SCOTUS overturns Roe megathread (pg 53 - confirmed)

[Ferguson97]

To be fair I am far more ideological than the average voter and really dont care much about the "vibes" part of politics really.

Literally this morning...

I think I have always said if Trump behaved better as President, I absolutely would have voted for him in 2020. His polices were not the reason I decided to go with a write in vote in 2020

[ηєω ƒяσηтιєя]

He should have pressured Ginsburg to retire in 2013/14.

She and Biden-Collins voters in Maine at least deserve some blame for this as well.

Obama did pressure RBG to retire back then. However, RBG wanted to be "replaced by a female president" and she thought that Hillary was going to win in 2016.

Just a completely ignorant & catastrophic decision by RBG.

[GP270watch]

I woke up in the 21st century, I'll be going to sleep in the 18th.

 Alito's bogus legal justifications go even further back than the 18th century.

[OSR stands with Israel]

To be fair I am far more ideological than the average voter and really dont care much about the "vibes" part of politics really.

Literally this morning...

I think I have always said if Trump behaved better as President, I absolutely would have voted for him in 2020. His polices were not the reason I decided to go with a write in vote in 2020

Behavior is not exactly "Vibes" though as character matters in leadership qualities. Like much of the "populist right" vibes Trump gave of could have been given off without him showing a complete lack of character .

So Basically see Ron DeSantis or in other countries see Pierre Poilievre

[Beet]

The reality is, all court decisions are judges "making up stuff". If it wasn't, there would be no need for judges, since the Constitution would be self-explanatory and the text itself would simply resolve all disputes. But of course, a document written 235 years ago cannot possibly account for the life and times of a country of 330 million people today. Yes, there's an amendment process, but it's far too unwieldy as replacing judicial review with amendments would result in possibly passing a new amendment for every court dispute touching on a constitutional issue (or potentially, thousands of amendments at the last, depending on how much leeway you want to give to judges, which is again, not a clear or easy matter). Thus, as a matter of practicality, judges have progressively built upon a body of common law that sits on top of the Constitution, in line with the tradition of English common law.

Thus, the notion of "I read the constitution and there's no guarantee of abortion/gay rights/interracial marriage/one man one vote, etc." is from this view nonsensical, as you would also have to reference common law precedent, which does now speak to these issues.

How does it speak to these issues? The how, in modern times, does largely depend on politics. Judges have political opinions, and although they may hide them for political reasons (especially during confirmation hearing) they still allow them great and perhaps decisive influence over their decisions. This is merely a result of being human. Thus the judicial branch is largely a political branch, whether you like it or not. Admitting that it is political does not necessarily mean that it is illegitimate; it is as legitimate as the other branches, which are also political. It just means that the notion that one side is "objectively right" or that there is some kind of "objectively right" way to interpret the Constitution totally independent of the social and political conditions of the time is an illusion.

[afleitch]

Well I never thought I'd be 'radicalised' into a new position on abortion.

I always maintained that it was primarily a medical/healthcare issue, in line with UK thinking, our 1968 Act etc rather than a rights and an access to rights issue. But I am seeing it differently now, particularly in a US context. I have to reappraise my position domestically to ensure that there is no attempt at lobbying or backsliding at home.

It was an expected decision, but a deeply disturbing one. It's not the end; the tentacles of Big Pro-Life and the Republican Fertility Cult will reach into the bedroom and the pharmacy and the doctors office soon enough. I wish I could help. I wish I could do something.

[wesmoorenerd]

This is a wonderful start!

Yeah, you just won't stop until we've completely replicated Gilead, will you? My God, when is it going to be enough for you?

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

It's not gonna mean much because in 2016 when Roe was on the ballot voters chose guns over Abortion, it's gonna just reaffirm the blue and red divide we have now, because all the blue states have available access like Cali for abortion anyone can go through Cali to get married if they are gay or HI or have an Abortion

The red states already made their verdictHillary was about to put Garland on the Crt and he would have banned not guns but concealed weapons

[The Dowager Mod]

I will not be doing any moderation on this thread, unlike Clarence Thomas I know when to recuse myself, there is no way in hell I can objectively do my job here.

