COVID-19 Megathread 6: Return of the Omicron

[Storr]

Mark Crispin Miller, Naomi Wolf, and Kim Iversen are prominent people on the left who oppose lockdowns.

Who?

[GeorgiaModerate]

https://twitter.com/mviser/status/1328834073842814978

[It’s so Joever]

https://twitter.com/mviser/status/1328834073842814978

Will his pigeons save him?

[An American Tail: Fubart Goes West]

https://twitter.com/mviser/status/1328834073842814978

Will his pigeons save him?

Maybe Dairy Queen will.

[Dr. Arch]

The updated numbers for COVID-19 in the U.S. are in for 11/17 per: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

I'm keeping track of these updates daily and updating at the end of the day, whenever all states finish reporting for that day.

ΔW Change: Comparisons of Weekly Day-to-day Growth or Decline of COVID-19 Spread/Deaths.

• IE: Comparing the numbers to the same day of last week, are we flattening the curve enough?

Σ Increase: A day's contribution to overall percentage growth of COVID-19 cases/deaths.

• IE: What's the overall change in the total?

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11/8: <Sunday>

• Cases: 10,288,480 (+105,662 | ΔW Change: ↑48.15% | Σ Increase: ↑1.04%)
• Deaths: 243,768 (+511 | ΔW Change: ↑28.07% | Σ Increase: ↑0.21%)

11/9: <M>

• Cases: 10,421,956 (+133,476 | ΔW Change: ↑43.22% | Σ Increase: ↑1.30%)
• Deaths: 244,448 (+680 | ΔW Change: ↑32.81% | Σ Increase: ↑0.28%)

11/10: <T>

• Cases: 10,559,184 (+137,228 | ΔW Change: ↑8.46% | Σ Increase: ↑1.32%)
• Deaths: 245,799 (+1,351 | ΔW Change: ↓19.25% | Σ Increase: ↑0.55%)

11/11: <W>

• Cases: 10,708,728 (+149,544 | ΔW Change: ↑38.82% | Σ Increase: ↑1.42%)
• Deaths: 247,398 (+1,599 | ΔW Change: ↑36.32% | Σ Increase: ↑0.65%)

11/12: <Þ>

• Cases: 10,873,936 (+165,208 | ΔW Change: ↑39.81% | Σ Increase: ↑1.54%)
• Deaths: 248,585 (+1,187 | ΔW Change: ↑5.60% | Σ Increase: ↑0.48%)

11/13: <F>

• Cases: 11,064,364 (+190,428 | ΔW Change: ↑36.94% | Σ Increase: ↑1.75%)
• Deaths: 249,975 (+1,390 | ΔW Change: ↑8.85% | Σ Increase: ↑0.56%)

11/14: <S>

• Cases: 11,226,038 (+161,674 | ΔW Change: ↑30.14% | Σ Increase: ↑1.46%)
• Deaths: 251,256 (+1,281 | ΔW Change: ↑24.73% | Σ Increase: ↑0.51%)

11/15: <Sunday>

• Cases: 11,366,379 (+140,341 | ΔW Change: ↑32.82% | Σ Increase: ↑1.25%)
• Deaths: 251,832 (+576 | ΔW Change: ↑12.72% | Σ Increase: ↑0.23%)

11/16 (Yesterday): <M>

• Cases: 11,538,057 (+171,678 | ΔW Change: ↑28.62% | Σ Increase: ↑1.51%)
• Deaths: 252,651 (+819 | ΔW Change: ↑20.44% | Σ Increase: ↑0.33%)

11/17 (Today): <T>

• Cases: 11,695,550 (+157,493 | ΔW Change: ↑14.77% | Σ Increase: ↑1.36%)
• Deaths: 254,253 (+1,602 | ΔW Change: ↑18.58% | Σ Increase: ↑0.63%)

[Darthpi – Anti-Florida Activist]

Really hoping today's new cases number is a start of a trend and not an anomaly.

[Horus]

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I've never heard of any of these people, and also the first one is a 9/11 truther.

You've never heard of them, yet somehow you know they're a 9/11 truther.

He' also an anti vaxxer which is much more bothersome. Are you an anti vaxxer Bandit?

