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« Reply #2150 on: July 03, 2022, 06:58:51 AM »


“10 year olds need to have their rapist child because libs on Twitter are mean” is really something
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« Reply #2151 on: July 03, 2022, 07:02:41 AM »

Just bringing this up for no reason in particular.

The left just doesn’t understand the right at all.

Do you deny that this sort of thing is going to happen in states that ban abortion?
Yes
Fool.

Any particular reason why, or is this just part of your general childlike myopia?
There aren’t gonna be checks by cops just cause someone is pregnant. Saying  so is absolutely ridiculous

Teaching moment.
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« Reply #2152 on: July 03, 2022, 07:08:51 AM »

Where's our evangelical posters to defend this Ohio garbage? Oh wait. They must be protesting in support of universal healthcare and free school lunch the pro-lifers they are.

I'd say that what someone did to the girl is awful and indefensible.  With that said, taking an innocent life will not right the wrong of what was done.  That baby didn't do anything wrong; how they were conceived was not their fault.  Killing him or her would be like killing an innocent bystander to a crime.

So you support a child being forced to bear a child.

I think that's the greater evil.

The difference is that you don't believe that abortion is literally murder.  If you do believe that it's literally murder (like I do), then actively killing someone is the far worse action.

Your personal belief does not (or should not) have force of law in a democracy. Personal religious beliefs are law in a theocracy, which is why sooner later, Roe will be reinstated, as the 6 justices on SCOTUS did not base their decision on the law, but their personal religious and political beliefs.

If I were the justice that wrote the opinion overturning Dobbs, I would say that it was in error because of the ethical conflicts of interests that came up and were not addressed.
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« Reply #2153 on: July 03, 2022, 07:30:25 AM »

In OH Jean Schmidt is going after contraceptive and JD Vance said he wants to ban Porn Vance was already losing before Roe, I think OH will give D's 53)47 SENATE of course without GA it's 52/48 AOC already endorsed Barnes, Fetterman and Ryan

Some races it's gonna give the D's an edge and some races some gonna say Inflation is the top priority
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« Reply #2154 on: July 03, 2022, 07:48:06 AM »

Jokes are no fun when people get snotty.  Squinting


Compared to some of the other jokes I've read on the forum in the past (e.g. the "Biden orders invasion of Canada" on 4/1), the dog one was good because Mississippi probably would find a way to try such a thing.
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« Reply #2155 on: July 03, 2022, 10:10:38 AM »

Where's our evangelical posters to defend this Ohio garbage? Oh wait. They must be protesting in support of universal healthcare and free school lunch the pro-lifers they are.

I'd say that what someone did to the girl is awful and indefensible.  With that said, taking an innocent life will not right the wrong of what was done.  That baby didn't do anything wrong; how they were conceived was not their fault.  Killing him or her would be like killing an innocent bystander to a crime.

Just to be clear: you want this 10-year-old girl to carry an incestuous rapist's baby to term, regardless of the high risk to both herself and the baby (with a mother that young) and the high likelihood of emotional and physical damage?

Would you adopt that baby?

Please answer yes or no to all questions.

Still waiting for the answers...
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« Reply #2156 on: July 03, 2022, 10:18:53 AM »


“10 year olds need to have their rapist child because libs on Twitter are mean” is really something

Saudi Arabia and most Muslim nations are more liberal on abortion than the GOP.

Saudi Arabia’s abortion laws are more forgiving than Alabama’s (2019)
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Similarly, abortion laws in other Muslim-majority nations allow pregnancies to be terminated in cases of rape, incest, fetal impairment, or risk to a woman’s mental or physical health. These exemptions to abortion bans exist in Kuwait, Jordan, Qatar, Bahrain, and the United Arab Emirates.
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« Reply #2157 on: July 03, 2022, 10:25:09 AM »


“10 year olds need to have their rapist child because libs on Twitter are mean” is really something

We are seeing every day just how much of the right is centered around resentment, identity politics and owning the libs who challenge that.

If you're a conservative under 40, the main reason you want the death penalty for abortion is because it will make the libs cry harder.
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« Reply #2158 on: July 03, 2022, 10:42:29 AM »

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« Reply #2159 on: July 03, 2022, 11:02:54 AM »


“10 year olds need to have their rapist child because libs on Twitter are mean” is really something

We are seeing every day just how much of the right is centered around resentment, identity politics and owning the libs who challenge that.

If you're a conservative under 40, the main reason you want the death penalty for abortion is because it will make the libs cry harder.

