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« Reply #20325 on: March 19, 2023, 10:29:55 AM »

https://www.politico.eu/article/nato-is-racing-to-arm-its-russian-borders-can-it-find-the-weapons-eastern-edge-military-leaders-james-j-townsend-jr-us-one-billion-citizens-army-europe

"NATO is racing to arm its Russian borders. Can it find the weapons?"

Seems like this buildup will require a lot of upfront capital.

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But the process could get tricky. Why? Because moving so quickly, even given a month, requires lots of people, equipment and training ó and lots of money.

And to find that money will run counter to the need to recapitalize the financial system.  The only way out to do both will be imposing more inflation tax on the population of the collective West.
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« Reply #20326 on: March 19, 2023, 11:23:07 AM »



I seriously hope that if it does come to pass that Ukraine actually wins the battle of Bakmut that they didnít sacrifice too much
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« Reply #20327 on: March 19, 2023, 12:52:56 PM »

Putin visiting Mariupol, inspecting the reconstruction:
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How is Ukrainian media taking all this?
Don't know. Malding probably.

This is the first time I believe Putin has visited his newly acquired territories, with the exception of Crimea of course.
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« Reply #20328 on: March 19, 2023, 01:06:14 PM »
« Edited: March 19, 2023, 02:32:58 PM by pppolitics »

Putin visiting Mariupol, inspecting the reconstruction:
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How is Ukrainian media taking all this?
Don't know. Malding probably.

This is the first time I believe Putin has visited his newly acquired territories, with the exception of Crimea of course.

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What is on Россия-1 (Russia-1) right now?
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« Reply #20329 on: March 19, 2023, 02:56:57 PM »

Are you being optimistic about the Ukraine counteroffensive?

Honestly I am. I have the feeling the Ukrainians & the Americans are preparing something great
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« Reply #20330 on: March 19, 2023, 03:24:29 PM »

What is "malding"?
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« Reply #20331 on: March 19, 2023, 04:02:49 PM »

Online slang. This is what its core meaning is.
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« Reply #20332 on: March 19, 2023, 04:11:29 PM »

Are you being optimistic about the Ukraine counteroffensive?

Honestly I am. I have the feeling the Ukrainians & the Americans are preparing something great
Personally, I'm kind of uncertain if I should feel optimistic or pessimistic. I do strongly, strongly expect Russia to eventually take Bakhmut, for at least some time. I hope I'm wrong.
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« Reply #20333 on: March 19, 2023, 04:46:59 PM »

https://www.rmf24.pl/raporty/raport-wojna-z-rosja/news-polski-ambasador-wywolal-burze-padly-slowa-o-wojnie-z-rosja,nId,6664830#crp_state=1

Polish ambassader to France says that if Ukraine loses the war then Poland will enter the conflict
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« Reply #20334 on: March 19, 2023, 05:42:56 PM »

Putin visiting Mariupol, inspecting the reconstruction:

You're now posting stuff by Nazi accounts I see?
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« Reply #20335 on: March 19, 2023, 08:51:10 PM »
« Edited: March 19, 2023, 08:57:19 PM by CanadianDemocrat »

Are you being optimistic about the Ukraine counteroffensive?

Honestly I am. I have the feeling the Ukrainians & the Americans are preparing something great

6 months ago I was worried about the war being a perpetual stalemate, with the Ukrainians holding the Russians back, but not able to launch counteroffensives. Then came the Ukrainian counteroffensives that liberated Kherson and Kharkiv. I have stopped underestimating the Ukrainian army and overestimating the Russian army.

The Russians have only advanced 2.5 miles a month in the Bakhmut area, while they lost Kherson and Kharkiv.  
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« Reply #20336 on: March 19, 2023, 09:07:16 PM »

Update from previous post: Ukrainian commander of the 46th Airmobile Brigade was demoted after he talked to Washington Post about how grim the situation really is. Ukrainian war journalist, Yuri Butusov, even defended him for this. The now former commander "Kupol" handed a resignation letter after being demoted.

Please Zelensky stans, defend this:


https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/03/16/7393733/


Please Putin stans, defend this:

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« Reply #20337 on: March 19, 2023, 09:16:50 PM »

Knowing what we know at the moment, what is the likelihood that Mariupol is in Russian hands six months from now?
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« Reply #20338 on: March 19, 2023, 09:18:14 PM »

If Poland enters the conflict, does this entail them getting NATO protection?
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« Reply #20339 on: March 19, 2023, 09:52:36 PM »

If Poland enters the conflict, does this entail them getting NATO protection?

