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« on: August 07, 2020, 06:00:57 PM »





It’s still going to be over 8 on Election Day. Especially with the stimulus being over.
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« Reply #1 on: August 09, 2020, 10:32:30 AM »

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Theresa Lyons, who sits on the Paulding County BOE, suggested students change seats every 14 mins to get around this.

Brilliant! Just brilliant! Absolutely amazing work. 

It's a perfect example of creative idiocy.


Oh, she's a Republican.
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« Reply #2 on: August 12, 2020, 08:26:37 AM »

What is the consensus about the virus "running its course" because of herd immunity? That is, things start to get better because enough people have already had the virus? Could it be happening now? Could we know by September?
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« Reply #3 on: August 12, 2020, 10:23:20 AM »


Apparently it’s enough to keeps things from growing but no more.
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« Reply #4 on: August 12, 2020, 12:23:03 PM »

I think it was possible to keep schools reopened even if wasn't the greatest idea, However doing it with 0 restrictions was stupid.

The main changes that really need to be made in schools is better ventilation and better access to sinks. I'm the biggest germaphobe in the world, but I don't think kids need to go to school in a hazmat suit.

There's no way schools will be safe when community transmission is so widespread. Until new case numbers are pushed down to a low level, most activities will be too risky.

Are you suggesting that all school districts should consider going fully online for the fall semester? I am only beginning to imagine the consequences that will have for many families and students across the country. Of course, opening schools "normally" and in-person is fraught with its own difficulties, so we have a truly tough situation here.
Students (parents) should be given an option of in-person (traditional) schools, on-line charter schools, charter and private schools, cottage schools, home schooling, or no schooling.

Traditional schools should determine their capacity (teachers willing to work, class sizing, etc.). If more students want to attend than space is available, then oldest students in each grade are given priority.

Public schools should pay for students choosing on-line charter schools, charter and private schools, cottage schools, or home schooling.

For students choosing no schooling, taxes would be reduced.

Paying people to be illiterate?
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« Reply #5 on: August 13, 2020, 08:34:22 AM »

I think it was possible to keep schools reopened even if wasn't the greatest idea, However doing it with 0 restrictions was stupid.

The main changes that really need to be made in schools is better ventilation and better access to sinks. I'm the biggest germaphobe in the world, but I don't think kids need to go to school in a hazmat suit.

There's no way schools will be safe when community transmission is so widespread. Until new case numbers are pushed down to a low level, most activities will be too risky.

Are you suggesting that all school districts should consider going fully online for the fall semester? I am only beginning to imagine the consequences that will have for many families and students across the country. Of course, opening schools "normally" and in-person is fraught with its own difficulties, so we have a truly tough situation here.
Students (parents) should be given an option of in-person (traditional) schools, on-line charter schools, charter and private schools, cottage schools, home schooling, or no schooling.

Traditional schools should determine their capacity (teachers willing to work, class sizing, etc.). If more students want to attend than space is available, then oldest students in each grade are given priority.

Public schools should pay for students choosing on-line charter schools, charter and private schools, cottage schools, or home schooling.

For students choosing no schooling, taxes would be reduced.

Paying people to be illiterate?
Not levying taxes for services not provided.

Let's say a school district has 10,000 children of school age 5-17. They assess taxes to raise $7000 per student, or a total of $70M.

They are able to provide in-person schooling for 5000 willing students. 2000 choose on-line charter schools, 1000 choose private or charter schools, and 1000 choose to home school. 1000 prefer to defer education until they believe in-person schooling is safe, and don't like the alternatives.

So taxes are assessed for 9000 students.

That’s not how public goods work.
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« Reply #6 on: August 13, 2020, 08:47:48 AM »



Who knew that ending the $600 unemployment subsidy would mean folks would go out and apply for work?

Huh?  Lower unemployment claims mean that fewer people got laid off, not that more are looking for work.

