CPAC speaker calls for genocide of trans people

[Diabolical Materialism]

I don't understand why CPAC is still hosted in an extremely Democratic county (PG County, MD).

Why don't they host this garbage in Mesa, AZ, Colorado Springs, CO or Jacksonville, FL?

Well recently they have been holding it in Orlando. Which despite being in a blue county, is an intensely fascist city.

[Mister Mets]

Trans people aren’t an ethnic group and therefore can’t be genocided, according to the UN Definition of Genocide.

From the perspective of anyone saying they're trying to eradicate trans people, they think they're helping. It's the equivalent, for them, of wanting to eradicate anorexia. It doesn't mean they want to kill anorexics. They want to guide anorexics to better mental health outcomes.

[Born to Slay. Forced to Work.]

Trans people aren’t an ethnic group and therefore can’t be genocided, according to the UN Definition of Genocide.

From the perspective of anyone saying they're trying to eradicate trans people, they think they're helping. It's the equivalent, for them, of wanting to eradicate anorexia. It doesn't mean they want to kill anorexics. They want to guide anorexics to better mental health outcomes.

Jesus Christ dude what the f___

The Nazi thought they were “helping” too. You’re giving these human cesspools more credit then they’re ever worth

[Gopchick]

The “moderate” Haley-DeSantis wing of the patty

Not true. The rest of the Daily Wire guys are on the DeSantis train, but Knowles is definitely still with Trump for now.

[Kahane's Grave Is A Gender-Neutral Bathroom]

Mega thread.

Nope. You can't hide how revolting the modern right is by pushing it all into a mega thread so you can just ignore it.

I'll echo DaleCooper from the other day, if democrats moderated on social issues, they'd have a supermajority trifecta

Republicans: "Trans people need to be killed."

You: "Wow, Democrats really need to moderate on this issue."

Trans Activists: "If people don't get my pronouns right I need to violently correct them. Also give kids puberty blockers/hormones before they can make an informed decision and allow biological men to compete on women's sports teams"

You: "Wow, Democrat really need to be more aggressive on this issue."

Translation: you agree with what was said at CPAC.

The fact that you guys don't see any difference between "cancelling people for pronouns is bad" and "don't let biological men compete with biological women" and a call for genocide of an entire group by the homophobic Teletubby known as Michael Knowles is exactly why the trans rights movement has lost support.

[Devout Centrist]

One thing I've been meaning to write about is how the New Right is obssessed with/has modeled its entire aesthetic and raison d'etre on the memory of the New Left; this is like what Abbie Hoffman and Yippies wanted, but not woke. Fundamentally unserious people.

[Hindsight was 2020]

Mega thread.

Nope. You can't hide how revolting the modern right is by pushing it all into a mega thread so you can just ignore it.

I'll echo DaleCooper from the other day, if democrats moderated on social issues, they'd have a supermajority trifecta

Republicans: "Trans people need to be killed."

You: "Wow, Democrats really need to moderate on this issue."

Trans Activists: "If people don't get my pronouns right I need to violently correct them. Also give kids puberty blockers/hormones before they can make an informed decision and allow biological men to compete on women's sports teams"

You: "Wow, Democrat really need to be more aggressive on this issue."

Translation: you agree with what was said at CPAC.

The fact that you guys don't see any difference between "cancelling people for pronouns is bad" and "don't let biological men compete with biological women" and a call for genocide of an entire group by the homophobic Teletubby known as Michael Knowles is exactly why the trans rights movement has lost support.

Beyond maybe some weird ass on Twitter who the hell advocates violence to be done to someone for misuse of pronouns? Part of the reason people like Ferguson get in your case is we have a thread of someone at CPAC advocating eliminating trans people and your response is to go off on some weird imaginary strawman. Quite frankly that gets to my annoyance as well because we have countless red states passing ghoulish laws attacking trans people and their rights and guys like you or Dule or Alben act like some trans person or ally on Twitter being mean to you is on some equal power level

[Ferguson97]

Trans people aren’t an ethnic group and therefore can’t be genocided, according to the UN Definition of Genocide.

From the perspective of anyone saying they're trying to eradicate trans people, they think they're helping. It's the equivalent, for them, of wanting to eradicate anorexia. It doesn't mean they want to kill anorexics. They want to guide anorexics to better mental health outcomes.

How is this any different from the people who wanted to cure homosexuality in the 90s and 2000s?

[Mister Mets]

Trans people aren’t an ethnic group and therefore can’t be genocided, according to the UN Definition of Genocide.

From the perspective of anyone saying they're trying to eradicate trans people, they think they're helping. It's the equivalent, for them, of wanting to eradicate anorexia. It doesn't mean they want to kill anorexics. They want to guide anorexics to better mental health outcomes.

How is this any different from the people who wanted to cure homosexuality in the 90s and 2000s?

It is quite similar.

But it's still in a different category than wanting to murder a group of people.

[Vice President Christian Man]

Mega thread.

Nope. You can't hide how revolting the modern right is by pushing it all into a mega thread so you can just ignore it.