Quote from: NATO Charter

Article 5

The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognised by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.

Poland going to war would not constitute an armed attack requiring self defense. There would be no treaty obligations against it. They could call them all to consultation if they felt their "territorial integrity, political independence or security" were threatened, but that's it. I'm sure it would be understood that NATO would not stand by if the Russians tried to conquer Poland, but it wouldn't be out of treaty obligations.
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« Reply #20340 on: March 19, 2023, 10:02:10 PM »

If Poland enters the conflict, does this entail them getting NATO protection?

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The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognised by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.

Poland going to war would not constitute an armed attack requiring self defense. There would be no treaty obligations against it. They could call them all to consultation if they felt their "territorial integrity, political independence or security" were threatened, but that's it. I'm sure it would be understood that NATO would not stand by if the Russians tried to conquer Poland, but it wouldn't be out of treaty obligations.
Ah. That's what I suspected.
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« Reply #20341 on: March 20, 2023, 02:11:27 AM »

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« Reply #20342 on: March 20, 2023, 03:28:51 AM »

https://www.yahoo.com/news/czech-president-believes-ukraine-one-012629476.html

"Czech President believes Ukraine has one attempt to carry out major counteroffensive"

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"The window of opportunity is open this year. After next winter, it will be extremely difficult to maintain the current level of assistance," Pavel was quoted. "War fatigue is not only the exhaustion of human resources and equipment, the destruction of infrastructure in Ukraine, but also fatigue in the countries that provide aid."
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« Reply #20343 on: March 20, 2023, 07:25:21 AM »

Sneaking around someone's apartment at 2 am and slinking out before the sun rises does not inspire confidence, doesn't it?
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« Reply #20344 on: March 20, 2023, 08:13:33 AM »

Are you being optimistic about the Ukraine counteroffensive?

Honestly I am. I have the feeling the Ukrainians & the Americans are preparing something great

6 months ago I was worried about the war being a perpetual stalemate, with the Ukrainians holding the Russians back, but not able to launch counteroffensives. Then came the Ukrainian counteroffensives that liberated Kherson and Kharkiv. I have stopped underestimating the Ukrainian army and overestimating the Russian army.

The Russians have only advanced 2.5 miles a month in the Bakhmut area, while they lost Kherson and Kharkiv.  
My reasoning is that the Russians are still underperforming expectations so they are still being overestimated. Like they were supposed to capture Bakhmut for a few months now and it appears they are still far away from achieving this.
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« Reply #20345 on: March 20, 2023, 10:23:37 AM »



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« Reply #20346 on: March 20, 2023, 10:23:59 AM »

Putin visiting Mariupol, inspecting the reconstruction:
[snip]
How is Ukrainian media taking all this?
Don't know. Malding probably.

This is the first time I believe Putin has visited his newly acquired territories, with the exception of Crimea of course.

SirWoodbury

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The Brave and Glorious Leader is visiting the liberated territories! The fact that he's making his first visit to the Former Ukrainian Territories in the middle of the night with heavy security and not going anywhere near the front line clearly shows everything is going to plan, and the Special Military Operation will very soon reach a victorious conclusion!!!
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« Reply #20347 on: March 20, 2023, 10:33:27 AM »
« Edited: March 20, 2023, 10:38:08 AM by VirginiŠ »



New $350 million PDA assistance for Ukraine, from the US:

https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/3334472/dod-announces-additional-security-assistance-for-ukraine/

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« Reply #20348 on: March 20, 2023, 11:44:04 AM »


It looks like Ukraine is making moves to start self producing western style weapons probably as a back up if the war does indeed drag on and western aid starts to diminish
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« Reply #20349 on: March 20, 2023, 11:50:52 AM »


It looks like Ukraine is making moves to start self producing western style weapons probably as a back up if the war does indeed drag on and western aid starts to diminish
The infamous Iranian-made Shahed drone is cobbled together from consumer electronics and very crude explosives, engines, and spare parts. No reasons Ukraine couldn't do the same to strike back against Russia.
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