[Cashew]

Lastly, a lot of progressives salty about Cisneros losing have been eagerly using this ruling to attack Democrats, as though we're only just now realizing that Cuellar being pro-life is bad.  Like just stop.  Cisneros was a terrible candidate, and as her post-loss bitching and conspiracy-mongering temper tantrum have shown, we absolutely dodged a bullet.  She was so bad that she lost in a primary to a pro-life Dem three times but we're supposed to be confident that she could win a D+5 district in a red wave year?  Democrats don't like that Cuellar is pro-life, but he's a representative so it doesn't really matter, and they didn't want to lose the seat.  This is the obvious reason why the party turned out for Cuellar but progressives refuse to accept it and instead insist it was some grand conspiracy where the party is secretly pro-life.  Grow up.
 Because they understand that just voting consistently is enough to get most of that they want.

Did you tell people to grow up when they attacked Bernie for backing a pro life mayoral candidate in Omaha?

[Coldstream]

Everything Hillary Clinton said in 2016 was right.

[Politician]

The progressive and moderate wings of the Democratic Party on Atlas are at full-on civil war and I am sitting here laughing my ass off over it.

[Hermit For Peace]

This is the first thing good that has happened politically in a very long time. Cheers for the SC for correcting their previous error and not being a slave to "precedent".

In your opinion, why do you think this is a good thing? Just asking. Many women and the men who impregnated them probably don't agree with you.

[afleitch]

The progressive and moderate wings of the Democratic Party on Atlas are at full-on civil war and I am sitting here laughing my ass off over it.

That says more about you than it does about them.

[wbrocks67]

The progressive and moderate wings of the Democratic Party on Atlas are at full-on civil war and I am sitting here laughing my ass off over it.

"Progressives" have been more upset at Democrats about this and the GOP who literal just did this today. It's absolutely astounding to me. Priorities are just so ridiculous.

[It’s so Joever]

Well progressives get to see what happens without Cuellar in that district anyways, so hope they like it.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

So if you want an interesting gauge on public opinion for this and how it might impact elections directly, look toward Kansas. A couple years ago the Kansas Supreme Court issued their own state level Roe v. Wade equivalent decision. So the Legislature pushed for and passed a constitutional amendment that would state explicitly there is no right to an abortion in the Kansas Constitution. It would not ban abortion itself, just leave the option open. It's being voted on the same date as the primary, I think in August.

Kansas is obviously a pretty conservative state, but with the sort of backlash we've seen it may fail even there. Also since it's not a vote on banning abortion but simply making that an option, it's basically a vote just on the issue and not on any specific proposal.

One thing's for sure, it's pretty important that it fails because look at a map. Kansas could be the only "haven" for a very large area.

[Alben Barkley]

Everything Hillary Clinton said in 2016 was right.

[LAB-LIB]

This isn't going to have an impact on the midterms, it will be forgotten about within two weeks.

[Alben Barkley]

https://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/3536242-taylor-swift-absolutely-terrified-by-roe-decision/

[Alben Barkley]

This isn't going to have an impact on the midterms, it will be forgotten about within two weeks.

Texas is making it an annual holiday so I doubt that...

[Person Man]

So if you want an interesting gauge on public opinion for this and how it might impact elections directly, look toward Kansas. A couple years ago the Kansas Supreme Court issued their own state level Roe v. Wade equivalent decision. So the Legislature pushed for and passed a constitutional amendment that would state explicitly there is no right to an abortion in the Kansas Constitution. It would not ban abortion itself, just leave the option open. It's being voted on the same date as the primary, I think in August.

Kansas is obviously a pretty conservative state, but with the sort of backlash we've seen it may fail even there. Also since it's not a vote on banning abortion but simply making that an option, it's basically a vote just on the issue and not on any specific proposal.

One thing's for sure, it's pretty important that it fails because look at a map. Kansas could be the only "haven" for a very large area.

I have been looking for opinion polls about this for a while. Are there any?

[Fmr. Gov. NickG]

Interesting that the US markets appeared to respond very positively to this decision.  They are up about 3% today across the board.  I wonder what is predictions about the implications of this are underlying that.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

https://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/3536242-taylor-swift-absolutely-terrified-by-roe-decision/

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LOL. Considering the quality of such comments this is obviously no loss. However Facebook and Twitter are obviously no improvement.

[RodPresident]

https://twitter.com/crampell/status/1540383691280904192

Cheaper than pay maternity benefits.