[Bandit3 the Worker]

Are you an anti vaxxer Bandit?

No. Neither are any of the people I listed above.

[Dr. Arch]

Really hoping today's new cases number is a start of a trend and not an anomaly.

(??) The week over week increase last Tuesday was 8%. This Tuesday, it's 14%. Not exactly good news...

[Darthpi – Anti-Florida Activist]

Really hoping today's new cases number is a start of a trend and not an anomaly.

(??) The week over week increase last Tuesday was 8%. This Tuesday, it's 14%. Not exactly good news...

Last Tuesday was a low percentage change because two weeks ago there had been an unusually bad Tuesday, I think because of a backlog that got reported.

Either way it will be hard to know if it's a trend until we get the rest of this week's data in.

[Suburbia]

If America sadly reaches 400,000 deaths by December 25, we should not lockdown.

A lockdown during winter months? In gray and cold areas like the Midwest and Appalachia?

Suicide rates and opoid rates will spike.

So sad

This will increase Hawleyism and destroy Thatcherism-Reaganism.

[Darthpi – Anti-Florida Activist]

If America sadly reaches 400,000 deaths by December 25, we should not lockdown.

A lockdown during winter months? In gray and cold areas like the Midwest and Appalachia?

Suicide rates and opoid rates will spike.

So sad

This will increase Hawleyism and destroy Thatcherism-Reaganism.

You know what else increases depression, and hence addiction and suicide rates? Seeing your family members die from a pandemic.

[Suburbia]

If America sadly reaches 400,000 deaths by December 25, we should not lockdown.

A lockdown during winter months? In gray and cold areas like the Midwest and Appalachia?

Suicide rates and opoid rates will spike.

So sad

This will increase Hawleyism and destroy Thatcherism-Reaganism.

You know what else increases depression, and hence addiction and suicide rates? Seeing your family members die from a pandemic.

Yes, that is true. But we cannot lockdown. The economy needs to stimulate. People are still spending, whatever they have. Dunkin Donuts is still open, the bagel shop in my town is still open.

We cannot lockdown---no, no, no. It'd be a disaster.

[Darthpi – Anti-Florida Activist]

If America sadly reaches 400,000 deaths by December 25, we should not lockdown.

A lockdown during winter months? In gray and cold areas like the Midwest and Appalachia?

Suicide rates and opoid rates will spike.

So sad

This will increase Hawleyism and destroy Thatcherism-Reaganism.

You know what else increases depression, and hence addiction and suicide rates? Seeing your family members die from a pandemic.

Yes, that is true. But we cannot lockdown. The economy needs to stimulate. People are still spending, whatever they have. Dunkin Donuts is still open, the bagel shop in my town is still open.

We cannot lockdown---no, no, no. It'd be a disaster.

I don't know that we necessarily need as severe a lockdown as we had in the spring - though it may be needed at the state level in some places where things are the most egregiously out of control - given that we have better mask wearing and contact tracing than we had then. But there do at least need to be closures for the most high-risk activities: bars, indoor dining, indoor entertainment, things like that.

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

If America sadly reaches 400,000 deaths by December 25, we should not lockdown.

A lockdown during winter months? In gray and cold areas like the Midwest and Appalachia?

Suicide rates and opoid rates will spike.

So sad

This will increase Hawleyism and destroy Thatcherism-Reaganism.

You know what else increases depression, and hence addiction and suicide rates? Seeing your family members die from a pandemic.

Yes, that is true. But we cannot lockdown. The economy needs to stimulate. People are still spending, whatever they have. Dunkin Donuts is still open, the bagel shop in my town is still open.

We cannot lockdown---no, no, no. It'd be a disaster.

I don't know that we necessarily need as severe a lockdown as we had in the spring - though it may be needed at the state level in some places where things are the most egregiously out of control - given that we have better mask wearing and contact tracing than we had then. But there do at least need to be closures for the most high-risk activities: bars, indoor dining, indoor entertainment, things like that.

The one mistake we absolutely need to not make again is closing down non-essential retail. Not only are these small businesses just as capable of protecting people with reduced capacity as big box stores, but it amounted to a mass transfer of business from small businesses to large businesses for no actual purpose. The remaining stores open were more crowded as a result!

