SCOTUS overturns Roe megathread (pg 53 - confirmed)

[Brittain33]

Kavanaugh was protested while dining at a Morton’s Steakhouse in Washington D.C.

Justices seem unhappy that they’re being exposed to the kind of vigorous free speech and dissent that Planned Parenthood had operated under for decades with their approval.

[Hindsight was 2020]

Kavanaugh was protested while dining at a Morton’s Steakhouse in Washington D.C.

Justices seem unhappy that they’re being exposed to the kind of vigorous free speech and dissent that Planned Parenthood had operated under for decades with their approval.

Look Kavanaugh is of the simple opinion that politics shouldn’t interfere with his personal life, granted his politics can interfere with yours but not vice versa

[Inmate Trump]

Kavanaugh was protested while dining at a Morton’s Steakhouse in Washington D.C.

Justices seem unhappy that they’re being exposed to the kind of vigorous free speech and dissent that Planned Parenthood had operated under for decades with their approval.

As long as the protests were not violent, there’s no problem with protesters protesting. Did he honestly expect this wouldn’t happen?

[GeorgiaModerate]

https://twitter.com/BradMossEsq/status/1545371209893908485

[GeorgiaModerate]

https://twitter.com/SawyerHackett/status/1545486190270455810

[American2020]

We've a left-wing Irish parlementarian named Mick Wallace who accuses Obama to break his promises about abortion.

https://twitter.com/wallacemick/status/1545285152527552512

It seems many far-left militants hate more democrats than they hate republicans.

[Hermit For Peace]

https://twitter.com/SawyerHackett/status/1545486190270455810

Tell me why people should vote the Republican Party? Do they enjoy being threatened and having their freedoms taken away? What is their I.Q. level?

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

What is their I.Q. level?

Hopefully they wouldn't be able to tell you, since people who know their own IQs off the tops of their heads are some of the most insufferable pricks in America.

[Progressive Pessimist]

What is their I.Q. level?

Hopefully they wouldn't be able to tell you, since people who know their own IQs off the tops of their heads are some of the most insufferable pricks in America.

Agreed. IQ is a completely asinine concept on top of that. All it really tells you about somebody is how good they are at taking an IQ test. It has no real meaning or practicality.

[GeorgiaModerate]

https://twitter.com/DomDiFurio/status/1545578712732688386

[Dr. Arch]

Here's to pregnant women beginning to claim additional dependents on tax returns. You can't have it both ways, indeed.

[Person Man]

https://twitter.com/DomDiFurio/status/1545578712732688386

So now 17 year olds can vote and 20 year olds drink?

[Skill and Chance]

https://twitter.com/DomDiFurio/status/1545578712732688386

So now 17 year olds can vote and 20 year olds drink?

Those are both tied to an adult being a specific age, so I don't see how a pregnancy would be relevant.

A more interesting question would be deportation of a pregnant woman, but that probably wouldn't come up unless fetal personhood was recognized at the federal level.

[Hermit For Peace]

Good for her. And guaranteed there's more creative thinking to come.

[HisGrace]

Not been on the forum for a while so this may have been discussed but what do you guys think of the idea to nuke the filibuster and legalize abortion nationwide?

I guess it's kind of moot because the SC would almost surely strike that down, but that seems like a dangerous road to go down because you're setting up Republicans to not just repeal it when they get in power again but to use that precedent to ban abortion in all 50 states in Congress. As it stands it's going to be legal in the overwhelming majority of the country, especially going by population.

[jojoju1998]

Oh boy, this is a legal mess.

[Skill and Chance]

Not been on the forum for a while so this may have been discussed but what do you guys think of the idea to nuke the filibuster and legalize abortion nationwide?

I guess it's kind of moot because the SC would almost surely strike that down, but that seems like a dangerous road to go down because you're setting up Republicans to not just repeal it when they get in power again but to use that precedent to ban abortion in all 50 states in Congress. As it stands it's going to be legal in the overwhelming majority of the country, especially going by population.

It can only hurt the pro-choice side.  Either SCOTUS rules that there is no federal issue and most of the red state abortion bans are locked in for the century or SCOTUS allows it but then it flip-flops between legal nationwide and banned nationwide every 4-8 years if the filibuster is gone.  It only makes sense for either side to pursue federal legislation if there is a 60+ vote bipartisan deal to be had. 

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Not been on the forum for a while so this may have been discussed but what do you guys think of the idea to nuke the filibuster and legalize abortion nationwide?

I guess it's kind of moot because the SC would almost surely strike that down, but that seems like a dangerous road to go down because you're setting up Republicans to not just repeal it when they get in power again but to use that precedent to ban abortion in all 50 states in Congress. As it stands it's going to be legal in the overwhelming majority of the country, especially going by population.

