Indiana Senate passes book banning bill

[Landslide Lyndon]

Another case of liberal cancel culture gone wild.

https://www.wfyi.org/news/articles/indiana-senate-bill-ban-books-prosecute-teachers-librarians

 Senate lawmakers passed a bill Tuesday that would strip teachers and school librarians of a legal defense against charges that they distributed harmful material to minors.

Senators debated the legislation for roughly two hours, with supporters of the bill arguing that it closes a loophole, and opponents expressing fear that it will criminalize teachers and librarians and have a chilling effect on the types of books available in schools.

[Vice President Christian Man]

I think a good solution would be that books deemed controversial would require parental consent before checking them out. I support the 1A but some of these books have no business being in libraries especially elementary school ones.

[soundchaser]

Another day, another vaguely worded bill that's so broad as to be unenforceable.

[Badger]

Even if its futile beyond the Elementary school level this gesture is very nice.

I don't think taxpayers should have to pay for children to read sexually explicit material from school. If some parents want this, they can spend money on a private school where they have those and maybe their kids will experience the "benefits" of this type of education.

Great point! Too long have her children been exposed to such Reckless filth as are you there God it's me Margaret and Forever by Judy blume. Absolutely disgusting trash!

[jojoju1998]

Republicans love Communism and Stalinism !

[Damocles]

The party of small government, everyone. The government that’s so obsessed with control it’ll get mad over small things like this.

[indietraveler]

If something is truly graphic and not age appropriate I think most people would be fine with it being removed...but yet...what are these specific books and why aren't there clear examples? I've seen an increase of kids books teaching about tolerance and diversity and if this is what is being referred to as "ban worthy." I have a feeling since no one can name any this is what they're going after.

Imagine being on the side that's more triggered by the books in a kids' library vs. someone coming in and shooting up the same library in less than a minute.

[Person Man]

More big government Nationalism. Surprise Suprise.

[indietraveler]

If something is truly graphic and not age appropriate I think most people would be fine with it being removed...but yet...what are these specific books and why aren't there clear examples? I've seen an increase of kids books teaching about tolerance and diversity and if this is what is being referred to as "ban worthy." I have a feeling since no one can name any this is what they're going after.

This is not true. You'd be surprised what liberals will try to push under the guise of tolerance.

See the movement that happened in Dearborn last year for examples. There were 6 or 7 books brought up in particular, all of them being really blatantly explicit, and they were removed from the school libraries but only after a lot of resistance from the local official Democrats who wanted to keep them in.

Imagine being on the side that's more triggered by the books in a kids' library vs. someone coming in and shooting up the same library in less than a minute.

False dichotomy

Not really. Obviously you can care about both but we see you when you hijack school board meetings and where you dedicate your energy.

[TheReckoning]

The party of small government, everyone. The government that’s so obsessed with control it’ll get mad over small things like this.

Telling government organizations like public schools that they can’t have certain material is small government.

[Crumpets]

Have Republicans not realized the most fun part of banning books is the burning part? They're really missing out on giving their base that cathartic experience of a nice big bonfire with your neighbors, the screaming, some angry country music getting played over loudspeakers...

[Badger]

If something is truly graphic and not age appropriate I think most people would be fine with it being removed...but yet...what are these specific books and why aren't there clear examples? I've seen an increase of kids books teaching about tolerance and diversity and if this is what is being referred to as "ban worthy." I have a feeling since no one can name any this is what they're going after.

This is not true. You'd be surprised what liberals will try to push under the guise of tolerance.

See the movement that happened in Dearborn last year for examples. There were 6 or 7 books brought up in particular, all of them being really blatantly explicit, and they were removed from the school libraries but only after a lot of resistance from the local official Democrats who wanted to keep them .

Name some?

[Badger]

If something is truly graphic and not age appropriate I think most people would be fine with it being removed...but yet...what are these specific books and why aren't there clear examples? I've seen an increase of kids books teaching about tolerance and diversity and if this is what is being referred to as "ban worthy." I have a feeling since no one can name any this is what they're going after.

This is not true. You'd be surprised what liberals will try to push under the guise of tolerance.

See the movement that happened in Dearborn last year for examples. There were 6 or 7 books brought up in particular, all of them being really blatantly explicit, and they were removed from the school libraries but only after a lot of resistance from the local official Democrats who wanted to keep them .

