SCOTUS overturns Roe megathread (pg 53 - confirmed)

[Person Man]

https://twitter.com/DomDiFurio/status/1545578712732688386

So now 17 year olds can vote and 20 year olds drink?

Those are both tied to an adult being a specific age, so I don't see how a pregnancy would be relevant.

A more interesting question would be deportation of a pregnant woman, but that probably wouldn't come up unless fetal personhood was recognized at the federal level.

I mean, you will now be born at 1 instead of 0.

[Hermit For Peace]

Oh boy, this is a legal mess.

Doesn't appear that the anti-abortion camp thought this thing through. They just got all emotional and couldn't see anything but "killing babies."

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

Oh boy, this is a legal mess.

Doesn't appear that the anti-abortion camp thought this thing through. They just got all emotional and couldn't see anything but "killing babies."

Let's be clear, it was never about "killing babies". It was always about punishing and controlling women.

[Hermit For Peace]

Oh boy, this is a legal mess.

Doesn't appear that the anti-abortion camp thought this thing through. They just got all emotional and couldn't see anything but "killing babies."

Let's be clear, it was never about "killing babies". It was always about punishing and controlling women.

That may be the underlying theme in all this, but I think there are also other reasons for people being so vociferous about being against abortion. Many of them think they are following God's will, or Jesus' will, and many of them have the fear of God in their hearts, that if they don't try to save all unborn children from death it will reflect badly on their chances of getting into heaven. I don't really know what is in the hearts of those who want to save all the unborn fetuses.

But it still appears that they have not thought through the ramifications of their beliefs and how those beliefs affect real people in real life situations all over the country.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Abortion is an issue but in a Pandemic people stopped having that many kids it's been alternating between it's peak in 1980 3 to 1=5 kids and many kids are already born in a previous marriage like step children, it's an issue but there are other issue voters care about like inflation which have inflatable rent prices they gave all that Pandemic monies out for rental assistance especially to single moms with kids no monies for Section 8 vouchers unless you are an immigrant or single mom with kids, but there is Senior Housing for 55 and up but sometimes it's a wait-list but no so much as the other non Apartments.

I found out while living in Cali it's a waste of time to apply for subsidy Housing because there are too many immigrants that get first priority over Homeless over low income people.

We are at 30T dollar deficits that'sand continue to give monies to Ukraine and Border Security of course they had to cut stimulus and Pandemic rental assistance

There are some I read on the internet that regret voting for Biden number 1 Tara Reade allegations came a mnth after the D primary was over and number two we will never go back to Pre Pandemic norms because we are an immigrant country not just Mexico but China and Biden is using the same vaccine that Yrp administration used, if Trump gets reelected we still will have Covid

Alot of discontent with Biden is that Voters act like he is a magician and cure Covid but he isnt

This thread is going on and on, I have no gripe about users posting but in a Pandemic it created income inequality not wealthy people, most of the wealth, it's expensive to have kids, the athletes like on MLB say that Baseball players have 4 kids,  way more than 1.5/3 kids average people have,  are with Athletes, Oprah, Wayne Newton and Oprah, Wayne Newton, Oprah and Trump have 2.2B dollars and it's expensive to have kids anyways so most people unless they are in a monogamous relationship are abstaining from sex period, so no need for Abortion and Kavanaugh affirmed Planned Parenthood anyways 6/3 contraception is not imperil, Justice Thomas was in the Minority in Planned Parenthood

You know alot of couples have options other than Abortion of raising kids it's called adoption, step Children too

Unlike wealthy people adoption and step children are not newborns they are adolescent children already made children  this isn't 1993 where it's still cheap to have kids you should be making 40K a yr a Teacher's salary not a minimum wage worker

[Person Man]

Oh boy, this is a legal mess.

Doesn't appear that the anti-abortion camp thought this thing through. They just got all emotional and couldn't see anything but "killing babies."

Let's be clear, it was never about "killing babies". It was always about punishing and controlling women.

If they were ever going to overturn Roe, that was their only chance. Otherwise, the religious right would have nothing.

[Hermit For Peace]

Oh boy, this is a legal mess.

Doesn't appear that the anti-abortion camp thought this thing through. They just got all emotional and couldn't see anything but "killing babies."

Let's be clear, it was never about "killing babies". It was always about punishing and controlling women.

If they were ever going to overturn Roe, that was their only chance. Otherwise, the religious right would have nothing.