It can only hurt the pro-choice side.  Either SCOTUS rules that there is no federal issue and most of the red state abortion bans are locked in for the century or SCOTUS allows it but then it flip-flops between legal nationwide and banned nationwide every 4-8 years if the filibuster is gone.It only makes sense for either side to pursue federal legislation if there is a 60+ vote bipartisan deal to be had.

With all due respect, not only is your overall conclusion wrong here, but the bolded part is simply not grounded in anything resembling reality and completely ignores almost every major political lesson of the last decade.

[Skill and Chance]

Not been on the forum for a while so this may have been discussed but what do you guys think of the idea to nuke the filibuster and legalize abortion nationwide?

I guess it's kind of moot because the SC would almost surely strike that down, but that seems like a dangerous road to go down because you're setting up Republicans to not just repeal it when they get in power again but to use that precedent to ban abortion in all 50 states in Congress. As it stands it's going to be legal in the overwhelming majority of the country, especially going by population.

It can only hurt the pro-choice side.  Either SCOTUS rules that there is no federal issue and most of the red state abortion bans are locked in for the century or SCOTUS allows it but then it flip-flops between legal nationwide and banned nationwide every 4-8 years if the filibuster is gone.It only makes sense for either side to pursue federal legislation if there is a 60+ vote bipartisan deal to be had.

With all due respect, not only is your overall conclusion wrong here, but the bolded part is simply not grounded in anything resembling reality and completely ignores almost every major political lesson of the last decade.

If federal abortion policy can be set with only 50 senate votes or even worse, by executive order, it will flip-flip between banned and legalized every time the opposite party takes office.  We see this with the Mexico City Policy, which has been immediately repealed by every Democratic president and then immediately reinstated by every Republican president since Reagan.

[Pericles]

I'm pretty sure they say that abortion laws are designed to protect 'potential life' so they get around this problem, and the Supreme Court did not touch the idea of fetal personhood. This would be a problem for states that use that method to ban abortions though.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Not been on the forum for a while so this may have been discussed but what do you guys think of the idea to nuke the filibuster and legalize abortion nationwide?

I guess it's kind of moot because the SC would almost surely strike that down, but that seems like a dangerous road to go down because you're setting up Republicans to not just repeal it when they get in power again but to use that precedent to ban abortion in all 50 states in Congress. As it stands it's going to be legal in the overwhelming majority of the country, especially going by population.

It can only hurt the pro-choice side.  Either SCOTUS rules that there is no federal issue and most of the red state abortion bans are locked in for the century or SCOTUS allows it but then it flip-flops between legal nationwide and banned nationwide every 4-8 years if the filibuster is gone.It only makes sense for either side to pursue federal legislation if there is a 60+ vote bipartisan deal to be had.

With all due respect, not only is your overall conclusion wrong here, but the bolded part is simply not grounded in anything resembling reality and completely ignores almost every major political lesson of the last decade.

If federal abortion policy can be set with only 50 senate votes or even worse, by executive order, it will flip-flip between banned and legalized every time the opposite party takes office.  We see this with the Mexico City Policy, which has been immediately repealed by every Democratic president and then immediately reinstated by every Republican president since Reagan.

Elections have consequences; that’s kind of the idea. 

[Person Man]

https://twitter.com/DomDiFurio/status/1545578712732688386

So now 17 year olds can vote and 20 year olds drink?

Those are both tied to an adult being a specific age, so I don't see how a pregnancy would be relevant.

A more interesting question would be deportation of a pregnant woman, but that probably wouldn't come up unless fetal personhood was recognized at the federal level.

I mean, you will now be born at 1 instead of 0.

[Hermit For Peace]

Oh boy, this is a legal mess.

Doesn't appear that the anti-abortion camp thought this thing through. They just got all emotional and couldn't see anything but "killing babies."

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

Oh boy, this is a legal mess.

Doesn't appear that the anti-abortion camp thought this thing through. They just got all emotional and couldn't see anything but "killing babies."

Let's be clear, it was never about "killing babies". It was always about punishing and controlling women.

[Hermit For Peace]

Oh boy, this is a legal mess.

Doesn't appear that the anti-abortion camp thought this thing through. They just got all emotional and couldn't see anything but "killing babies."

Let's be clear, it was never about "killing babies". It was always about punishing and controlling women.

That may be the underlying theme in all this, but I think there are also other reasons for people being so vociferous about being against abortion. Many of them think they are following God's will, or Jesus' will, and many of them have the fear of God in their hearts, that if they don't try to save all unborn children from death it will reflect badly on their chances of getting into heaven. I don't really know what is in the hearts of those who want to save all the unborn fetuses.

But it still appears that they have not thought through the ramifications of their beliefs and how those beliefs affect real people in real life situations all over the country.