Or that fewer people are applying. In some places, even if you were making $35 an hour, you still get the same benefits of someone making $10 an hour. It’s just a lot of work for $300 a week. $900 a week is more compelling.
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« Reply #7 on: August 13, 2020, 08:58:38 AM »
« Edited: August 13, 2020, 09:03:07 AM by Everything Was Forever, Until It Was No More »



Who knew that ending the $600 unemployment subsidy would mean folks would go out and apply for work?

Huh?  Lower unemployment claims mean that fewer people got laid off, not that more are looking for work.

It's the number first-time unemployment claims (not "layoffs" per se), and continuing claims were also down by 600,000.  The total number of Americans claiming unemployment fell by more than 3 million to 28.26 million for the week ending July 25.  The data suggests enhanced benefits provide an incentive for people to stay away from returning to work.  

Jobs would have to be opened, first. Which anecdotally, I know isn't happening. Which is fine because I already have a job but it would be great to have something lined up for next year.
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« Reply #8 on: August 13, 2020, 09:34:30 AM »



Who knew that ending the $600 unemployment subsidy would mean folks would go out and apply for work?

Huh?  Lower unemployment claims mean that fewer people got laid off, not that more are looking for work.

It's the number first-time unemployment claims (not "layoffs" per se), and continuing claims were also down by 600,000.  The total number of Americans claiming unemployment fell by more than 3 million to 28.26 million for the week ending July 25.  The data suggests enhanced benefits provide an incentive for people to stay away from returning to work. 

Um, the $600 benefit was still being paid through that time period.

Maybe it's just that the economy is continuing to climb out of a big hole?  I think you're trying too hard to tie these statistics to the end of the extra unemployment benefit.


Um, it has been widely reported for months that  the enhanced benefits were set to end July 31 so I can believe an uptick in job-seeking behavior during the month of July.

I agree we are climbing out of a big hole, but enhanced benefits make it a slower climb. 

People need to get jobs, sure, but it will definitely harder to justify hiring people when people can't afford things. This entire thing of just ending stimulus now just feels like when people were done with it in 1938 or why things were slower last time.

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« Reply #9 on: August 13, 2020, 12:05:21 PM »


Wasn't there a similar story that a had a contradictory outcome eariler?
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« Reply #10 on: August 15, 2020, 09:09:02 PM »

I think it was possible to keep schools reopened even if wasn't the greatest idea, However doing it with 0 restrictions was stupid.

The main changes that really need to be made in schools is better ventilation and better access to sinks. I'm the biggest germaphobe in the world, but I don't think kids need to go to school in a hazmat suit.

There's no way schools will be safe when community transmission is so widespread. Until new case numbers are pushed down to a low level, most activities will be too risky.

Are you suggesting that all school districts should consider going fully online for the fall semester? I am only beginning to imagine the consequences that will have for many families and students across the country. Of course, opening schools "normally" and in-person is fraught with its own difficulties, so we have a truly tough situation here.
Students (parents) should be given an option of in-person (traditional) schools, on-line charter schools, charter and private schools, cottage schools, home schooling, or no schooling.

Traditional schools should determine their capacity (teachers willing to work, class sizing, etc.). If more students want to attend than space is available, then oldest students in each grade are given priority.

Public schools should pay for students choosing on-line charter schools, charter and private schools, cottage schools, or home schooling.

For students choosing no schooling, taxes would be reduced.

Paying people to be illiterate?
Not levying taxes for services not provided.

Let's say a school district has 10,000 children of school age 5-17. They assess taxes to raise $7000 per student, or a total of $70M.

They are able to provide in-person schooling for 5000 willing students. 2000 choose on-line charter schools, 1000 choose private or charter schools, and 1000 choose to home school. 1000 prefer to defer education until they believe in-person schooling is safe, and don't like the alternatives.

So taxes are assessed for 9000 students.

That’s not how public goods work.
How so?