Name some?

Easy!

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/wayne/2022/11/15/dearborn-schools-ban-books-censorship-debate/69649233007/

• "Eleanor and Park" by Rainbow Rowell was inappropriate for middle school, but appropriate for high school students. Copies of the book, the district said, will be removed from the middle schools, but remain on the shelves at the high schools.
• "Push" by Sapphire and "Red, White and Royal Blue" by Casey McQuiston were inappropriate for high school.

These are absolutely disgusting books and they have no place in schools, especially for elementary and middle school students.
There were more of them too! The district was reviewing the rest of them but hopefully they're all gone.

If you want to watch parents fight against the school board three hours and watch the extreme fringe LGBT talk about how public elementary schools need to encourage their students to read pornographic content you can do that here. I think at some point there's even a homo who goes up there and he admits how the books really should be banned and supports the parents but IDK I didn't watch the whole thing:

Video Link

Banning a book that spawned an academy award-winning movie as well as being widely lauded, and another widely modded book because it has a gay relationship. Unsuitable for readers 15 to 18 years old.

Embarrassingly prudish and proving my point

[It’s so Joever]

-SNIP-

Banning a book that spawned an academy award-winning movie as well as being widely lauded, and another widely modded book because it has a gay relationship. Unsuitable for readers 15 to 18 years old.

Embarrassingly prudish and proving my point

This is insane, if anything the school board didn't go far enough. They left a bunch of books unbanned (including one literally called "This Book Is Gay"!)

Mein Kampf probably spawned a few academy award-winning movies as well but it's not out here being encouraged for children to read.

If this is what being prudish looks like to you, that means being prudish is a very, very good thing. IDK if you even check a little bit but as per the video the books have illustrations of kids doing sex acts (which is pedophilia!) I didn't even watch that much and they talk about it. In another passage of one of the books it's recommending kids to use homo dating apps (I'd say literally a schoolbook recommending to use any dating app is pretty bad, but homo one is even worse, even from a secular perspective when taking into account the higher proportion of sex offenders and child molesters using them) And the LGBT people blatantly talked about this being "self-expression".

They don't just want themselves to be free. You'll notice so many of the parents in the video clarify how they aren't threatening LGBT people, they aren't trying to take away their rights, they just want their tax dollars not to be spent on these books and age-inappropriate content not to be available in public schools.

But the LGBT agenda is deeper than that. They want to force you to accept them and think they're a positive towards society. And if you dare deviate from the LGBT line in any way, they will fight and try to brainwash your kids to think they're good. And the fact that otherwise good, regular folks like you and probably those Democrats on the school board think that that having these books are a good thing shows the extent of mass media brainwashing.


Also, I noticed you switched:

This doesn't exist -> If does, and it's a good thing!

Look dude, gay marriage is wrong, but you can’t just ban it from being shown in books at schools when other wrongs like smoking or stealing are depicted in books sometimes. Kids should have access to ALL books. I am strongly for this bexause the ONLY reason I became a Christian was because of my elementary school library having a bunch of different religious books I could read and learn about. I abhor book banning of ANY type.

Kids are smart and our society infantilizes them too much. They should be learning about these topics at an early age and taught how to make their own judgements. Not sheltered behind some walls.

[soundchaser]

I think at some point there's even a homo who goes up there

Yipes!

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

Rainbow Rowell and Casey McQuiston are terrible authors, but not for the reasons Abdullah thinks and not in a way that ought to get their work removed from high school shelves. I read William Styron in high school. Now THERE'S an author with a lot of extreme, disgusting content. And I'm a better reader and a better thinker for it.

[Not Me, Us]

-SNIP-

Banning a book that spawned an academy award-winning movie as well as being widely lauded, and another widely modded book because it has a gay relationship. Unsuitable for readers 15 to 18 years old.

Embarrassingly prudish and proving my point

This is insane, if anything the school board didn't go far enough. They left a bunch of books unbanned (including one literally called "This Book Is Gay"!)

Mein Kampf probably spawned a few academy award-winning movies as well but it's not out here being encouraged for children to read.

If this is what being prudish looks like to you, that means being prudish is a very, very good thing. IDK if you even check a little bit but as per the video the books have illustrations of kids doing sex acts (which is pedophilia!) I didn't even watch that much and they talk about it. In another passage of one of the books it's recommending kids to use homo dating apps (I'd say literally a schoolbook recommending to use any dating app is pretty bad, but homo one is even worse, even from a secular perspective when taking into account the higher proportion of sex offenders and child molesters using them) And the LGBT people blatantly talked about this being "self-expression".

