finally a bit of good news.
That being said, whether this is just Holiday week lag still remains to be seen. If we have a positive trend by Wednesday, I say we can at least say there has been a slight decline (who knows how Thanksgiving will change it)

[It’s so Joever]

The good news is that we have made historic progress on a vaccine for a virus we didn’t even know existed just a year ago.
This does show that our scientific community really can achieve incredible feats when they collaborate.

Also, hopefully Covid makes people more aware of potential pandemics in general.
One thing I have been concerned about for years is the lack of new antibiotics and the accompanied increase of antibiotic-resistant bacteria. If Covid forces us to actually pay attention to these types of health issues, it will have been a net benefit in the long term.

[It’s so Joever]

The good news is that we have made historic progress on a vaccine for a virus we didn’t even know existed just a year ago.
This does show that our scientific community really can achieve incredible feats when they collaborate.

Also, hopefully Covid makes people more aware of potential pandemics in general.
One thing I have been concerned about for years is the lack of new antibiotics and the accompanied increase of antibiotic-resistant bacteria. If Covid forces us to actually pay attention to these types of health issues, it will have been a net benefit in the long term.

Did you hear about Polis' diagnosis with coronavirus? And do you know if there's been any other governors recently who've gotten it, besides him?

Of course, I think most people in Colorado know about it at this point.
Truthfully I am apathetic towards the news.
I’m sure other governors have contracted it but to be honest I haven’t tracked that.

[It’s so Joever]

Honestly I am of the opinion nurses should walk out nationally for a few days.
It’s clear the American people don’t care about their lives, so why should they be forced to go into a war when the American people spit on them?
This is worse than how we treated our Vietnam vets, and that says something.

I know it’s awful, but they should make it clear we need politicians to acknowledge the severity of this virus and to have mask mandates in every state.

They are too nice to do it, but I wish they grew a spine because clearly they are being abused by the GOP as if they were useless pawns.

[It’s so Joever]

Honestly I am of the opinion nurses should walk out nationally for a few days.
It’s clear the American people don’t care about their lives, so why should they be forced to go into a war when the American people spit on them?
This is worse than how we treated our Vietnam vets, and that says something.

I know it’s awful, but they should make it clear we need politicians to acknowledge the severity of this virus and to have mask mandates in every state.

They are too nice to do it, but I wish they grew a spine because clearly they are being abused by the GOP as if they were useless pawns.

If it wasn't for all the suffering and death that would cause, I would 100% agree.

The suffering and death is the point.
That will be the leverage that is used against politicians and the American idiots.
It’s a small sacrifice for the greater good.

[It’s so Joever]

The suffering and death is the point.
That will be the leverage that is used against politicians and the American idiots.
It’s a small sacrifice for the greater good.

This is the point where some people would have a "road to Damascus" moment and realize that perhaps, yes, you are the bad guy here.

It’s necessary for the betterment of our country.
I am not here to pretend life is all roses, I am here to fight against the virus and the American traitors, knowing full well that some deaths are inevitable in our fight for the people.

This is the only way we can get some real action on the virus, otherwise nurses will continue to be society’s punching bags. Our troops deserve better, and it’s time to show America what happens without them.

I do not endorse any unecessary death, but I do acknowledge that without an actual cost, the American people and the GOP will continue to abuse our healthcare workers. The question is whether they will stand up for themselves, and for this country's future, even if it is vile on paper.

[It’s so Joever]

According to my mother (she does pulmonary research) a few of the extracted RNA sequences that a research group got from post-Covid patients (severe illness) look a lot like those of IPF.

I’m not saying it is the exact same, but that alone should be concerning. The life expectancy of those with IPF is three years upon diagnosis. So...yeah Del Taco you ed up.

[It’s so Joever]

I don’t think the virus-truthers/down players understand what fire they played with here.

I could say this is really terrible over and over again, but there is no point, it’s far too late.
It’s not an if or even a model scenario, our hospitals across many parts of the country are and will be overwhelmed. Luckily most patients acutely only need oxygen at most which can be provided outside of the ICU, so the short term death toll won’t be as terrible as it would have been had this happened in March (and it would have if we acted as irresponsibly then, but I digress)
The problem isn’t even capacity, it’s labor. So many healthcare workers are getting sick and quarantining that ICU professionals (who are highly trained and specialized btw) are scarce in supply.
We can make more beds, but it takes years to train ICU professionals.

Short term, expect this economic bubble to deflate a bit and a lot of people you know to get sick (and die if they are old) Obviously our hospitals are screwed so do not put yourself in a scenario where you need to use the ER over the next few months (or try at least, because good luck with getting help)

Long term...this is why virus truthers should be really f**king terrified.
I have already talked extensively about long term damage, but they won’t believe it themselves no matter what. I will say that another side effect will be an even worse nurse shortage. America actually already had to import nurses because of our labor shortage in the field, but that will only get worse now. Just look at how nurses have been bashed around like toys by the “Conservative Party” (communist traitors to the union) who would want to be a nurse after all this?

This is the type of stuff which triggers revolutions and instability in former superpowers, and we are well down that other already, you people only accelerated it.

Look, my mother is a pulmonary researcher, our family will be very possibly end up financially better off after all of this since this virus is serious for that reason, but this is ridiculous. Please at least try to think of the long term consequences before you open your Mississippi mouth (or whichever awful state you hail from )

[It’s so Joever]

https://twitter.com/jakecoco/status/1334993874276786178?s=20

how much longer will politicians expect they can have their rules be followed when they are making these decisions ?

Context?

[It’s so Joever]

I think outdoor dining should be allowed. Transmission is low outside.

Agreed, although winter is not a great time to outdoor dine.

[It’s so Joever]

Noted fascist Ron DeSantis now covering up the state's COVID numbers by deploying cops to intimidate whistleblowers. Not good!
https://twitter.com/GeoRebekah/status/1336065787900145665

Republicans are not Americans. It’s time to drop any sympathy or Joe for these scum.