Public goods are things that you can’t just make for certain people because there is no effective or desirable way to exclude people from the good or service.
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« Reply #11 on: August 15, 2020, 10:59:17 PM »
« Edited: August 15, 2020, 11:02:45 PM by Everything Was Forever, Until It Was No More »

Schools aren’t really a public good in the economics sense of the term.   Our society has chosen to make them freely available to all children because we believe it is good policy to have a universally educated public, not because it would be impractical to exclude children from them, or to tax individual families to send their children there.
Well it kind of is when it’s the only way to participate in society. I guess we’ve had no public schools in the past and that it’s not like a street light where people will just be able to get light for free. The deal here would be is why not just have private schools? A system where people only pay what they use isn’t based on taxes. It’s based on fees.
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« Reply #12 on: August 16, 2020, 04:20:33 PM »

During the Ebola pandemic, Andrew Cuomo and Chris Christie enacted quarantines that applied only to people who had been exposed to Ebola patients. This meant very few people were even quarantined. Yet a lot of people back then said this was much too strict. Dr. Fauci even said this was much too strict and urged only monitoring, not a quarantine. When Florida implemented monitoring, some people even said that was too strict.

So why do we now have these much stricter measures that have lasted 5 whole months, and nobody dares to publicly oppose them?


People are just being cautious after the big spike in southern states. I think it is a slight overreaction, because most hospitals were not overwhelmed, but there is some cause for concern.

I'm personally pretty optimistic with my coronavirus predictions, but in my personal life, I'm playing it very safe because I'm privileged enough to do so.

DTC total sidebar, but I could've sworn you were a blue av for the longest time

He was.
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« Reply #13 on: August 18, 2020, 03:44:21 PM »

MyPillow CEO-turned-scientist Mike Lindell is selling a miracle death cure:

For the best night's sleep in the whole wide world. Smiley

The Joseph Stalin School of Medical thought. "No patient, then no problem".

More like Josegh Mengele
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« Reply #14 on: September 01, 2020, 12:24:47 PM »

I don't want to sound like an idiot but if you got the vaccine, would you still be able to carry the virus to others?
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« Reply #15 on: September 04, 2020, 07:53:20 AM »

The updated numbers for COVID-19 in the U.S. are in for 9/3 per: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

I'm keeping track of these updates daily and updating at the end of the day, whenever all states finish reporting for that day.

New - Substituting the Δ Change metric as of 7/13 on dates starting from 7/5:
ΔW Change: Comparisons of Weekly Day-to-day Growth or Decline of COVID-19 Spread/Deaths.
  • IE: Comparing the numbers to the same day of last week, are we flattening the curve enough?

Σ Increase: A day's contribution to overall percentage growth of COVID-19 cases/deaths.
  • IE: What's the overall change in the total?

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8/23: <Sunday>
  • Cases: 5,874,146 (+32,718| ΔW Change: ↓11.20% | Σ Increase: ↑0.56%)
  • Deaths: 180,604 (+430 | ΔW Change: ↓17.62% | Σ Increase: ↑0.24%)

8/24: <M>
  • Cases: 5,915,630 (+41,484| ΔW Change: ↓8.62% | Σ Increase: ↑0.71%)
  • Deaths: 181,114 (+510 | ΔW Change: ↓13.27% | Σ Increase: ↑0.28%)

8/25: <T>
  • Cases: 5,955,728 (+40,098| ΔW Change: ↓8.76% | Σ Increase: ↑0.68%)
  • Deaths: 182,404 (+1,290 | ΔW Change: ↓5.01% | Σ Increase: ↑0.71%)

8/26: <W>
  • Cases: 6,000,365 (+44,637| ΔW Change: ↓0.71% | Σ Increase: ↑0.75%)
  • Deaths: 183,653 (+1,249 | ΔW Change: ↓1.11% | Σ Increase: ↑0.68%)

