Russia-Ukraine war and related tensions Megathread

[ꙮ]

You are so F-ing Crazy that your willing to just give zelensky a pass when it comes to blowing a nuclear power plant.  Per Reuters, Zelensky says he attacked power plant.  He admitted to it after saying he didn't do it, and falsely alleged that he only did it cause Russia was firing artillery from inside the facility.  There are literally videos of rockets coming across the Dneiper before hitting facility.  https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-warns-fresh-provocations-shelling-near-occupied-nuclear-plant-2022-08-13/

Then Zelensky changed his story against to allege the Russia were repeatedly firing on their own positions. He kept trying to blow the F-er up, because apparently a propaganda is more important to people like you then actually doing the responsible thing by calling Zelensky out for one of the most serious War Crimes imaginable.  A War Crime with weapons you want to provide him. People like you are the reason I and many other turned against Ukraine.  

Every human being has a duty to put a bullet into their leaders head when they intend to blow-up a nuclear facility just to sell the rest of the World on the idea that mutual-assured destruction is justified.  No.  You're a bad human being.  You can ask 100 people off the street, and 99 would come back with the same conclusion.

Thoughts:

1. Does everyone on this forum have Hollywood on ignore except me? It seems like his wall-of-text schizoposts go completely unnoticed, even when they’re highly visible like this.

2. This post is proof that there is no bias in moderation on this site. Virginia is a saint. If I were a Ukrainian and I had to deal with this lunatic calling me a terrible human being and a crazy person for rejecting his pro Russian conspiracy theories, I’d have banned him (or muted him from the thread) by now.

3. I don’t even know why I’m bothering to respond to the this post directly, but despite your claims to the contrary, support for Ukraine hasn’t really declined since the war started. 99/100 people do not agree with you, domestically or globally.

[DINGO Joe]

https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1584218964162641922

[Storr]

On to Berlin!

https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1584203002935549953?s=20&t=b1ybUM...

[Person Man]

Borat was pretty good, but Lukashenko is way better

https://twitter.com/yasminalombaert/status/1583896051358269440

if Putin falls from power somehow, that's just asking for a Borat meme to be made with him and Lukashenko, with Lukashenko being Borat of course.

What’s his take on Gypsy tears and AIDS?

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

On to Berlin!

https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1584203002935549953?s=20&t=b1ybUM...

This is a Hearts of Iron 4 game. If Putin makes enough 20 width divisions and creates enough bicycle divisions, then he can overpower the Germans and win East Germany, Poland, Ukraine, the Baltic states, and Finland in the peace conference.

[NOVA Green]

Another Russian jet crashes during a test flight exercise:

A Russian fighter jet smashed into a home in the Siberian city of Irkutsk during a test flight on Sunday, killing the two pilots, Russian state media reported. It was the second crash of a Russian warplane in a residential area within a week.

The plane, an Su-30, set off a fire, but there were no civilian casualties and the blaze has been extinguished, Russia’s state-run news agency Tass reported, citing emergency officials.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/10/23/world/russia-ukraine-war-news

[HillGoose]

Another Russian jet crashes during a test flight exercise:

A Russian fighter jet smashed into a home in the Siberian city of Irkutsk during a test flight on Sunday, killing the two pilots, Russian state media reported. It was the second crash of a Russian warplane in a residential area within a week.

The plane, an Su-30, set off a fire, but there were no civilian casualties and the blaze has been extinguished, Russia’s state-run news agency Tass reported, citing emergency officials.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/10/23/world/russia-ukraine-war-news

a month ago the pilots were probably like a dentist and a gas station clerk or something

[John Dule]

This is a Hearts of Iron 4 game. If Putin makes enough 20 width divisions and creates enough bicycle divisions, then he can overpower the Germans and win East Germany, Poland, Ukraine, the Baltic states, and Finland in the peace conference.