Thing is, you aren't even joking, and it's this brutalization and radicalization of the right that worries me the most.
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« Reply #2160 on: July 03, 2022, 12:15:02 PM »

So Republicans are super cool with forcing a ten year old child to give birth to her rapist's baby, but heaven forbid she be allowed at drag queen story time because that might traumatize her.
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« Reply #2161 on: July 03, 2022, 03:20:02 PM »


“10 year olds need to have their rapist child because libs on Twitter are mean” is really something

We are seeing every day just how much of the right is centered around resentment, identity politics and owning the libs who challenge that.

If you're a conservative under 40, the main reason you want the death penalty for abortion is because it will make the libs cry harder.

This is Manifest Destiny 2.0.
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« Reply #2162 on: July 03, 2022, 05:42:52 PM »

I can't wait for the usual nutjobs to defend this monstrosity.


Joke or not, the fact that this is so believable is a really depressing sentiment as to what our country has become.

So Republicans are super cool with forcing a ten year old child to give birth to her rapist's baby, but heaven forbid she be allowed at drag queen story time because that might traumatize her.

Republicans, and American parents by extension, are really in denial about what kids can handle or even what they can do, learn, and stumble upon on their own. My mom works in a middle school and the things she hears out of these kids would make the Marquis De Sade blush. One kid got in trouble for watching porn on his phone during class. It isn't even just the internet. When my ancient ass was in middle school I heard the same kind of perverted stuff out of my peers. It's normal and always has been.

I would laugh in the face of any Republican who thinks they were such a saint when they were elementary or middle school students. I thought the right was supposed to be against the "pussification" of our youth. Kids can take learning that another kid, or their teacher, is gay, trans; or reading a book about something related to the subject.
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« Reply #2163 on: July 03, 2022, 05:45:26 PM »

I can't wait for the usual nutjobs to defend this monstrosity.


Joke or not, the fact that this is so believable is a really depressing sentiment as to what our country has become.

So Republicans are super cool with forcing a ten year old child to give birth to her rapist's baby, but heaven forbid she be allowed at drag queen story time because that might traumatize her.

Republicans, and American parents by extension, are really in denial about what kids can handle or even what they can do, learn, and stumble upon on their own. My mom works in a middle school and the things she hears out of these kids would make the Marquis De Sade blush. One kid got in trouble for watching porn on his phone during class. It isn't even just the internet. When my ancient ass was in middle school I heard the same kind of perverted stuff out of my peers. It's normal and always has been.

I would laugh in the face of any Republican who thinks they were such a saint when they were elementary or middle school students. I thought the right was supposed to be against the "pussification" of our youth. Kids can take learning that another kid, or their teacher, is gay, trans; or reading a book about something related to the subject.

What laws like this do is to simply create more distrust of authority and society in general.
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« Reply #2164 on: July 03, 2022, 06:03:31 PM »

I can't wait for the usual nutjobs to defend this monstrosity.


Joke or not, the fact that this is so believable is a really depressing sentiment as to what our country has become.

So Republicans are super cool with forcing a ten year old child to give birth to her rapist's baby, but heaven forbid she be allowed at drag queen story time because that might traumatize her.

Republicans, and American parents by extension, are really in denial about what kids can handle or even what they can do, learn, and stumble upon on their own. My mom works in a middle school and the things she hears out of these kids would make the Marquis De Sade blush. One kid got in trouble for watching porn on his phone during class. It isn't even just the internet. When my ancient ass was in middle school I heard the same kind of perverted stuff out of my peers. It's normal and always has been.

I would laugh in the face of any Republican who thinks they were such a saint when they were elementary or middle school students. I thought the right was supposed to be against the "pussification" of our youth. Kids can take learning that another kid, or their teacher, is gay, trans; or reading a book about something related to the subject.

What laws like this do is to simply create more distrust of authority and society in general.

For sure. The real end goal is destroying public schools.

But to parlay this back into the topic of abortion at hand, I think there is going to be a rude awakening for a lot of parents in Republican controlled states when their daughter ends up impregnated, with little recourse now.

Adolescents are going to have sex, you can't stop it, you can only try and get them to do it safely, but that bafflingly is never accepted by the pro-birth crowd. They think that drilling the concept of abstinence into the youth and then covering their ears and closing their eyes to how ineffective it is to think kids aren't going to act on natural impulses is the most practical means of preventing underage pregnancies (and therefore abortions) as well as STD's.
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« Reply #2165 on: July 03, 2022, 06:44:23 PM »
« Edited: July 03, 2022, 06:49:00 PM by Mr.Barkari Sellers »

Biden now leads Trump and DeSantis, 46/43 in the You Gov, the Abortion issue is turning things around for D's Biden is still underwater but he isn't upside down before, but the War has been a drag but we are back in the game

The Rassy polls showing Rs up 9 pts are Trash

Rs need to stop criticizing Biden you lost to him three times already 2008/12/20 when are you gonna learn to stop underestimating him and overestimating Trump, Trump and DeSantis aren't the second coming of Ronald Reagan, Trump is the second coming of Richard Nixon or Herbert C Hoover
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« Reply #2166 on: July 04, 2022, 10:39:05 AM »

Where's our evangelical posters to defend this Ohio garbage? Oh wait. They must be protesting in support of universal healthcare and free school lunch the pro-lifers they are.