8/27: <Þ>
  • Cases: 6,046,634 (+46,269| ΔW Change: ↑2.05% | Σ Increase: ↑0.77%)
  • Deaths: 184,796 (+1,143 | ΔW Change: ↑5.15% | Σ Increase: ↑0.62%)

8/28: <F>
  • Cases: 6,096,235 (+49,601| ΔW Change: ↓1.69% | Σ Increase: ↑0.82%)
  • Deaths: 185,901 (+1,105 | ΔW Change: ↓37.78% | Σ Increase: ↑0.60%)

8/29: <S>
  • Cases: 6,139,078 (+42,843| ΔW Change: ↓4.16% | Σ Increase: ↑0.70%)
  • Deaths: 186,855 (+954 | ΔW Change: ↓2.05% | Σ Increase: ↑0.51%)

8/30: <Sunday>
  • Cases: 6,173,236 (+34,158| ΔW Change: ↑4.40% | Σ Increase: ↑0.56%)
  • Deaths: 187,224 (+369 | ΔW Change: ↓14.19% | Σ Increase: ↑0.20%)

8/31: <M>
  • Cases: 6,211,682 (+38,446| ΔW Change: ↓7.32% | Σ Increase: ↑0.62%)
  • Deaths: 187,736 (+512 | ΔW Change: ↑0.39% | Σ Increase: ↑0.27%)

9/1: <T>
  • Cases: 6,257,571 (+45,889| ΔW Change: ↑14.44% | Σ Increase: ↑0.74%)
  • Deaths: 188,900 (+1,164 | ΔW Change: ↓9.77% | Σ Increase: ↑0.62%)

9/2 (Yesterday): <W>
  • Cases: 6,290,737 (+33,166| ΔW Change: ↓25.70% | Σ Increase: ↑0.53%)
  • Deaths: 189,964 (+1,064 | ΔW Change: ↓14.81% | Σ Increase: ↑0.56%)

9/3 (Today): <Þ>
  • Cases: 6,335,244 (+44,507| ΔW Change: ↓3.81% | Σ Increase: ↑0.71%)
  • Deaths: 191,058 (+1,094 | ΔW Change: ↓4.29% | Σ Increase: ↑0.58%)

At this rate, it's going to take months to get to some reasonable level. Say under 5000/100
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« Reply #16 on: September 14, 2020, 09:16:45 AM »
« Edited: September 14, 2020, 09:20:03 AM by The bEagle Forum »

Riot Police Arresting Melbourne Protestors

Lockdown Protest

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvW4qCkgu6Y

I love the guy who said "In the Mighty Name of Jesus Christ, He is coming for You".

I wonder what happens when a vengeful Jesus comes for you.

Just glad to see some freedom of expression....
for a limited period of time.


This is how we should have dealt with it in MI/WI/MN.
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« Reply #17 on: September 15, 2020, 09:12:03 AM »

The updated numbers for COVID-19 in the U.S. are in for 9/14 per: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

I'm keeping track of these updates daily and updating at the end of the day, whenever all states finish reporting for that day.

ΔW Change: Comparisons of Weekly Day-to-day Growth or Decline of COVID-19 Spread/Deaths.
  • IE: Comparing the numbers to the same day of last week, are we flattening the curve enough?

Σ Increase: A day's contribution to overall percentage growth of COVID-19 cases/deaths.
  • IE: What's the overall change in the total?