No, this is a Civ V game and Putin forgot to upgrade his units before the world congress embargo crashed his gold production.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

This is a Hearts of Iron 4 game. If Putin makes enough 20 width divisions and creates enough bicycle divisions, then he can overpower the Germans and win East Germany, Poland, Ukraine, the Baltic states, and Finland in the peace conference.

No, this is a Civ V game and Putin forgot to upgrade his units before the world congress embargo crashed his gold production.

That also fits.

[Storr]

https://twitter.com/IuliiaMendel/status/1584217180685488128?s=20&t=b1ybUMO4Z...

[NOVA Green]

Apparently the cigs Russia provides their soldiers with are inferior to those provided to Ukrainian soldiers.

Anybody recognize this brand?



https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1584173701699842050?s=20&t=2NXSDcMjBs...

[NOVA Green]

Gas Stations and Supermarkets in Kherson City today:

https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1584161290376790017?s=20&t=2NXSDcMjBs...

https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1584149325541933058?s=20&t=2NXSDc...

https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1584211529301651456?s=20&t=2NXSDcMjBs...

[NOVA Green]

Another Russian jet crashes during a test flight exercise:

A Russian fighter jet smashed into a home in the Siberian city of Irkutsk during a test flight on Sunday, killing the two pilots, Russian state media reported. It was the second crash of a Russian warplane in a residential area within a week.

The plane, an Su-30, set off a fire, but there were no civilian casualties and the blaze has been extinguished, Russia’s state-run news agency Tass reported, citing emergency officials.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/10/23/world/russia-ukraine-war-news

a month ago the pilots were probably like a dentist and a gas station clerk or something

Probably doesn't help that Russia is way short of trainers...

anyways... here's a video of the crash... looks like the plane was diving nose first straight into the ground.

https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1584139536057401344?s=20&t=2NXSDc...

[TiltsAreUnderrated]

Another Russian jet crashes during a test flight exercise:

A Russian fighter jet smashed into a home in the Siberian city of Irkutsk during a test flight on Sunday, killing the two pilots, Russian state media reported. It was the second crash of a Russian warplane in a residential area within a week.

The plane, an Su-30, set off a fire, but there were no civilian casualties and the blaze has been extinguished, Russia’s state-run news agency Tass reported, citing emergency officials.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/10/23/world/russia-ukraine-war-news

Greater stress on airframes, pilots, ground crew etc. in times of war - higher accident rates are to be expected.

[Storr]

Epic trolling by Ukrainian border guards:

https://twitter.com/TadeuszGiczan/status/1584275524255617024?s=20&t=b1ybUMO4...

Edit: The flag was first adopted by the Belarusian People's Republic in 1918. I like it much better than the Lukashenko flag. It makes sense to have white be a main color on the flag of a country whose name origin (Belaya Rus) literally means White Rus'.

[NOVA Green]

Apparently the cigs Russia provides their soldiers with are inferior to those provided to Ukrainian soldiers.

Anybody recognize this brand?



https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1584173701699842050?s=20&t=2NXSDcMjBs...

Ok, so I had done a bit of research at the time looking for Russian manufactured cigs and didn't see any images for any of the brands produced in Russia.

After some further research, it appears that this is actually a Bulgarian brand...

"Is this s**t safe to smoke", appears to actually be a legit question upon further research, in a war where both Russian and Ukrainian soldiers smoke like fiends...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulgartabac

However, they have a variety of different products but BT appears to be the one identified in the video.

The company itself has an extremely checkered legal history, to the point where one must wonder if they are evading EU sanctions involving trading with Russia...

Here are some select quotes from Wiki...