I'd say that what someone did to the girl is awful and indefensible.  With that said, taking an innocent life will not right the wrong of what was done.  That baby didn't do anything wrong; how they were conceived was not their fault.  Killing him or her would be like killing an innocent bystander to a crime.

Just to be clear: you want this 10-year-old girl to carry an incestuous rapist's baby to term, regardless of the high risk to both herself and the baby (with a mother that young) and the high likelihood of emotional and physical damage?

Would you adopt that baby?

Please answer yes or no to all questions.

Still waiting for the answers...

Still waiting...
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« Reply #2167 on: July 04, 2022, 10:45:34 AM »

Where's our evangelical posters to defend this Ohio garbage? Oh wait. They must be protesting in support of universal healthcare and free school lunch the pro-lifers they are.

I'd say that what someone did to the girl is awful and indefensible.  With that said, taking an innocent life will not right the wrong of what was done.  That baby didn't do anything wrong; how they were conceived was not their fault.  Killing him or her would be like killing an innocent bystander to a crime.

Just to be clear: you want this 10-year-old girl to carry an incestuous rapist's baby to term, regardless of the high risk to both herself and the baby (with a mother that young) and the high likelihood of emotional and physical damage?

Would you adopt that baby?

Please answer yes or no to all questions.

Still waiting for the answers...

Still waiting...

My apologies.  I try to avoid getting into flamewar type threads.  But, yes, I believe that the baby in question deserves a chance to live.  Then, the mother definitely can put him or her up for adoption.  There are a myriad of ways that Christians can and do support pro-life ideals beyond just advocating for abortion to be illegal.  We do adopt at much higher rates than the general public and, often through tithing, directly support organizations that help these women.  If I ever feel that God is telling me personally (or me and my future wife) to adopt, then I'd definitely listen.
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« Reply #2168 on: July 04, 2022, 11:55:35 AM »

Where's our evangelical posters to defend this Ohio garbage? Oh wait. They must be protesting in support of universal healthcare and free school lunch the pro-lifers they are.

I'd say that what someone did to the girl is awful and indefensible.  With that said, taking an innocent life will not right the wrong of what was done.  That baby didn't do anything wrong; how they were conceived was not their fault.  Killing him or her would be like killing an innocent bystander to a crime.

Just to be clear: you want this 10-year-old girl to carry an incestuous rapist's baby to term, regardless of the high risk to both herself and the baby (with a mother that young) and the high likelihood of emotional and physical damage?

Would you adopt that baby?

Please answer yes or no to all questions.

Still waiting for the answers...

Still waiting...

My apologies.  I try to avoid getting into flamewar type threads.  But, yes, I believe that the baby in question deserves a chance to live.  Then, the mother definitely can put him or her up for adoption.  There are a myriad of ways that Christians can and do support pro-life ideals beyond just advocating for abortion to be illegal.  We do adopt at much higher rates than the general public and, often through tithing, directly support organizations that help these women.  If I ever feel that God is telling me personally (or me and my future wife) to adopt, then I'd definitely listen.

You people are beyond any help...
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« Reply #2169 on: July 04, 2022, 01:32:19 PM »
« Edited: July 04, 2022, 01:48:40 PM by hermit »

No 10 year old child of mine is going to carry a rapist's baby to term. Or a family member's baby (incest). Or any baby. 10 year old girls have just barely started menstruating. They don't even really understand what is happening to their body. I was 11 when I started menstruating and I thought I was dying. I saw blood on my underwear and I was scared.

Then you have the Radical Religious Right come into the picture and want the girl to have the baby as opposed to aborting it. At 10 years old, she is supposed to be a mother? You know who the burden of that eventuality will fall on. Grandma. And probably the State with food stamps and medical care. Not to mention the psychological care she'll need because of being raped. Or the baby will be given up for adoption. Any option chosen will have far reaching negative consequences for the little girl.

Luckily the Radical Religious Right is in the minority. Their asses should be booted out of any place of influence in politics that has in any way, an ability to determine the outcome of such a tragedy.