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9/6: <Sunday>
  • Cases: 6,460,250 (+29,098 | ΔW Change: ↓14.81% | Σ Increase: ↑0.45%)
  • Deaths: 193,250 (+432 | ΔW Change: ↑17.07% | Σ Increase: ↑0.22%)

9/7: <M>
  • Cases: 6,485,575 (+25,325 | ΔW Change: ↓34.13% | Σ Increase: ↑0.39%)
  • Deaths: 193,534 (+284 | ΔW Change: ↓44.53% | Σ Increase: ↑0.15%)

9/8: <T>
  • Cases: 6,514,231 (+28,656 | ΔW Change: ↓37.55% | Σ Increase: ↑0.44%)
  • Deaths: 194,032 (+498 | ΔW Change: ↓57.22% | Σ Increase: ↑0.26%)

9/9: <W>
  • Cases: 6,549,475 (+35,244 | ΔW Change: ↑6.27% | Σ Increase: ↑0.54%)
  • Deaths: 195,239 (+1,207 | ΔW Change: ↑13.44% | Σ Increase: ↑0.62%)

9/10: <Þ>
  • Cases: 6,588,163 (+35,244 | ΔW Change: ↓20.81% | Σ Increase: ↑0.59%)
  • Deaths: 196,328 (+1,089 | ΔW Change: ↓0.46% | Σ Increase: ↑0.56%)

9/11: <F>
  • Cases: 6,636,247 (+48,084 | ΔW Change: ↓10.65% | Σ Increase: ↑0.73%)
  • Deaths: 197,421 (+1,093 | ΔW Change: ↑3.80% | Σ Increase: ↑0.56%)

9/12: <S>
  • Cases: 6,676,601 (+40,354 | ΔW Change: ↓4.14% | Σ Increase: ↑0.61%)
  • Deaths: 198,128 (+707 | ΔW Change: ↑0.00% | Σ Increase: ↑0.36%)

9/13 (Yesterday): <Sunday>
  • Cases: 6,708,458 (+31,857 | ΔW Change: ↑9.48% | Σ Increase: ↑0.48%)
  • Deaths: 198,520 (+392 | ΔW Change: ↓9.26% | Σ Increase: ↑0.20%)

9/14 (Today): <M>
  • Cases: 6,749,289 (+40,831 | ΔW Change: ↑61.23% | Σ Increase: ↑0.61%)
  • Deaths: 199,000 (+480 | ΔW Change: ↑69.01% | Σ Increase: ↑0.24%)

Even odds today is the big day. Where was the poll about when the big day would be? How'd we do?
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« Reply #18 on: September 15, 2020, 09:49:19 AM »

The updated numbers for COVID-19 in the U.S. are in for 9/14 per: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

I'm keeping track of these updates daily and updating at the end of the day, whenever all states finish reporting for that day.

ΔW Change: Comparisons of Weekly Day-to-day Growth or Decline of COVID-19 Spread/Deaths.
  • IE: Comparing the numbers to the same day of last week, are we flattening the curve enough?

Σ Increase: A day's contribution to overall percentage growth of COVID-19 cases/deaths.
  • IE: What's the overall change in the total?

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9/6: <Sunday>
  • Cases: 6,460,250 (+29,098 | ΔW Change: ↓14.81% | Σ Increase: ↑0.45%)
  • Deaths: 193,250 (+432 | ΔW Change: ↑17.07% | Σ Increase: ↑0.22%)

9/7: <M>
  • Cases: 6,485,575 (+25,325 | ΔW Change: ↓34.13% | Σ Increase: ↑0.39%)
  • Deaths: 193,534 (+284 | ΔW Change: ↓44.53% | Σ Increase: ↑0.15%)

9/8: <T>
  • Cases: 6,514,231 (+28,656 | ΔW Change: ↓37.55% | Σ Increase: ↑0.44%)
  • Deaths: 194,032 (+498 | ΔW Change: ↓57.22% | Σ Increase: ↑0.26%)

9/9: <W>
  • Cases: 6,549,475 (+35,244 | ΔW Change: ↑6.27% | Σ Increase: ↑0.54%)
  • Deaths: 195,239 (+1,207 | ΔW Change: ↑13.44% | Σ Increase: ↑0.62%)

9/10: <Þ>
  • Cases: 6,588,163 (+35,244 | ΔW Change: ↓20.81% | Σ Increase: ↑0.59%)
  • Deaths: 196,328 (+1,089 | ΔW Change: ↓0.46% | Σ Increase: ↑0.56%)