The religious right still has nothing substantial to offer that has any basis in modern day reality, that can last the test of time. Women will continue having abortions no matter what the radical religious ones want. Trying to impose their will upon the entire population of this country, their religious beliefs, their fear of God, their desire to control the female body and whatever else they desire to control, these types of things are what will do them in, in the long run. 

[fhtagn]

Oh boy, this is a legal mess.

Doesn't appear that the anti-abortion camp thought this thing through. They just got all emotional and couldn't see anything but "killing babies."

Let's be clear, it was never about "killing babies". It was always about punishing and controlling women.

If they were ever going to overturn Roe, that was their only chance. Otherwise, the religious right would have nothing.

The religious right still has nothing substantial to offer that has any basis in modern day reality, that can last the test of time. Women will continue having abortions no matter what the radical religious ones want. Trying to impose their will upon the entire population of this country, their religious beliefs, their fear of God, their desire to control the female body and whatever else they desire to control, these types of things are what will do them in, in the long run.  

Most of human history in the last couple thousand years would disagree.

[fhtagn]

Oh boy, this is a legal mess.

Doesn't appear that the anti-abortion camp thought this thing through. They just got all emotional and couldn't see anything but "killing babies."

Let's be clear, it was never about "killing babies". It was always about punishing and controlling women.

[Hermit For Peace]

Oh boy, this is a legal mess.

Doesn't appear that the anti-abortion camp thought this thing through. They just got all emotional and couldn't see anything but "killing babies."

Let's be clear, it was never about "killing babies". It was always about punishing and controlling women.

If they were ever going to overturn Roe, that was their only chance. Otherwise, the religious right would have nothing.

The religious right still has nothing substantial to offer that has any basis in modern day reality, that can last the test of time. Women will continue having abortions no matter what the radical religious ones want. Trying to impose their will upon the entire population of this country, their religious beliefs, their fear of God, their desire to control the female body and whatever else they desire to control, these types of things are what will do them in, in the long run.  

Most of human history in the last couple thousand years would disagree.

What part of "modern day reality" don't you understand? That's what I'm talking about.

[fhtagn]

Oh boy, this is a legal mess.

Doesn't appear that the anti-abortion camp thought this thing through. They just got all emotional and couldn't see anything but "killing babies."

Let's be clear, it was never about "killing babies". It was always about punishing and controlling women.

If they were ever going to overturn Roe, that was their only chance. Otherwise, the religious right would have nothing.

The religious right still has nothing substantial to offer that has any basis in modern day reality, that can last the test of time. Women will continue having abortions no matter what the radical religious ones want. Trying to impose their will upon the entire population of this country, their religious beliefs, their fear of God, their desire to control the female body and whatever else they desire to control, these types of things are what will do them in, in the long run.  

Most of human history in the last couple thousand years would disagree.

What part of "modern day reality" don't you understand? That's what I'm talking about.

"Modern day reality" seems to never be consistent in what it wants. Most sane people would happily pick the tried and proven method in any other scenario vs constantly moving ridiculous goalposts if it wasn't for the emotional whims of people who are pretending they are somehow "oppressed" today.

[Torie]

Oh boy, this is a legal mess.

Doesn't appear that the anti-abortion camp thought this thing through. They just got all emotional and couldn't see anything but "killing babies."

Let's be clear, it was never about "killing babies". It was always about punishing and controlling women.

If they were ever going to overturn Roe, that was their only chance. Otherwise, the religious right would have nothing.

The religious right still has nothing substantial to offer that has any basis in modern day reality, that can last the test of time. Women will continue having abortions no matter what the radical religious ones want. Trying to impose their will upon the entire population of this country, their religious beliefs, their fear of God, their desire to control the female body and whatever else they desire to control, these types of things are what will do them in, in the long run.  

Most of human history in the last couple thousand years would disagree.

What part of "modern day reality" don't you understand? That's what I'm talking about.

"Modern day reality" seems to never be consistent in what it wants. Most sane people would happily pick the tried and proven method in any other scenario vs constantly moving ridiculous goalposts if it wasn't for the emotional whims of people who are pretending they are somehow "oppressed" today.

What percentage of Americans do you consider "sane?" A bonus question is what percentage of Atlasians do you consider sane.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Survey Monkey polls have GCB lead plus nine R, it's probably exaggerated but as I have said before Inflation, gas prices also gonna factor into the Election not just Abortions it's  a 303 map anyways but there is a 1/3rd of a chance that it can be a nightmare scenario like the Survey monkey polls show

MSNBC has nothing on the news except for Abortion and Insurrectionists and they stay on insurrection since Jan 2021 and still no charges

What does the Constitution say about trials the accused has the right to a Speedy Trial it's been 15 mnths, Trump is guilty but this isn't impeachment, the accused is supposed to get a speedy trial

[Person Man]

Oh boy, this is a legal mess.