Is it really God's will to punish the innocent? Really? No. I don't believe in a wrathful God. My God gave us all free will. My God is a loving God. A forgiving God. God gave us the power to make our own choices, and then learn from the consequences. I find it hard to believe that God appointed a group of radical religious fanatics to rule the land with their outrageous beliefs.



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« Reply #2170 on: July 05, 2022, 12:57:38 AM »

Where's our evangelical posters to defend this Ohio garbage? Oh wait. They must be protesting in support of universal healthcare and free school lunch the pro-lifers they are.

I'd say that what someone did to the girl is awful and indefensible.  With that said, taking an innocent life will not right the wrong of what was done.  That baby didn't do anything wrong; how they were conceived was not their fault.  Killing him or her would be like killing an innocent bystander to a crime.

Just to be clear: you want this 10-year-old girl to carry an incestuous rapist's baby to term, regardless of the high risk to both herself and the baby (with a mother that young) and the high likelihood of emotional and physical damage?

Would you adopt that baby?

Please answer yes or no to all questions.

Still waiting for the answers...

Still waiting...

My apologies.  I try to avoid getting into flamewar type threads.  But, yes, I believe that the baby in question deserves a chance to live.  Then, the mother definitely can put him or her up for adoption.  There are a myriad of ways that Christians can and do support pro-life ideals beyond just advocating for abortion to be illegal.  We do adopt at much higher rates than the general public and, often through tithing, directly support organizations that help these women.  If I ever feel that God is telling me personally (or me and my future wife) to adopt, then I'd definitely listen.

My God I can't WAIT until every fascist dumbf*** republican senate candidate, gubernatorial candidate and every republican in a close House race is asked this question at their debates this fall.

Oz, Walker and Laxalt are F****D. Whichever idiot repubs end up nominating in AZ now has no chance to beat Mark Kelly. Johnson is now less than 50/50 to survive. NC is now tilt R at best. Time Ryan is an idiot if he doesn't viciously beat JD Vance over the head on this 10 year old rape victim from now until election day.

That's just the Senate. Think of the governor's races. Think of DeSantis trying to weasel his way out of this answer. DeWine will unfortunately still win but Nan Whaley will come way closer than she has any business doing. The three Ohio Supreme Court races just got politicized irrevocably around this issue. I know a bunch of apolitical Ohio women who are seething over this. "Three supreme court races this fall", I tell them. Three justices who support abortion rights, three who want to grant the state the power to force a pre-teen child to have her rapist's baby......
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« Reply #2171 on: July 05, 2022, 03:52:59 AM »

Where's our evangelical posters to defend this Ohio garbage? Oh wait. They must be protesting in support of universal healthcare and free school lunch the pro-lifers they are.

I'd say that what someone did to the girl is awful and indefensible.  With that said, taking an innocent life will not right the wrong of what was done.  That baby didn't do anything wrong; how they were conceived was not their fault.  Killing him or her would be like killing an innocent bystander to a crime.

Just to be clear: you want this 10-year-old girl to carry an incestuous rapist's baby to term, regardless of the high risk to both herself and the baby (with a mother that young) and the high likelihood of emotional and physical damage?

Would you adopt that baby?

Please answer yes or no to all questions.

Still waiting for the answers...

Still waiting...

My apologies.  I try to avoid getting into flamewar type threads.  But, yes, I believe that the baby in question deserves a chance to live.  Then, the mother definitely can put him or her up for adoption.  There are a myriad of ways that Christians can and do support pro-life ideals beyond just advocating for abortion to be illegal.  We do adopt at much higher rates than the general public and, often through tithing, directly support organizations that help these women.  If I ever feel that God is telling me personally (or me and my future wife) to adopt, then I'd definitely listen.

I’ll ask you a different question.

If you had a 10-year-old daughter who was raped and impregnated by her uncle (your wife’s brother, let’s say), would you force your daughter to carry that pregnancy?
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« Reply #2172 on: July 05, 2022, 04:38:50 AM »

Where's our evangelical posters to defend this Ohio garbage? Oh wait. They must be protesting in support of universal healthcare and free school lunch the pro-lifers they are.

I'd say that what someone did to the girl is awful and indefensible.  With that said, taking an innocent life will not right the wrong of what was done.  That baby didn't do anything wrong; how they were conceived was not their fault.  Killing him or her would be like killing an innocent bystander to a crime.

Just to be clear: you want this 10-year-old girl to carry an incestuous rapist's baby to term, regardless of the high risk to both herself and the baby (with a mother that young) and the high likelihood of emotional and physical damage?

Would you adopt that baby?

Please answer yes or no to all questions.