9/11: <F>
  • Cases: 6,636,247 (+48,084 | ΔW Change: ↓10.65% | Σ Increase: ↑0.73%)
  • Deaths: 197,421 (+1,093 | ΔW Change: ↑3.80% | Σ Increase: ↑0.56%)

9/12: <S>
  • Cases: 6,676,601 (+40,354 | ΔW Change: ↓4.14% | Σ Increase: ↑0.61%)
  • Deaths: 198,128 (+707 | ΔW Change: ↑0.00% | Σ Increase: ↑0.36%)

9/13 (Yesterday): <Sunday>
  • Cases: 6,708,458 (+31,857 | ΔW Change: ↑9.48% | Σ Increase: ↑0.48%)
  • Deaths: 198,520 (+392 | ΔW Change: ↓9.26% | Σ Increase: ↑0.20%)

9/14 (Today): <M>
  • Cases: 6,749,289 (+40,831 | ΔW Change: ↑61.23% | Σ Increase: ↑0.61%)
  • Deaths: 199,000 (+480 | ΔW Change: ↑69.01% | Σ Increase: ↑0.24%)

Even odds today is the big day. Where was the poll about when the big day would be? How'd we do?

This was the original thread: https://talkelections.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=375303.0.  The most common guess was "won't happen", followed closely by September and October.

Given the rate at which things have been proceeding, we'll probably surpass 300,000 by the end of the year.

Just comes to show that Democrats need to totally rework their strategy and platform if they underperform and especially if they get wiped out this year. I just don’t see how you can meet a Trumpy GOP in the middle though. With Reagan’s GOP, we could talk about welfare reform and crime bills , with W’s GOP, we could talk about Roe going too far or avoid talking about AR-15s. How do you say were going to moderate on racism, though?

OK. Rant over.
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« Reply #19 on: September 15, 2020, 10:51:46 AM »

The updated numbers for COVID-19 in the U.S. are in for 9/14 per: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

I'm keeping track of these updates daily and updating at the end of the day, whenever all states finish reporting for that day.

ΔW Change: Comparisons of Weekly Day-to-day Growth or Decline of COVID-19 Spread/Deaths.
  • IE: Comparing the numbers to the same day of last week, are we flattening the curve enough?

Σ Increase: A day's contribution to overall percentage growth of COVID-19 cases/deaths.
  • IE: What's the overall change in the total?

Older Numbers (Hidden in spoiler mode to make the post more compact)


9/6: <Sunday>
  • Cases: 6,460,250 (+29,098 | ΔW Change: ↓14.81% | Σ Increase: ↑0.45%)
  • Deaths: 193,250 (+432 | ΔW Change: ↑17.07% | Σ Increase: ↑0.22%)

9/7: <M>
  • Cases: 6,485,575 (+25,325 | ΔW Change: ↓34.13% | Σ Increase: ↑0.39%)
  • Deaths: 193,534 (+284 | ΔW Change: ↓44.53% | Σ Increase: ↑0.15%)

9/8: <T>
  • Cases: 6,514,231 (+28,656 | ΔW Change: ↓37.55% | Σ Increase: ↑0.44%)
  • Deaths: 194,032 (+498 | ΔW Change: ↓57.22% | Σ Increase: ↑0.26%)

9/9: <W>
  • Cases: 6,549,475 (+35,244 | ΔW Change: ↑6.27% | Σ Increase: ↑0.54%)
  • Deaths: 195,239 (+1,207 | ΔW Change: ↑13.44% | Σ Increase: ↑0.62%)

9/10: <Þ>
  • Cases: 6,588,163 (+35,244 | ΔW Change: ↓20.81% | Σ Increase: ↑0.59%)
  • Deaths: 196,328 (+1,089 | ΔW Change: ↓0.46% | Σ Increase: ↑0.56%)

