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« Reply #625 on: May 03, 2011, 04:08:47 PM »

If I might be allowed the first native speaker intervention into this incredibly confused discussion, the issue is the third (i.e. last) syllable, which internationals pronounce as a schwa "a" like in "Maria" but which Anglophone Canadians pronounce as "-aw". As I am from Ontario, "Ottawa" rhymes in my idiolect with "saw", "macaw", etc.
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« Reply #626 on: May 03, 2011, 04:10:06 PM »

More like a "real" a than an aw, I'd have said. But that distinction often gets blurred in Americans too, so...
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« Reply #627 on: May 03, 2011, 04:11:59 PM »

Yes, if you're a posh southern Englander (or a continental English teacher trying to emulate such), it's less like "law" than, well, "far" Tongue
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« Reply #628 on: May 03, 2011, 04:14:16 PM »
« Edited: May 03, 2011, 04:15:56 PM by José Peterson »

Also, ilikeverin, in Canadian English "Howard" does not start with the same vowel as "house" or "doubt" (except the verb "house" with the voiced consonant). Canadian English raising before voiceless consonants is one of the its most distinctive features, hence all the "aboot" jokes.
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« Reply #629 on: May 03, 2011, 04:45:41 PM »

Wow, what a crazy night. At lot of upsets! And squeakers. So much close NDP races, especially in the GTA and Saskatchewan. Sad The NDP did pretty well in Toronto, and especially the Conservatives too. Or perhaps, the Liberals seriously underperformed. Of course, I hate the results, but a potential realignment election is always fun.

I'm sad Timmins-James Bay swung away from the NDP. Sad But honestly, where did the Conservatives' strength (for lack of a better term) come from in the riding? I honestly have seen no Conservative lawn signs anywhere here in Timmins. Many NDP signs, and a few Liberal ones. Strange. Also, lol at York West. Now the most Liberal riding in Toronto? That's where I live during school... I hate the MP there.
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« Reply #630 on: May 03, 2011, 04:49:47 PM »

Also, ilikeverin, in Canadian English "Howard" does not start with the same vowel as "house" or "doubt" (except the verb "house" with the voiced consonant). Canadian English raising before voiceless consonants is one of the its most distinctive features, hence all the "aboot" jokes.

Well, o/c.  I myself have Canadian raising before voiceless consonants for /aj/ Smiley But there's nothing schwa-like in the first syllable of "Howard", unless you're from way in the olden days when apparently /aw/ was always [əw].

More like a "real" a than an aw, I'd have said. But that distinction often gets blurred in Americans too, so...

Ah, yes.  Don't try to tell a Canadian or Californian that "cot" and "caught" can be pronounced differently, or else they'll get quite confused about why anyone would ever say such a thing Grin  (For that matter, don't try to tell me.  Stupid Michiganders and their stupid lack of a merger! Angry)
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« Reply #631 on: May 03, 2011, 07:29:51 PM »

It seems that last night's election confirms that once again Alberta is the best Canadian province. Smiley
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« Reply #632 on: May 03, 2011, 08:27:39 PM »

It seems that last night's election confirms that once again Alberta is the best Canadian province. Smiley

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« Reply #633 on: May 03, 2011, 08:36:27 PM »

Also, ilikeverin, in Canadian English "Howard" does not start with the same vowel as "house" or "doubt" (except the verb "house" with the voiced consonant). Canadian English raising before voiceless consonants is one of the its most distinctive features, hence all the "aboot" jokes.

Well, o/c.  I myself have Canadian raising before voiceless consonants for /aj/ Smiley But there's nothing schwa-like in the first syllable of "Howard", unless you're from way in the olden days when apparently /aw/ was always [əw].

More like a "real" a than an aw, I'd have said. But that distinction often gets blurred in Americans too, so...

Ah, yes.  Don't try to tell a Canadian or Californian that "cot" and "caught" can be pronounced differently, or else they'll get quite confused about why anyone would ever say such a thing Grin  (For that matter, don't try to tell me.  Stupid Michiganders and their stupid lack of a merger! Angry)

I really don't have any idea how they could possibly be pronounced differently.
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« Reply #634 on: May 03, 2011, 08:48:42 PM »

Also, ilikeverin, in Canadian English "Howard" does not start with the same vowel as "house" or "doubt" (except the verb "house" with the voiced consonant). Canadian English raising before voiceless consonants is one of the its most distinctive features, hence all the "aboot" jokes.

Well, o/c.  I myself have Canadian raising before voiceless consonants for /aj/ Smiley But there's nothing schwa-like in the first syllable of "Howard", unless you're from way in the olden days when apparently /aw/ was always [əw].

More like a "real" a than an aw, I'd have said. But that distinction often gets blurred in Americans too, so...