Still waiting for the answers...

Still waiting...

My apologies.  I try to avoid getting into flamewar type threads.  But, yes, I believe that the baby in question deserves a chance to live.  Then, the mother definitely can put him or her up for adoption.  There are a myriad of ways that Christians can and do support pro-life ideals beyond just advocating for abortion to be illegal.  We do adopt at much higher rates than the general public and, often through tithing, directly support organizations that help these women.  If I ever feel that God is telling me personally (or me and my future wife) to adopt, then I'd definitely listen.

I’ll ask you a different question.

If you had a 10-year-old daughter who was raped and impregnated by her uncle (your wife’s brother, let’s say), would you force your daughter to carry that pregnancy?


There is very little chance that a 10 yr old gets🤭 pregnant a female has to have their cycle 14 thru 45 and after 45  females can get pregnant but they start menopause aft er 35 until 55 and start losing their embryos that's why they want only embryos for vaccines for under 35 I have female. Family members
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« Reply #2173 on: July 05, 2022, 08:41:37 AM »

Where's our evangelical posters to defend this Ohio garbage? Oh wait. They must be protesting in support of universal healthcare and free school lunch the pro-lifers they are.

I'd say that what someone did to the girl is awful and indefensible.  With that said, taking an innocent life will not right the wrong of what was done.  That baby didn't do anything wrong; how they were conceived was not their fault.  Killing him or her would be like killing an innocent bystander to a crime.

Just to be clear: you want this 10-year-old girl to carry an incestuous rapist's baby to term, regardless of the high risk to both herself and the baby (with a mother that young) and the high likelihood of emotional and physical damage?

Would you adopt that baby?

Please answer yes or no to all questions.

Still waiting for the answers...

Still waiting...

My apologies.  I try to avoid getting into flamewar type threads.  But, yes, I believe that the baby in question deserves a chance to live.  Then, the mother definitely can put him or her up for adoption.  There are a myriad of ways that Christians can and do support pro-life ideals beyond just advocating for abortion to be illegal.  We do adopt at much higher rates than the general public and, often through tithing, directly support organizations that help these women.  If I ever feel that God is telling me personally (or me and my future wife) to adopt, then I'd definitely listen.

I’ll ask you a different question.

If you had a 10-year-old daughter who was raped and impregnated by her uncle (your wife’s brother, let’s say), would you force your daughter to carry that pregnancy?

Yes, that baby would still be precious.  My grandchild (in that case) should not have to die for the sins of his or her father.  Then, it would be a family decision of whether to raise the child or put it up for adoption.
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« Reply #2174 on: July 05, 2022, 09:04:30 AM »

I can't wait for the usual nutjobs to defend this monstrosity.


Joke or not, the fact that this is so believable is a really depressing sentiment as to what our country has become.

So Republicans are super cool with forcing a ten year old child to give birth to her rapist's baby, but heaven forbid she be allowed at drag queen story time because that might traumatize her.

Republicans, and American parents by extension, are really in denial about what kids can handle or even what they can do, learn, and stumble upon on their own. My mom works in a middle school and the things she hears out of these kids would make the Marquis De Sade blush. One kid got in trouble for watching porn on his phone during class. It isn't even just the internet. When my ancient ass was in middle school I heard the same kind of perverted stuff out of my peers. It's normal and always has been.

I would laugh in the face of any Republican who thinks they were such a saint when they were elementary or middle school students. I thought the right was supposed to be against the "pussification" of our youth. Kids can take learning that another kid, or their teacher, is gay, trans; or reading a book about something related to the subject.

What laws like this do is to simply create more distrust of authority and society in general.

For sure. The real end goal is destroying public schools.

But to parlay this back into the topic of abortion at hand, I think there is going to be a rude awakening for a lot of parents in Republican controlled states when their daughter ends up impregnated, with little recourse now.

Adolescents are going to have sex, you can't stop it, you can only try and get them to do it safely, but that bafflingly is never accepted by the pro-birth crowd. They think that drilling the concept of abstinence into the youth and then covering their ears and closing their eyes to how ineffective it is to think kids aren't going to act on natural impulses is the most practical means of preventing underage pregnancies (and therefore abortions) as well as STD's.

It's not at all baffling once you understand their motivation. Whatever they tell us (or themselves) it is not, was not, and will never be about "saving babies". It's about an perpetuating an antiquated social system (often labeled 'patriarchy' though that's a simplification) and the societal control that goes along with it.

To be a little sarcastic, safe sex encourages bodily autonomy and sexual relations outside the control of the self-proclaimed representatives of BigSkyDaddy. Of course they hate it.
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