They don't just want themselves to be free. You'll notice so many of the parents in the video clarify how they aren't threatening LGBT people, they aren't trying to take away their rights, they just want their tax dollars not to be spent on these books and age-inappropriate content not to be available in public schools.

But the LGBT agenda is deeper than that. They want to force you to accept them and think they're a positive towards society. And if you dare deviate from the LGBT line in any way, they will fight and try to brainwash your kids to think they're good. And the fact that otherwise good, regular folks like you and probably those Democrats on the school board think that that having these books are a good thing shows the extent of mass media brainwashing.


Also, I noticed you switched:

This doesn't exist -> If does, and it's a good thing!

Look dude, gay marriage is wrong, but you can’t just ban it from being shown in books at schools when other wrongs like smoking or stealing are depicted in books sometimes. Kids should have access to ALL books. I am strongly for this bexause the ONLY reason I became a Christian was because of my elementary school library having a bunch of different religious books I could read and learn about. I abhor book banning of ANY type.

Kids are smart and our society infantilizes them too much. They should be learning about these topics at an early age and taught how to make their own judgements. Not sheltered behind some walls.

Gay marriage is wrong? Come on man, that's just insane.

[Kahane's Grave Is A Gender-Neutral Bathroom]

Rainbow Rowell and Casey McQuiston are terrible authors, but not for the reasons Abdhullah thinks and not in a way that ought to get their work removed from high school shelves. I read William Styron in high school. Now THERE'S an author with a lot of extreme, disgusting content. And I'm a better reader and a better thinker for it.

Abdullah is this close to openly supporting Sharia law.

[Holmes]

Can’t believe someone in this thread used Push and Red, White and Royal Blue as examples for books inappropriate for high schoolers. What a joke. Hopefully it was trolling.

[Lexii, harbinger of chaos and sexual anarchy]

Can’t believe someone in this thread used Push and Red, White and Royal Blue as examples for books inappropriate for high schoolers. What a joke. Hopefully it was trolling.

You underestimate Abdullah's prudishness and sexual (?) conservatism

[It’s so Joever]

-SNIP-

Banning a book that spawned an academy award-winning movie as well as being widely lauded, and another widely modded book because it has a gay relationship. Unsuitable for readers 15 to 18 years old.

Embarrassingly prudish and proving my point

This is insane, if anything the school board didn't go far enough. They left a bunch of books unbanned (including one literally called "This Book Is Gay"!)

Mein Kampf probably spawned a few academy award-winning movies as well but it's not out here being encouraged for children to read.

If this is what being prudish looks like to you, that means being prudish is a very, very good thing. IDK if you even check a little bit but as per the video the books have illustrations of kids doing sex acts (which is pedophilia!) I didn't even watch that much and they talk about it. In another passage of one of the books it's recommending kids to use homo dating apps (I'd say literally a schoolbook recommending to use any dating app is pretty bad, but homo one is even worse, even from a secular perspective when taking into account the higher proportion of sex offenders and child molesters using them) And the LGBT people blatantly talked about this being "self-expression".

They don't just want themselves to be free. You'll notice so many of the parents in the video clarify how they aren't threatening LGBT people, they aren't trying to take away their rights, they just want their tax dollars not to be spent on these books and age-inappropriate content not to be available in public schools.

But the LGBT agenda is deeper than that. They want to force you to accept them and think they're a positive towards society. And if you dare deviate from the LGBT line in any way, they will fight and try to brainwash your kids to think they're good. And the fact that otherwise good, regular folks like you and probably those Democrats on the school board think that that having these books are a good thing shows the extent of mass media brainwashing.


Also, I noticed you switched:

This doesn't exist -> If does, and it's a good thing!

Look dude, gay marriage is wrong, but you can’t just ban it from being shown in books at schools when other wrongs like smoking or stealing are depicted in books sometimes. Kids should have access to ALL books. I am strongly for this bexause the ONLY reason I became a Christian was because of my elementary school library having a bunch of different religious books I could read and learn about. I abhor book banning of ANY type.