Doesn't appear that the anti-abortion camp thought this thing through. They just got all emotional and couldn't see anything but "killing babies."

Let's be clear, it was never about "killing babies". It was always about punishing and controlling women.

If they were ever going to overturn Roe, that was their only chance. Otherwise, the religious right would have nothing.

The religious right still has nothing substantial to offer that has any basis in modern day reality, that can last the test of time. Women will continue having abortions no matter what the radical religious ones want. Trying to impose their will upon the entire population of this country, their religious beliefs, their fear of God, their desire to control the female body and whatever else they desire to control, these types of things are what will do them in, in the long run.  

Most of human history in the last couple thousand years would disagree.

What part of "modern day reality" don't you understand? That's what I'm talking about.

"Modern day reality" seems to never be consistent in what it wants. Most sane people would happily pick the tried and proven method in any other scenario vs constantly moving ridiculous goalposts if it wasn't for the emotional whims of people who are pretending they are somehow "oppressed" today.

What percentage of Americans do you consider "sane?" A bonus question is what percentage of Atlasians do you consider sane.

It would be interesting what someone who thinks of themselves as God’s messenger would say about this.

[Gass3268]

https://twitter.com/KatAMacfarlane/status/1546206196603953153?s=20&t=P9t0bKT...

[wesmoorenerd]

https://twitter.com/KatAMacfarlane/status/1546206196603953153?s=20&t=P9t0bKT...

Between this and refusals to prescribe life-saving medication for autoimmune diseases, I don't know how you can look at all of this and not think it's an attack on the health of any woman of child-bearing age.

[Person Man]

https://twitter.com/KatAMacfarlane/status/1546206196603953153?s=20&t=P9t0bKT...

Between this and refusals to prescribe life-saving medication for autoimmune diseases, I don't know how you can look at all of this and not think it's an attack on the health of any woman of child-bearing age.

Or any expecting parents. At this rate, it is very easy to imagine my fear mongering about being detained, questioned, and possibly arrested for having a problematic pregnancy might not be too far fetched.

There’s a reason why almost every single country that does things like this are very poor.

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

Not been on the forum for a while so this may have been discussed but what do you guys think of the idea to nuke the filibuster and legalize abortion nationwide?

I guess it's kind of moot because the SC would almost surely strike that down, but that seems like a dangerous road to go down because you're setting up Republicans to not just repeal it when they get in power again but to use that precedent to ban abortion in all 50 states in Congress. As it stands it's going to be legal in the overwhelming majority of the country, especially going by population.

I don't think there is any way the SC would strike down a federal law legalizing abortion rights. The opinion issued merely stated there is no right to an abortion in the constitution. It did not rule that abortion must be illegal nationwide. It turned the decision back to elected representatives.

The only dangerous thing about killing the filibuster to pass federal legislation into law is that every 4-8 years, abortion is banned and then re-legalized, etc. There is also the possibility that the GOP will simply kill the filibuster and pass a nationwide ban if they win the presidency in 2024. I wouldn't put it passed them.

It will depend on whether the party begins to lose elections or bleeds women voters tremendously as to how bold and restrictive they want to get.

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

https://twitter.com/KatAMacfarlane/status/1546206196603953153?s=20&t=P9t0bKT...

Between this and refusals to prescribe life-saving medication for autoimmune diseases, I don't know how you can look at all of this and not think it's an attack on the health of any woman of child-bearing age.

Or any expecting parents. At this rate, it is very easy to imagine my fear mongering about being detained, questioned, and possibly arrested for having a problematic pregnancy might not be too far fetched.

There’s a reason why almost every single country that does things like this are very poor.

That's where this gets messy because it will come down to how zealous a DA is in a particular district. Some DAs will refuse to enforce any sort of prosecution of women while you will find some that will because they view women as chattel and nothing more.

For now, it sounds as if prosecuting women who receive abortions out of state is off the table, but we are in the beginning innings here. As with the anti-choice movement, it is all about baby steps. Chip away at these rights one step at a time.

After all, if life begins at conception, why even make exceptions for rape, incest, or life of the mother? A fetus is a life just like anyone on this planet, right?

