SCOTUS overturns Roe megathread (pg 53 - confirmed)

[Del Tachi]

AG Garland: States can't ban FDA-approved abortion pills on safety grounds

I hope this holds true.

This will be litigated and go before the Supreme Court. 

Pro-choice advocates should really just lay low for a few years and focus on codifying abortion rights into as many States' laws as possible.  Going the litigious route just gives Alito & Co. the opportunity to create all sorts of anti-choice precedents that will take decades to overturn.

"The DOJ has no role to play in determining what the country's abortion laws will be" said the Supreme Court today.

[GoTfan]

AG Garland: States can't ban FDA-approved abortion pills on safety grounds

I hope this holds true.

This will be litigated and go before the Supreme Court. 

Pro-choice advocates should really just lay low for a few years and focus on codifying abortion rights into as many States' laws as possible.  Going the litigious route just gives Alito & Co. the opportunity to create all sorts of anti-choice precedents that will take decades to overturn.

"The DOJ has no role to play in determining what the country's abortion laws will be" said the Supreme Court today.

They're more justified in it than the theocrats running the court.

[Skill and Chance]

Can France and the UK take the Northeast back under their control, please? I think independence was a mistake.

But really, is it weird that the 6-3 decision actually makes me feel a little better than a 5-4 decision would have? It suggests to me that this was inevitable.

I've said it before, but with all the speculation of how the makeup of the court would be if Ginsburg retired, Garland was confirmed, or Clinton elected I don't think any of that would have led to a majority decision upholding Roe/Casey. I don't think a 5-4 liberal court was ever in the cards-things just don't work out that well for our side ever.

If we ever were to get a majority on the court it would probably have involved either, or both, of the 1988 and 2000 elections going the other way. And even then, considering the butterfly effect, who knows what other consequences would have happened.

We have no choice but to just try and stop things from getting even worse. That's all we can do. Too many Americans lacked the foresight to see this coming in nearly ever past election, save for 2020, and I can only hope that those who care about reproductive rights actually remain proactive, politically, in the future. We only seem to learn lessons as a country when we are already in the abyss. And even then, that's me being optimistic.

I have always thought that this country was doomed from the start, but it's getting ridiculous now and I still can't shake the feeling that things are still going to get even worse. Can you really blame me for thinking that?

AG Garland: States can't ban FDA-approved abortion pills on safety grounds

For now...

Guns now have more rights in the US than women.

"The GOP treat objects like women, man!"

The 2000 election was irrelevant for SCOTUS.  No one left the Court until 2005.  2004 and 2016 were the big ones, assuming Kerry or Clinton would have had a cooperative senate.

[wesmoorenerd]

https://twitter.com/SenatorRomney/status/1540369075964092419?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoo...

This just pisses me off. If you really believe that abortion is murder and that the lives of the unborn are sacrosanct, then pushing it back to the states is an egregious cop-out and an abdication of responsibility. It reveals gross inconsistencies in the pro-life line of "thinking" (and thinking is a generous term to use.)

[jojoju1998]

https://twitter.com/SenatorRomney/status/1540369075964092419?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoo...

This just pisses me off. If you really believe that abortion is murder and that the lives of the unborn are sacrosanct, then pushing it back to the states is an egregious cop-out and an abdication of responsibility. It reveals gross inconsistencies in the pro-life line of "thinking" (and thinking is a generous term to use.)

Because they know a total abortion ban won't pass at all.

So they kick it to the states, creating chaos and confusion.

[Progressive Pessimist]

Can France and the UK take the Northeast back under their control, please? I think independence was a mistake.

But really, is it weird that the 6-3 decision actually makes me feel a little better than a 5-4 decision would have? It suggests to me that this was inevitable.

I've said it before, but with all the speculation of how the makeup of the court would be if Ginsburg retired, Garland was confirmed, or Clinton elected I don't think any of that would have led to a majority decision upholding Roe/Casey. I don't think a 5-4 liberal court was ever in the cards-things just don't work out that well for our side ever.

If we ever were to get a majority on the court it would probably have involved either, or both, of the 1988 and 2000 elections going the other way. And even then, considering the butterfly effect, who knows what other consequences would have happened.

We have no choice but to just try and stop things from getting even worse. That's all we can do. Too many Americans lacked the foresight to see this coming in nearly ever past election, save for 2020, and I can only hope that those who care about reproductive rights actually remain proactive, politically, in the future. We only seem to learn lessons as a country when we are already in the abyss. And even then, that's me being optimistic.

I have always thought that this country was doomed from the start, but it's getting ridiculous now and I still can't shake the feeling that things are still going to get even worse. Can you really blame me for thinking that?

AG Garland: States can't ban FDA-approved abortion pills on safety grounds

For now...

Guns now have more rights in the US than women.

"The GOP treat objects like women, man!"

The 2000 election was irrelevant for SCOTUS.  No one left the Court until 2005.  2004 and 2016 were the big ones, assuming Kerry or Clinton would have had a cooperative senate.