[Darthpi – Anti-Florida Activist]

If America sadly reaches 400,000 deaths by December 25, we should not lockdown.

A lockdown during winter months? In gray and cold areas like the Midwest and Appalachia?

Suicide rates and opoid rates will spike.

So sad

This will increase Hawleyism and destroy Thatcherism-Reaganism.

You know what else increases depression, and hence addiction and suicide rates? Seeing your family members die from a pandemic.

Yes, that is true. But we cannot lockdown. The economy needs to stimulate. People are still spending, whatever they have. Dunkin Donuts is still open, the bagel shop in my town is still open.

We cannot lockdown---no, no, no. It'd be a disaster.

I don't know that we necessarily need as severe a lockdown as we had in the spring - though it may be needed at the state level in some places where things are the most egregiously out of control - given that we have better mask wearing and contact tracing than we had then. But there do at least need to be closures for the most high-risk activities: bars, indoor dining, indoor entertainment, things like that.

The one mistake we absolutely need to not make again is closing down non-essential retail. Not only are these small businesses just as capable of protecting people with reduced capacity as big box stores, but it amounted to a mass transfer of business from small businesses to large businesses for no actual purpose. The remaining stores open were more crowded as a result!

Strongly agreed on retail. I do think there should be some capacity limits - particularly with Black Friday coming up - but as long as people are properly masked there isn't enough prolonged close contact for it to be particularly risky. I don't necessarily blame states for shutting down retail in the spring when the virus wasn't particularly well understood, and when the science hadn't yet made clear that surface transmission is actually a fairly minor risk, but now that we have better knowledge of what we're dealing with we should change our responses accordingly.

[Dr. Arch]

If America sadly reaches 400,000 deaths by December 25, we should not lockdown.

A lockdown during winter months? In gray and cold areas like the Midwest and Appalachia?

Suicide rates and opoid rates will spike.

So sad

This will increase Hawleyism and destroy Thatcherism-Reaganism.

You know what else increases depression, and hence addiction and suicide rates? Seeing your family members die from a pandemic.

Yes, that is true. But we cannot lockdown. The economy needs to stimulate. People are still spending, whatever they have. Dunkin Donuts is still open, the bagel shop in my town is still open.

We cannot lockdown---no, no, no. It'd be a disaster.

Money is the true religion of this country.

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Really hoping today's new cases number is a start of a trend and not an anomaly.

It's still the worst Tuesday.

[emailking]

Tuesdays are usually worse than Monday though and this was better so that's something I guess.

[jamestroll]

In no way are my views on lockdowns unreasonable. Especially when I support capacity limits in retail stores.

You all here just want lockdowns because yall are rich and privileged and this is a slippery slope of locking down every winter because of flu season.

[jamestroll]

But anyway I have come to conclusion that I am absolutely 100% right on this and this is a situation in which a mitigated and moderate position has to be taken.

And arguing with others over it and losing my emotions is not worth it because none of these measures are up to me. They are the prerogatives of individual governors and local officials.

I am happy that Governor Northam has essentially tightened restrictions to how I want them and Virginia already has a [relatively] low rate of infection spread so the state will continue to be manageable.

[Holmes]

I'm not sure if "I'm 100% right and you're all privileged and rich brats" is a strong concluding argument.

[Joe Biden 2024]

The U.S. death toll has now reached 250,000.

[jamestroll]

I'm not sure if "I'm 100% right and you're all privileged and rich brats" is a strong concluding argument.

What I stated is literally true.

I just feel like the people here who support stringent lockdowns have like no income to lose or aren't in any danger of evictions, etc. I am not in any danger of that either if there was a stringent shut down. But you can scream 100,000 times that there should be a stimulus. But .. there is not a stimulus right now.. so we have to focus on mitigation measures rather than stringent lockdowns.

Why is the anger directed towards me when until recently, I supported greater mitigation measures than almost any Democratic governor? Throw the anger on your governors. Not me.

[jamestroll]

What if it took years to make a vaccine? We are damn lucky that we are within days of Pfizer being ready to seek emergency use authorization. But what if we had a pandemic that took 5 years to make a vaccine? Are we really going to be ing caged animals for 5 years?