[Person Man]

https://twitter.com/KatAMacfarlane/status/1546206196603953153?s=20&t=P9t0bKT...

Between this and refusals to prescribe life-saving medication for autoimmune diseases, I don't know how you can look at all of this and not think it's an attack on the health of any woman of child-bearing age.

Or any expecting parents. At this rate, it is very easy to imagine my fear mongering about being detained, questioned, and possibly arrested for having a problematic pregnancy might not be too far fetched.

There’s a reason why almost every single country that does things like this are very poor.

That's where this gets messy because it will come down to how zealous a DA is in a particular district. Some DAs will refuse to enforce any sort of prosecution of women while you will find some that will because they view women as chattel and nothing more.

For now, it sounds as if prosecuting women who receive abortions out of state is off the table, but we are in the beginning innings here. As with the anti-choice movement, it is all about baby steps. Chip away at these rights one step at a time.

After all, if life begins at conception, why even make exceptions for rape, incest, or life of the mother? A fetus is a life just like anyone on this planet, right?

And “life of the mother” or “self defense” isn’t really on the table because fetuses like agency. An person without agency. Can you imagine that? I imagine if you wanted to get into weird hypotheticals, where, by they way, we already are, an anti-choicer could ask you what Mr. Burns should  have done when Maggie shot him.

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

https://twitter.com/KatAMacfarlane/status/1546206196603953153?s=20&t=P9t0bKT...

Between this and refusals to prescribe life-saving medication for autoimmune diseases, I don't know how you can look at all of this and not think it's an attack on the health of any woman of child-bearing age.

Or any expecting parents. At this rate, it is very easy to imagine my fear mongering about being detained, questioned, and possibly arrested for having a problematic pregnancy might not be too far fetched.

There’s a reason why almost every single country that does things like this are very poor.

That's where this gets messy because it will come down to how zealous a DA is in a particular district. Some DAs will refuse to enforce any sort of prosecution of women while you will find some that will because they view women as chattel and nothing more.

For now, it sounds as if prosecuting women who receive abortions out of state is off the table, but we are in the beginning innings here. As with the anti-choice movement, it is all about baby steps. Chip away at these rights one step at a time.

After all, if life begins at conception, why even make exceptions for rape, incest, or life of the mother? A fetus is a life just like anyone on this planet, right?

And “life of the mother” or “self defense” isn’t really on the table because fetuses like agency. An person without agency. Can you imagine that? I imagine if you wanted to get into weird hypotheticals, where, by they way, we already are, an anti-choicer could ask you what Mr. Burns should  have done when Maggie shot him.

I suppose you could use self defense if the fetus, if left alone, would kill the woman, but one could argue agency as well. I think rape or incest exceptions are likely to be gone first as anti-choicers continue to push for zero abortions nationwide. After all, any pregnancy is a "blessing from God" and you cannot take away the humans right of the fetus simply because it was formed through rape or incest.

See where this is going? Not somewhere good.

[Badger]

Oh boy, this is a legal mess.

Doesn't appear that the anti-abortion camp thought this thing through. They just got all emotional and couldn't see anything but "killing babies."

Let's be clear, it was never about "killing babies". It was always about punishing and controlling women.

If they were ever going to overturn Roe, that was their only chance. Otherwise, the religious right would have nothing.

The religious right still has nothing substantial to offer that has any basis in modern day reality, that can last the test of time. Women will continue having abortions no matter what the radical religious ones want. Trying to impose their will upon the entire population of this country, their religious beliefs, their fear of God, their desire to control the female body and whatever else they desire to control, these types of things are what will do them in, in the long run.  

Most of human history in the last couple thousand years would disagree.

Religious Right /=/ Religion. But thanks for letting the mask slip yet again.

[Badger]

https://twitter.com/KatAMacfarlane/status/1546206196603953153?s=20&t=P9t0bKT...

Between this and refusals to prescribe life-saving medication for autoimmune diseases, I don't know how you can look at all of this and not think it's an attack on the health of any woman of child-bearing age.

No, pro-life individuals would consider this needing to break a few eggs to make an omelette.

[7,052,770]

So the media lied again

That's a bit of a leap, isn't it?

[OSR stands with Israel]

So the media lied again

That's a bit of a leap, isn't it?

No it isn’t , the mainstream media is largely Democratic Party hacks at this point who look to make the GOP look as bad as possible.


Trump was right when he called them fake news except the point that right wing cable outlets like Fox are fake too