I look at it in a butterfly effect way. Gore winning would have likely altered who was President from 2004 on (I doubt Democrats would have won in 2004 in that circumstance either) and maybe the GOP would have gone in a different direction for that election and appointed less terrible justices, if they got to appoint any at all. I don't know, it's all speculation, probably worthless speculation, but that election still bothers me since it put us on track in general for where we are today, beyond the Supreme Court. I insist that things generally would have been better today if Bush never won.

[Benjamin Frank]

Has this been posted here yet:

“Some House Republicans who oppose abortion rights are pushing legislation to implement a nationwide abortion ban at 15 weeks, coming just hours after the Supreme Court released its opinion overturning Roe v. Wade,” CNN reports.

“The legislation appears unlikely to advance in the Senate in the near future — due in part to the 60 votes needed to overcome a filibuster. Still, the early discussions represent the excitement energizing opponents of abortion rights, eager to capitalize on Friday’s victory.”

I'm not sure why Republicans would support this. If Democrats can negotiate a little around the edges on the strictness of the ban at 15 weeks, i.e certain exceptions for the life and physical health of the mother, that would be a reasonable compromise given the situation and that there be no trickery before 15 weeks on 'regulating' abortion clinics or limiting abortion access. 91% of all abortions occur within the first trimester and 15 weeks would obviously be higher.

Federal law supercedes any state law. So, Alabama, for instance, would go back to having legal abortion to 15 weeks.

I'm not sure why Republicans would support this. It would send a strong message to social conservatives that Republican politicians don't actually want to outright ban abortion.  

[Ferguson97]

https://twitter.com/lyzl/status/1540490191080771586

Nothing says "pro-life" like attempted vehicular manslaughter!

[Yoda]

Anyone here who is pro-choice but believes that it should be a legislative matter?

No. A woman's autonomy of her own body is a divine right, not one to be granted or restricted by any government.

[Person Man]

everything only gets worse forever

watch them come for gay marriage next

Things will stop getting worse. That is when the decline turns into the fall.

[Person Man]

https://twitter.com/lyzl/status/1540490191080771586

Nothing says "pro-life" like attempted vehicular manslaughter!

We were so concerned about the left-wing terrorism that we forgot about the right wing terrorism. And worse; it works.

[rwoy]

Masturbation is murder.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

https://twitter.com/lyzl/status/1540490191080771586

Nothing says "pro-life" like attempted vehicular manslaughter!

As someone who is firmly pro-life, I say this guy should face the full weight of the law. If you're pro-life, you should act like it at least on the most basic level by avoiding literally murdering peaceful protestors.

[Yoda]

Right on cue, MTG calling the peaceful protest outside of SCOTUS an "insurrection." The republican party really is populated by the dumbest people on the f****** planet.

[GM Team Member and Deputy PPT WB]

just reposting what I've said on twitter here:

If you're actually "pro-life" (aka, also anti-death penalty, pro-strong safety net, etc), I won't agree with you on abortion, but at least I'll respect you.

I have no respect for people who call themselves "pro-life" when they're just pro-birth.

[Progressive Pessimist]

https://twitter.com/lyzl/status/1540490191080771586

Nothing says "pro-life" like attempted vehicular manslaughter!

We were so concerned about the left-wing terrorism that we forgot about the right wing terrorism.

This country is broken, and it's so damn sad.

[Fuzzy Bear Loves Christian Missionaries]

Our God IS an Awesome God!

[GeorgiaModerate]

https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1540514660092465152

[GoTfan]

Our God IS an Awesome God!

This decision is only ging to drive younger people further and further away from religion. You do realise that?

[HillGoose]

https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1540514660092465152

Oh man the Russians are out in full force tonight huh

[DaleCooper]

Our God IS an Awesome God!

Profiting off the name of the Lord is satanic.

[Bleach Blonde Bad Built Butch Bodies for Biden]

AG Garland: States can't ban FDA-approved abortion pills on safety grounds

I hope this holds true.

This will be litigated and go before the Supreme Court. 

Pro-choice advocates should really just lay low for a few years and focus on codifying abortion rights into as many States' laws as possible.  Going the litigious route just gives Alito & Co. the opportunity to create all sorts of anti-choice precedents that will take decades to overturn.

"The DOJ has no role to play in determining what the country's abortion laws will be" said the Supreme Court today.

Democratic presidents will eventually start ignoring this court as illegitimate. Abortion pills will be legal in most states and even if a state bans them, women will still get them the same way I get my pot.

[DrScholl]

https://twitter.com/lyzl/status/1540490191080771586

Nothing says "pro-life" like attempted vehicular manslaughter!

The "pro-life" movement isn't about life, it is about control. It's crazy that they got what they wanted and they are still angry enough to run people over.

[Fuzzy Bear Loves Christian Missionaries]

Our God IS an Awesome God!

This decision is only ging to drive younger people further and further away from religion. You do realise that?

Four people to date have recommended this, none of which have a history of caring what God might thing enough to change their mind on an issue.  I take these assessments with a grain of salt.  

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

The Lord is all-seeing, all-knowing. It is perfectly possible He has arranged for this to happen. I can't say anything certain either way of course.