Kids are smart and our society infantilizes them too much. They should be learning about these topics at an early age and taught how to make their own judgements. Not sheltered behind some walls.

Gay marriage is wrong? Come on man, that's just insane.

From the moral level that is my belief. But it should still be a constitutionally respected right and all LGBT unsettling people should be treated with the same level of dignity as anyone else would in society. I will not force my morality on you, I would hope the same would be true in reverse.

[Vosem]

This seems like an uncommonly silly law, but...removing books from libraries isn't banning them. It's easy for me to think of books that I don't want the government exposing people to (one no one here will dispute might be The Turner Diaries), and it's easy for me to think of books that I think everyone should read that still obviously have no place in any sort of school library (PiHKAL comes to mind). Nor is removing a book from a curriculum equivalent to 'banning' it -- there are more books that should be read than there are hours in which to read them. Considering the reality of many students struggling with literacy, there has to be some level of economizing.

Anyway I don't support this but I also don't think it's any kind of outrage.

[Badger]

I think at some point there's even a homo who goes up there

Yipes!

"And now it's time for atlas's favorite quiz show: "ABDULLAH OR FUZZY?" Tune in to watch contestants try to guess which poster using a fundamentalist interpretation of their religion to justify bigotry has made the most recent homophobic forum post!

Winners will get to put both posters on ignore for a full month. Runners up will have Abdullah like half of their posts for the following week.

[Badger]

This seems like an uncommonly silly law, but...removing books from libraries isn't banning them. It's easy for me to think of books that I don't want the government exposing people to (one no one here will dispute might be The Turner Diaries), and it's easy for me to think of books that I think everyone should read that still obviously have no place in any sort of school library (PiHKAL comes to mind). Nor is removing a book from a curriculum equivalent to 'banning' it -- there are more books that should be read than there are hours in which to read them. Considering the reality of many students struggling with literacy, there has to be some level of economizing.

Anyway I don't support this but I also don't think it's any kind of outrage.

With respect, that is sheer semantics. The fact these books are indeed being banned from public libraries warrants this being referred to as book Banning without the slightest bit of hyperbole. Just because Indiana hasn't tried to literally stop any private circulation of these books among readers or bookstores is hardly any saving grace.

And yes, while I understand that a healthy respect for free speech involves a great deal of leeway, if one cannot distinguish a book like the Turner diaries, and overt explicit call for race war against blacks, mexicans, etc, versus push and they're suitability for high school teenagers, I just don't know what to tell you man. The issue is one of judgment, not legality, and in this case once again as is almost always the case books are being banned based on the values of far right fundamentalists

[DaleCooper]

This seems like an uncommonly silly law, but...removing books from libraries isn't banning them. It's easy for me to think of books that I don't want the government exposing people to (one no one here will dispute might be The Turner Diaries), and it's easy for me to think of books that I think everyone should read that still obviously have no place in any sort of school library (PiHKAL comes to mind). Nor is removing a book from a curriculum equivalent to 'banning' it -- there are more books that should be read than there are hours in which to read them. Considering the reality of many students struggling with literacy, there has to be some level of economizing.

Anyway I don't support this but I also don't think it's any kind of outrage.

With respect, that is sheer semantics. The fact these books are indeed being banned from public libraries warrants this being referred to as book Banning without the slightest bit of hyperbole. Just because Indiana hasn't tried to literally stop any private circulation of these books among readers or bookstores is hardly any saving grace.

And yes, while I understand that a healthy respect for free speech involves a great deal of leeway, if one cannot distinguish a book like the Turner diaries, and overt explicit call for race war against blacks, mexicans, etc, versus push and they're suitability for high school teenagers, I just don't know what to tell you man. The issue is one of judgment, not legality, and in this case once again as is almost always the case books are being banned based on the values of far right fundamentalists

To be fair, the left's tactics of shutting down books and media are a lot worse as far as access to the books themselves is concerned. Even if the right succeeds at kicking these books out of libraries, you can still easily find and read all of them. You never have to worry about publishers censoring books before they make it to print in order to appeal to the right. The left gets books censored or pulped before we have a chance to read them in the first place. If you care about censorship of literature, you should also be worried about all the big publishers employing leftwing "sensitivity readers" to go through every single manuscript to delete offensive material before publishing. Republicans' desire to ban books is a large part of why I refuse to vote for any of them, but the left's crocodile tears are pretty rich on this subject.