I'll echo DaleCooper from the other day, if democrats moderated on social issues, they'd have a supermajority trifecta

Republicans: "Trans people need to be killed."

You: "Wow, Democrats really need to moderate on this issue."

Trans Activists: "If people don't get my pronouns right I need to violently correct them. Also give kids puberty blockers/hormones before they can make an informed decision and allow biological men to compete on women's sports teams"

You: "Wow, Democrat really need to be more aggressive on this issue."

There are people which I think are overly represented on the internet who will harass/bully/cancel whoever doesn’t respect their pronouns etc. even if it’s a simple misunderstanding but in my limited experience the only thing most trans people want is to be respected and treated equally. I just can’t see how a few bad apples makes it okay to demonize an entire group of people, especially since most of them have had hard lives to begin with. I think more people are fearful because of incidents such as the Loudon County bathroom assault which (btw the perpetrator is straight and just happened to be perverted) ruin a movement (while Dems deserved to lose imo for the way they handled it in the first place).. We’ve seen this with any culture war issue, activists will take a tragedy or horrible person and paint the entire movement as evil or demented or whatever when that’s not the case.

[7,052,770]

The fact that you guys don't see any difference between "cancelling people for pronouns is bad" and "don't let biological men compete with biological women" and a call for genocide of an entire group by the homophobic Teletubby known as Michael Knowles is exactly why the trans rights movement has lost support.

Literally all of us see those as 3 different things. Who ever said otherwise?

[Ferguson97]

How is this any different from the people who wanted to cure homosexuality in the 90s and 2000s?

It is quite similar.

The people who wanted to "cure homosexuality" did not have good intentions either.

But it's still in a different category than wanting to murder a group of people.

Sure, but murdering people is what this CPAC person is calling for.

[DrScholl]

Mega thread.

Nope. You can't hide how revolting the modern right is by pushing it all into a mega thread so you can just ignore it.

I'll echo DaleCooper from the other day, if democrats moderated on social issues, they'd have a supermajority trifecta

Republicans: "Trans people need to be killed."

You: "Wow, Democrats really need to moderate on this issue."

Trans Activists: "If people don't get my pronouns right I need to violently correct them. Also give kids puberty blockers/hormones before they can make an informed decision and allow biological men to compete on women's sports teams"

You: "Wow, Democrat really need to be more aggressive on this issue."

Translation: you agree with what was said at CPAC.

The fact that you guys don't see any difference between "cancelling people for pronouns is bad" and "don't let biological men compete with biological women" and a call for genocide of an entire group by the homophobic Teletubby known as Michael Knowles is exactly why the trans rights movement has lost support.

Being angry because someone uses pronouns you don't understand is stupid because it doesn't effect your personal life, but it is different than calling genocide. Being ignorant of science on sports is not the same as calling for genocide. With that being said hate movements often start off with minor complaints and escalate into bigger things.

[Badger]

Mega thread.

Go ahead. No one is stopping you. Or join AAD, which already has one.

Please consolidate these into LGBT Issues Megathread. This is only threads from the past month. We clearly need a megathread. Your welcome.

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I tried. Its in the mods court now.

You try to make it a less noticeable documentation of your and folks like yours bigotry. The mods won't fall for it

Abortion/overturning Roe gets a megathread, COVID gets a megathread, Jan 6th gets a megathread

but somehow LGBT issues that are spammed in USGD just as often aren't worthy of a megathread? lmao

"Spammed". Not even trying to avoid saying the quiet part out loud.

[Badger]

Times like these I wish I could afford therapy. When most people agree with Michael Knowles and would kill me if they had the means and the knowledge of what I am (and ultimately, it's sh**t like this that makes me realize that I am more of a what than a who), it's hard not to get in my head and realize that maybe they have a point.

Don’t let the douchebags and fascist get to you. You’re not a “what” you’re a human being and a much better one than Knowles or his enablers here

[Antonio the Sixth]

The escalation of right-wing rhetoric on trans people is absolutely terrifying. It should seriously give pause to anyone who isn't fully into the MAGA bubble that we're at a point when thought leaders can call for the eradication of an entire group and get an applause. And it doesn't even seem like an electoral strategy! Anti-trans fearmongering was a key part of the GOP message last November and it was a total flop, but they're still doubling down on it.

It's really hard to see where this all ends. Even if we're not talking about mass murder here (presumably even this far-right SCOTUS would put a lid on that), we're getting pretty close to a point where mass "reeducation" camps become the norm in some parts of this country. I mean, "conversion therapy" is still broadly practiced with the blessing of plenty of state governments, so seeing them make it mandatory for trans children seems like the natural next step.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Mega thread.

Go ahead. No one is stopping you. Or join AAD, which already has one.

Please consolidate these into LGBT Issues Megathread. This is only threads from the past month. We clearly need a megathread. Your welcome.

https://talkelections.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=541038.0

https://talkelections.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=540985.0

https://talkelections.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=540935.0

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https://talkelections.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=537203.0

https://talkelections.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=537068.0

I tried. Its in the mods court now.