9/11: <F>
  • Cases: 6,636,247 (+48,084 | ΔW Change: ↓10.65% | Σ Increase: ↑0.73%)
  • Deaths: 197,421 (+1,093 | ΔW Change: ↑3.80% | Σ Increase: ↑0.56%)

9/12: <S>
  • Cases: 6,676,601 (+40,354 | ΔW Change: ↓4.14% | Σ Increase: ↑0.61%)
  • Deaths: 198,128 (+707 | ΔW Change: ↑0.00% | Σ Increase: ↑0.36%)

9/13 (Yesterday): <Sunday>
  • Cases: 6,708,458 (+31,857 | ΔW Change: ↑9.48% | Σ Increase: ↑0.48%)
  • Deaths: 198,520 (+392 | ΔW Change: ↓9.26% | Σ Increase: ↑0.20%)

9/14 (Today): <M>
  • Cases: 6,749,289 (+40,831 | ΔW Change: ↑61.23% | Σ Increase: ↑0.61%)
  • Deaths: 199,000 (+480 | ΔW Change: ↑69.01% | Σ Increase: ↑0.24%)

Even odds today is the big day. Where was the poll about when the big day would be? How'd we do?

This was the original thread: https://talkelections.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=375303.0.  The most common guess was "won't happen", followed closely by September and October.

Given the rate at which things have been proceeding, we'll probably surpass 300,000 by the end of the year.

Just comes to show that Democrats need to totally rework their strategy and platform if they underperform and especially if they get wiped out this year. I just don’t see how you can meet a Trumpy GOP in the middle though. With Reagan’s GOP, we could talk about welfare reform and crime bills , with W’s GOP, we could talk about Roe going too far or avoid talking about AR-15s. How do you say were going to moderate on racism, though?

OK. Rant over.

What are you trying to argue here? Are you saying that, given all which has transpired this year, the fact that Trump is still doing this well in the polls reflects poorly on our country? If so, I would agree. Even after 200,000 Americans have died-many of whose deaths were preventable-and this country's society has been so disrupted to such an unprecedented extent, his base is still behind him. I doubt that even a Second Great Depression would cause him to drop below 45% of the national popular vote.

Yup.
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« Reply #20 on: September 16, 2020, 04:53:32 PM »

Just found out that an elderly cousin of my wife's has COVID.  She just got out of the hospital for a different issue, and it's possible she contracted the virus there.
I hope they turn out ok. I’ve had two relatives get severe COVID already.
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« Reply #21 on: December 03, 2020, 09:53:11 PM »

The updated numbers for COVID-19 in the U.S. are in for 12/3 per: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

I'm keeping track of these updates daily and updating at the end of the day, whenever all states finish reporting for that day.

ΔW Change: Comparisons of Weekly Day-to-day Growth or Decline of COVID-19 Spread/Deaths.
  • IE: Comparing the numbers to the same day of last week, are we flattening the curve enough?

Σ Increase: A day's contribution to overall percentage growth of COVID-19 cases/deaths.
  • IE: What's the overall change in the total?

Older Numbers (Hidden in spoiler mode to make the post more compact)


11/22: <Sunday>
  • Cases: 12,588,661 (+137,995 | ΔW Change: ↓1.67% | Σ Increase: ↑1.11%)
  • Deaths: 262,696 (+906 | ΔW Change: ↑57.29% | Σ Increase: ↑0.35%)

11/23: <M>
  • Cases: 12,777,174 (+188,513 | ΔW Change: ↑9.81% | Σ Increase: ↑1.50%)
  • Deaths: 263,687 (+991 | ΔW Change: ↑21.00% | Σ Increase: ↑0.38%)

11/24: <T>
  • Cases: 12,955,007 (+177,833 | ΔW Change: ↑12.91% | Σ Increase: ↑1.39%)
  • Deaths: 265,891 (+2,204 | ΔW Change: ↑37.58% | Σ Increase: ↑0.84%)