Ah, yes.  Don't try to tell a Canadian or Californian that "cot" and "caught" can be pronounced differently, or else they'll get quite confused about why anyone would ever say such a thing Grin  (For that matter, don't try to tell me.  Stupid Michiganders and their stupid lack of a merger! Angry)

I really don't have any idea how they could possibly be pronounced differently.
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« Reply #635 on: May 03, 2011, 09:43:38 PM »

cot /kɒt/
caught /kɔt/

The two are very similar vowels, and in those dialects where there is no longer a distinct difference in vowel length between the two words, I suspect the merger is inevitable.  But the way I pronounce them, they are quite distinct words.
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« Reply #636 on: May 03, 2011, 10:19:21 PM »

How do you pronounce ɒ and ɔ
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« Reply #637 on: May 03, 2011, 10:21:02 PM »

Is it like the different way british people pronounce "Knotty" and "Naughty"
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« Reply #638 on: May 03, 2011, 10:56:51 PM »

Is it like the different way british people pronounce "Knotty" and "Naughty"

Correct!  If by "British" you also mean "most everyone outside of Canada and anywhere in blue on this map".

Also, ilikeverin, in Canadian English "Howard" does not start with the same vowel as "house" or "doubt" (except the verb "house" with the voiced consonant). Canadian English raising before voiceless consonants is one of the its most distinctive features, hence all the "aboot" jokes.

Well, o/c.  I myself have Canadian raising before voiceless consonants for /aj/ Smiley But there's nothing schwa-like in the first syllable of "Howard", unless you're from way in the olden days when apparently /aw/ was always [əw].

More like a "real" a than an aw, I'd have said. But that distinction often gets blurred in Americans too, so...

Ah, yes.  Don't try to tell a Canadian or Californian that "cot" and "caught" can be pronounced differently, or else they'll get quite confused about why anyone would ever say such a thing Grin  (For that matter, don't try to tell me.  Stupid Michiganders and their stupid lack of a merger! Angry)

I really don't have any idea how they could possibly be pronounced differently.

ME NEITHER.  But Michiganders keep insisting they can be!  And sometimes when I try to make fun of them for their vowel shift I [a] when I should [ɒ] and it sounds funny Sad


The first one's actually /ɑ/, the unrounded version.  Michiganders usually have [a] for /ɑ/ and [ɒ] for /ɔ/.
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« Reply #639 on: May 04, 2011, 12:09:06 AM »

Back to the results...

Recount scheduled for Montmagny--L'Islet--Kamouraska--Rivière-du-Loup. NDP leads the Conservatives by five votes.
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« Reply #640 on: May 04, 2011, 12:53:24 AM »

Back to the results...

Recount scheduled for Montmagny--L'Islet--Kamouraska--Rivière-du-Loup. NDP leads the Conservatives by five votes.

CBC and other sources say CON incumbent Bernard Généreux is leading by 110 votes. This does not qualify for an automatic recount, but the NDP has paid for a requested one.

Where did you get "NDP leading by 5 votes" from?
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« Reply #641 on: May 04, 2011, 12:57:22 AM »

Back to the results...

Recount scheduled for Montmagny--L'Islet--Kamouraska--Rivière-du-Loup. NDP leads the Conservatives by five votes.

CBC and other sources say CON incumbent Bernard Généreux is leading by 110 votes. This does not qualify for an automatic recount, but the NDP has paid for a requested one.

Where did you get "NDP leading by 5 votes" from?

http://enr.elections.ca/JudicialRecount_e.aspx
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« Reply #642 on: May 04, 2011, 03:50:07 AM »

Back to the results...

Recount scheduled for Montmagny--L'Islet--Kamouraska--Rivière-du-Loup. NDP leads the Conservatives by five votes.

CBC and other sources say CON incumbent Bernard Généreux is leading by 110 votes. This does not qualify for an automatic recount, but the NDP has paid for a requested one.

Where did you get "NDP leading by 5 votes" from?
You should follow my blog, I reported this hours ago.
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« Reply #643 on: May 04, 2011, 07:49:49 AM »

Why did the Tories do so well in New Brunswick? They won 8/10 seats. The last three elections they won 6, 3 and 2 seats respectively. I heard 2008 was due to Dion's Green Tax Shift, but why did it get even worse for them, especially since the Liberal vote held up quite well in the rest of Atlantic Canada?
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« Reply #644 on: May 04, 2011, 07:51:36 AM »

National Journal has a nice map of the results in the Ridings:

http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/05/03/infographic-how-canada-voted/
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« Reply #645 on: May 04, 2011, 07:55:06 AM »
« Edited: May 04, 2011, 08:09:20 AM by Nichlemn »

Ominous trends for Liberal Irwin Cotler in Mount Royal (Pierre Trudeau's old seat, once considered the most Liberal in Canada):

1999 by-election: 92%
2000: 81%
2004: 76%
2006: 65%
2008: 56%
2011: 41%

Cotler beat the Conservative in 2011 by just under 6 points. If the Liberals continue to degenerate, is Mount Royal a reasonably likely Conservative pick-up in 2015?


Also, anyone else have some interesting riding trivia?
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« Reply #646 on: May 04, 2011, 09:47:26 AM »

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« Reply #647 on: May 04, 2011, 09:52:50 AM »

Is it like the different way british people pronounce "Knotty" and "Naughty"

I pronounce those differently, too. Weird Canadians.
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« Reply #648 on: May 04, 2011, 11:21:21 AM »

Currently working on party vote maps by riding.
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« Reply #649 on: May 04, 2011, 12:23:59 PM »

Good Lord: the Liberals polled just 14.8% in Lester Pearson's old fief.
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