In 2011, A unit of OAO VTB, Russia's second-largest bank, was awarded a majority stake in Bulgartabac after the sole bidder offered to pay 100.1 million euros ($145 million) for an 80% stake.[1]

Bulgarian news sources Sega and FOCUS linked Bulgartabac to reports that CorpBank banker Tsvetan Vasilev had ordered the assassination of Member of Parliament Delyan Peevski, prompting Bulgartabac to "declare war on CorpBank" and divest itself of all accounts within that institution.[2]

A 2014 study on Transnational Tobacco Companies (TTCs) penetration of the Bulgarian market after the fall of communism and during that nation's accession into the EU concluded that Bulgartabac was involved with smuggling its own cigarettes out of, and back into, Bulgaria to avoid taxation.[3]

Bulgartabac has been linked by Turkish Customs officials to a significant role in the production and illegal import of "cheap whites" - substandard cigarettes smuggled in through Iran and Syria to avoid taxation or safety quality standards. Allegedly "they are shipped through the Suez Canal and Red Sea, around the Gulf of Aden and up to Jebel Ali, the transit point. Once there, the tobacco is usually disguised as another product and given fresh paperwork before being shipped onwards to Iraq, where it is smuggled back across the border into Turkey without paying excise duty."[4]

[Storr]

I'm sure a crowdfunding campaign would be able to fund a replacement statue and bust. Then again, I doubt Ukraine would replace statues of Russian war heroes.

Hopefully this means the Russians are actually leaving Kherson.

Edit: The telegram post mentions "evacuating" the remains of Grigory Potemkin. It turns out Potemkin's tomb is indeed in Kherson at Saint Catherine's Cathedral

https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1584307220564439040?s=20&t=4qeDcN...

[Virginiá]

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1584306192670633984

[TiltsAreUnderrated]

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1584306192670633984

Apparently, there was a segment afterwards where he said it was a joke and he didn't mean it (wink!). RT just fired him, so the higher-ups didn't find it funny.

I think the incitement of hatred towards Ukrainians who are ethnically/linguistically Russian - and the time Krasovsky takes to differentiate "normal" Ukrainians from these people - highlights a really concerning aspect of this war and potentially one of its causes.

The Russian state and its elites feel threatened by the prospect of people who look and sound like their underclass living better lives right across the border. Putin, in particular, experienced the consequences of this as a KGB agent in East Germany, when the wall came down and "Moscow was silent."

If this was the main casus belli, then I fear Putin has secured at least one of his main objectives in the war regardless of how things turn out. Ukraine will need time to rebuild and thrive whenever the war ends, and even if it does, the conflict will have driven a great wedge between neighbouring peoples. This allows Putin to tell Russians that Ukrainians probably can't live better than them - and that even if they can, they are fundamentally different people.

[NOVA Green]

I'm sure a crowdfunding campaign would be able to fund a replacement statue and bust. Then again, I doubt Ukraine would replace statues of Russian war heroes.

Hopefully this means the Russians are actually leaving Kherson.

Edit: The telegram post mentions "evacuating" the remains of Grigory Potemkin. It turns out Potemkin's tomb is indeed in Kherson at Saint Catherine's Cathedral

https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1584307220564439040?s=20&t=4qeDcN...

It is becoming patently clear that Russian actions in Ukraine are increasingly fitting into a deliberate pattern of Genocide.

Russia's latest invasion and occupations of Ukraine, and all of the actions conducted during their latest War Against Ukraine 2.0, appear to be clearly designed to eliminate Ukraine, not only as a sovereign nation, but also to eliminate their very identity as well, from forcing children in their occupied areas to speak Russian, forced relocation of populations, practicing ruthless torture, rape, and murder for those who oppose their rule.

"De-Nazification" of Ukraine in reality is a propaganda smokescreen so that ordinary Russians, not to mention Russian soldiers can justify their brutality, while the reality is the very elimination of Ukrainian cultural identity and being completed absorbed / assimilated into the "Russian Cultural Identity".

This is for real, and all free peoples, and free-minded peoples throughout the world need to recognize this is exactly what "Mother Russia" is attempting and actually performing.

[NOVA Green]

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1584306192670633984

It is becoming increasingly clear that Russia is actively waging a war of genocide against the Ukrainian people, as I posted a couple minutes ago.