11/25: <W>
  • Cases: 13,137,962 (+182,955 | ΔW Change: ↑2.68% | Σ Increase: ↑1.41%)
  • Deaths: 268,219 (+2,328 | ΔW Change: ↑16.34% | Σ Increase: ↑0.88%)

11/26: <Þ-Holiday>
  • Cases: 13,248,676 (+110,714 | ΔW Change: ↓43.01% | Σ Increase: ↑0.84%)
  • Deaths: 269,555 (+1,336 | ΔW Change: ↓34.77% | Σ Increase: ↑0.50%)

11/27: <F>
  • Cases: 13,454,254 (+205,578 | ΔW Change: ↓0.55% | Σ Increase: ↑1.55%)
  • Deaths: 271,026 (+1,471 | ΔW Change: ↓25.74% | Σ Increase: ↑0.55%)

11/28: <S>
  • Cases: 13,610,357 (+156,103 | ΔW Change: ↓11.27% | Σ Increase: ↑1.16%)
  • Deaths: 272,254 (+1,228 | ΔW Change: ↓18.51% | Σ Increase: ↑0.45%)

11/29: <Sunday>
  • Cases: 13,750,404 (+140,047 | ΔW Change: ↑1.49% | Σ Increase: ↑1.03%)
  • Deaths: 273,072 (+818 | ΔW Change: ↓9.71% | Σ Increase: ↑0.30%)

11/30: <M>
  • Cases: 13,919,870 (+169,466 | ΔW Change: ↓10.10% | Σ Increase: ↑1.23%)
  • Deaths: 274,332 (+1,260 | ΔW Change: ↑27.14% | Σ Increase: ↑0.46%)

12/1: <T>
  • Cases: 14,108,490 (+188,620 | ΔW Change: ↑6.07% | Σ Increase: ↑1.36%)
  • Deaths: 276,976 (+2,644 | ΔW Change: ↑19.96% | Σ Increase: ↑0.96%)

12/2 (Yesterday): <W>
  • Cases: 14,313,941 (+205,451 | ΔW Change: ↑12.30% | Σ Increase: ↑1.46%)
  • Deaths: 279,865 (+2,889 | ΔW Change: ↑24.10% | Σ Increase: ↑1.04%)

12/3 (Today): <Þ-Last Þ Holiday>
  • Cases: 14,535,196 (+221,255 | ΔW Change: ↑99.84% | Σ Increase: ↑1.55%)
  • Deaths: 282,829 (+2,964 | ΔW Change: ↑121.83% | Σ Increase: ↑1.06%)

That’s still pretty extreme.
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« Reply #22 on: December 05, 2020, 08:38:02 PM »

I’d prefer mass flagellation.
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« Reply #23 on: December 13, 2020, 12:44:26 AM »

The Deadliest Days In American History
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Here are some of the deadliest days in American history:

    1. Galveston Hurricane – 8,000
    2. Battle of Antietam – 3,675
    3. Battle of Gettysburg – 3,155
    4. September 11 – 2,977
    5. Last Thursday – 2,879
    6. Last Wednesday – 2,804
    7. Last Friday – 2,607
    8. Last Tuesday – 2,597
    9. Pearl Harbor – 2,403

No. ThAts AbOrShUn!
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« Reply #24 on: December 23, 2020, 05:20:31 PM »

It seems like we really needed a moderate social distancing policy that citizens and state/local leaders could reasonably stick to for a year vs. what we actually had with a short term near total shutdown and then a free for all, with repeated near total shutdowns in some places.  Something like indoor mask orders + closing schools initially until we determined it wasn't aimed at kids + aggressively breaking up gatherings of >250 (indoor) or >2500 (outdoor) but otherwise letting people live their lives?  All in all, the pro-mask Republican governors probably came closest to this?

Somewhere in between DeWine and Polis.
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