You try to make it a less noticeable documentation of your and folks like yours bigotry. The mods won't fall for it

Abortion/overturning Roe gets a megathread, COVID gets a megathread, Jan 6th gets a megathread

but somehow LGBT issues that are spammed in USGD just as often aren't worthy of a megathread? lmao

"Spammed". Not even trying to avoid saying the quiet part out loud.

It is clearly spam at this point

[T'Chenka]

Well recently they have been holding it in Orlando. Which despite being in a blue county, is an intensely fascist city.

Random side-note: Orlando has more strip clubs per capita than anywhere else in the USA. Don't quote me on that, I haven't looked it up, but I heard somebody I consider reputable say it. The Libertarian Party often holds their convention there, or at least, used to. Coincidence? Who knows.

[Comrade Funk]

Gonna guess the blue avs who brush aside this rhetoric have never talked to a trans teen (the ones they claim they want to protect).

[Diabolical Materialism]

Well recently they have been holding it in Orlando. Which despite being in a blue county, is an intensely fascist city.

Random side-note: Orlando has more strip clubs per capita than anywhere else in the USA. Don't quote me on that, I haven't looked it up, but I heard somebody I consider reputable say it. The Libertarian Party often holds their convention there, or at least, used to. Coincidence? Who knows.

I believe it. Strip club owners tend to rank somewhere between Private Military Contractors and Recreational Vehicle Dealers in terms of prediliction for fascism.

[fhtagn]

Mega thread.

Go ahead. No one is stopping you. Or join AAD, which already has one.

Please consolidate these into LGBT Issues Megathread. This is only threads from the past month. We clearly need a megathread. Your welcome.

https://talkelections.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=541038.0

https://talkelections.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=540985.0

https://talkelections.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=540935.0

https://talkelections.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=540811.0

https://talkelections.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=540914.0

https://talkelections.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=540086.0

https://talkelections.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=540837.0

https://talkelections.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=540805.0

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https://talkelections.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=537285.0

https://talkelections.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=537334.0

https://talkelections.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=537203.0

https://talkelections.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=537068.0

I tried. Its in the mods court now.

You try to make it a less noticeable documentation of your and folks like yours bigotry. The mods won't fall for it

Abortion/overturning Roe gets a megathread, COVID gets a megathread, Jan 6th gets a megathread

but somehow LGBT issues that are spammed in USGD just as often aren't worthy of a megathread? lmao

"Spammed". Not even trying to avoid saying the quiet part out loud.

At least you're willing to admit it's actually spam and provides nothing of value to forum discussion in a ton of different threads

[DrScholl]

The spam argument doesn't hold water because the problem some people have with these posts is not that they are spam, it's that they are evidence that radicalism is real and that the anti-transgender crusade was never about parental rights or anything else seemingly reasonable.

[fhtagn]

The spam argument doesn't hold water because the problem some people have with these posts is not that they are spam, it's that they are evidence that radicalism is real and that the anti-transgender crusade was never about parental rights or anything else seemingly reasonable.

The spam argument exists because it actually is spam. There is no evidence to support this idea that a "trans genocide" is happening, and there is no valuable discussion that results from the threads. It's just an excuse for some red or maroon av to falsely claim "trans genocide" with no proof and for a bunch of people to reply things like"omg Republicans are evil and have to be stopped" like it means anything.

[DrScholl]

The spam argument doesn't hold water because the problem some people have with these posts is not that they are spam, it's that they are evidence that radicalism is real and that the anti-transgender crusade was never about parental rights or anything else seemingly reasonable.

The spam argument exists because it actually is spam. There is no evidence to support this idea that a "trans genocide" is happening, and there is no valuable discussion that results from the threads. It's just an excuse for some red or maroon av to falsely claim "trans genocide" with no proof and for a bunch of people to reply things like"omg Republicans are evil and have to be stopped" like it means anything.

I haven't seen anyone say it is actually happen, but it's clear that there are people proposing it (this person at CPAC). And not all the threads are about genocide, but are also about bills about banning transitioning and even removing children from the home.

[fhtagn]

The spam argument doesn't hold water because the problem some people have with these posts is not that they are spam, it's that they are evidence that radicalism is real and that the anti-transgender crusade was never about parental rights or anything else seemingly reasonable.

The spam argument exists because it actually is spam. There is no evidence to support this idea that a "trans genocide" is happening, and there is no valuable discussion that results from the threads. It's just an excuse for some red or maroon av to falsely claim "trans genocide" with no proof and for a bunch of people to reply things like"omg Republicans are evil and have to be stopped" like it means anything.

I haven't see anyone say it is actually happen, but it's clear that there are people proposing it (this person at CPAC). And not all the threads are about genocide, but are also about bills about banning transitioning and even removing children from the home.

If you even bothered to listen to what he actually said, he was referring to transgenderism (an ideology), not transgender people. He's clearly not even close to proposing genocide.

But of course like every other red/maroon av on this forum that frequently posts about trans issues, it's much easier to push your existing beliefs than actually listen to what is being said or reason what is actually being proposed from the source itself.