Putin historically has used the dialing up and down of Russian Nationalism for purposes of domestic control, where vast majority of news comes from state run or affiliated media outlets.

Putin let Tigers out of cages, and now Russian Bears are fighting against their own Tigers.

Putin falls does not mean we we will see a "Free Russia", but yet clear that War in Ukraine is unlikely to end while Putin remains in power...

[Hollywood]

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1584306192670633984

It is becoming increasingly clear that Russia is actively waging a war of genocide against the Ukrainian people, as I posted a couple minutes ago.

Putin historically has used the dialing up and down of Russian Nationalism for purposes of domestic control, where vast majority of news comes from state run or affiliated media outlets.

Putin let Tigers out of cages, and now Russian Bears are fighting against their own Tigers.

Putin falls does not mean we we will see a "Free Russia", but yet clear that War in Ukraine is unlikely to end while Putin remains in power...

Genocide?  That's a good one.  Nuclear attacks and callbacks to Hitler didn't work, so time to use another buzzword.  You know the opinions on the forum and media are far more radical than the vast majority in the General Public.  I don't what they're going to do to Biden if he launches a war against a nuclear power.  It's just getting bad, and the riots in Europe are already looking pretty gruesome. 

[Kahane's Grave Is A Gender-Neutral Bathroom]

Hollywood, by supporting Putin you believe that Ukrainian """crimes""" justify the rape and murder of children.

I don't know why Virginia hasn't banned you from this thread yet.

[NOVA Green]

Not responding to an individual poster, but definitions of genocide have been clearly established by the UN in the post WW II era...

Pro Russian Trolls and Apologists can quite frankly "eff off"... still Ostrich buries head in sands, since that is their nature... Ostrich runs around outback, since that is their nature... Ostrich is major large bird with no wings, but yet acts like they are bigger birds than they are...

RUSSIA IS CLEARLY GUILTY OF THE INTERNATIONAL CRIME OF GENOCIDE, CERTAINLY AT MINIMUM WHEN IT COMES to ARTICLE (E).

According to the Convention, genocide is a crime that can take place both in time of war as
well as in time of peace. The definition contained in Article II of the Convention describes
genocide as a crime committed with the intent to destroy a national, ethnic, racial or religious
group, in whole or in part. It does not include political groups or so called “cultural genocide”.
This definition was the result of a negotiating process and reflects the compromise reached
among United Nations Member States while drafting the Convention in 1948.

The International Court of Justice (ICJ)2
 has repeatedly stated that the Convention embodies
principles that are part of general customary international law. Among those are the prohibition of genocide, as well as the obligation to prevent and punish genocide. As customary
international law, such obligations are binding on all States, whether or not they have ratified
the Genocide Convention.

https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/documents/Genocide%20Convention-FactSheet-ENG.pdf

[DINGO Joe]

https://twitter.com/IuliiaMendel/status/1584217180685488128?s=20&t=b1ybUMO4Z...

Warm weather in both Europe and the US have led to NG prices to drop dramatically,  In fact in the US, NG prices are below the same point last year.

https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/stock-market-news-today-2022-10-21/card/european-natural-gas-prices-sink-on-warm-weather-fpPBHZ8tQA2UbMv5FMv0

EU NG storage continues to build--at 93.4% of available storage at the end of last week, with Germany at 97.2%.  Weather is favorable for the build to continue for at least the next 10 days and probably longer.  It's important to note that stockpiles continue to grow without any NG via Nordstream.

https://www.celsiusenergy.net/p/european-natural-gas-inventories.html#box18

https://agsi.gie.eu/

A substantial backlog of floating LNG has formed off of the European coast for a variety of reasons, mainly hoping for better pricing in Nov or Dec, but suffice to say that the market is well supplied at the moment.

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/dozens-lng-laden-ships-queue-off-europes-coasts-unable-unload-2022-10-17/