SCOTUS overturns Roe megathread (pg 53 - confirmed)

[Person Man]

So if you want an interesting gauge on public opinion for this and how it might impact elections directly, look toward Kansas. A couple years ago the Kansas Supreme Court issued their own state level Roe v. Wade equivalent decision. So the Legislature pushed for and passed a constitutional amendment that would state explicitly there is no right to an abortion in the Kansas Constitution. It would not ban abortion itself, just leave the option open. It's being voted on the same date as the primary, I think in August.

Kansas is obviously a pretty conservative state, but with the sort of backlash we've seen it may fail even there. Also since it's not a vote on banning abortion but simply making that an option, it's basically a vote just on the issue and not on any specific proposal.

One thing's for sure, it's pretty important that it fails because look at a map. Kansas could be the only "haven" for a very large area.

I have been looking for opinion polls about this for a while. Are there any?

[Fmr. Gov. NickG]

Interesting that the US markets appeared to respond very positively to this decision.  They are up about 3% today across the board.  I wonder what is predictions about the implications of this are underlying that.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

https://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/3536242-taylor-swift-absolutely-terrified-by-roe-decision/

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LOL. Considering the quality of such comments this is obviously no loss. However Facebook and Twitter are obviously no improvement.

[RodPresident]

https://twitter.com/crampell/status/1540383691280904192

Cheaper than pay maternity benefits.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Interesting that the US markets appeared to respond very positively to this decision.  They are up about 3% today across the board.  I wonder what is predictions about the implications of this are underlying that.

Correlation =/= causation

[Omega21]

As most Europeans, I'm for < 3 Month abortions.

However, I do think people are overreacting (talking about the "I need to take a day off, and the "shaking rn" crowd). All this says is that abortion isn't constitutionally protected. Most states will continue to allow it.

[Person Man]

I will not be doing any moderation on this thread, unlike Clarence Thomas I know when to recuse myself, there is no way in hell I can objectively do my job here.

Either way, people knew this was gonna happen and need to be responsible for. Whatever happens, it’s on them. Go have a beer. I bet that’s what Kavanaugh is doing right now.

[GALeftist]

As most Europeans, I'm for < 3 Month abortions.

However, I do think people are overreacting (talking about the "I need to take a day off, and the "shaking rn" crowd). All this says is that abortion isn't constitutionally protected. Most states will continue to allow it.

lol at the bolded

[Buffalo Mayor Young Kim]

What the heck, this actually happened? I know it was out there and shouldn't be much of a surprise, though I still had hope it may not occur. Welcome back to the 1950s!

The only thing that really accomplishes is that poor women in red states can no longer afford abortions. If you make enough money, it's still possible to go a blue state or Canada. This is just cruel and makes no sense other than scoring political points.

Obama calls for activits to fight:

https://twitter.com/BarackObama/status/1540340642848690176

 Why didn't Obama fight when we elected him?

https://twitter.com/shaun_vids/status/1540372577985728512

He should have pressured Ginsburg to retire in 2013/14.

She and Biden-Collins voters in Maine at least deserve some blame for this as well.

He did. Ginsburg didn't listen. I was a huge Ginsburg fan, but her decision to stay on the Court is on her, not Obama. He literally had lunch with her where he said he was going to lose the Senate and she stayed b/c she wanted to be 93 years old or something before she left the Court. It's her fault. A tragic mistake that will undo a lot of what she spent her great career fighting for.

She should have retired but it also doesn’t matter.
Court packing is the only thing that will fix the American judiciary after 2016 and it’s been preemptively ruled out because high minded principles of fairness demand that we live under the arbitrary rule of John Roberts.

[Omega21]

As most Europeans, I'm for < 3 Month abortions.

However, I do think people are overreacting (talking about the "I need to take a day off, and the "shaking rn" crowd). All this says is that abortion isn't constitutionally protected. Most states will continue to allow it.

lol at the bolded

Don't quite understand what you mean?

You think abortion will be fully outlawed in 25+ states?

[Stockdale for Veep]

US needs a new motto.

"In theory, this system looks amazing."

[TheDeadFlagBlues]

This isn't going to have an impact on the midterms, it will be forgotten about within two weeks.

Spoken like a man who has never had sex before.

[Gass3268]

Dane County DA will not enforce Wisconsin's ban.

https://twitter.com/jessieopie/status/1540404991885705223?s=20&t=C-AuXvnsifY...

Won't a lot of these bans be mostly ineffective since most cities have Democratic DAs who aren't going to enforce any bans?

https://twitter.com/sbauerAP/status/1540433238749249536?s=20&t=C-AuXvnsifYMP...

[Angel of Death]

Anyone here who is pro-choice but believes that it should be a legislative matter?

[Horus]

As most Europeans, I'm for < 3 Month abortions.

However, I do think people are overreacting (talking about the "I need to take a day off, and the "shaking rn" crowd). All this says is that abortion isn't constitutionally protected. Most states will continue to allow it.

lol at the bolded

Don't quite understand what you mean?

You think abortion will be fully outlawed in 25+ states?

A solid 10-15, with another 5 or so getting questionably close. The next few years will not be pretty for reproductive health.

Federally we'll eventually settle on abortions in the first 2-3 months + rape/incest/life of mother, though it will take at least another generation. Or perhaps we will reach a point where new forms of birth control eliminate the need for abortions completely and the issue finally goes away.

[Mad Deadly Worldwide Communist Gangster Computer God]

As most Europeans, I'm for < 3 Month abortions.

However, I do think people are overreacting (talking about the "I need to take a day off, and the "shaking rn" crowd). All this says is that abortion isn't constitutionally protected. Most states will continue to allow it.

lol at the bolded

Don't quite understand what you mean?

You think abortion will be fully outlawed in 25+ states?

Depends. If the GOP regains their trifectas in several states, and/or defeats the sitting AG in Wisconsin, there will be more restrictions for sure.

But I've given up on making predictions. What I'm confident about is that today is not the final word on abortion, we will be hearing about it through November and beyond, Biden is in the process of preparing executive orders to do what he can do in his power, and in August there is a ballot initiative to bar abortion protections from the Constitution (it wouldn't ban abortion, but it would return the issue to the legislature and if the GOP regains the trifecta in November, banning abortion will be one of their first priorities).

It will be interesting to see where that referendum in Kansas goes. But today's news will absolutely boost turnout from the pro-choice side there and neither result would surprise me.

[ultraviolet]

Anyone here who is pro-choice but believes that it should be a legislative matter?

If Congress really wanted to they could easily create a Constitutionally sound law protecting abortion. It’s obviously not going to happen now but it could down the road.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Um...wow. This was unexpected.

https://twitter.com/SenBobCasey/status/1540345011941900289

[KaiserDave]

Um...wow. This was unexpected.

https://twitter.com/SenBobCasey/status/1540345011941900289

Not unexpected really, he's been functionally pro choice for years.

In any case this is a disgraceful, disgusting ruling from a crooked increasingly reactionary body. And the far-right organizational effort behind this is just getting started. Massive threat to free society. Horrific.

[Buffalo Mayor Young Kim]

Anyone here who is pro-choice but believes that it should be a legislative matter?

No because Roe is a part of a large body of jurisprudence around substantive due process that underpins several landmark cases. EG Griswold, Lawerence, Obergefell

But the point is moot anyway because we don’t have a functioning legislative branch.

[Omega21]

As most Europeans, I'm for < 3 Month abortions.

However, I do think people are overreacting (talking about the "I need to take a day off, and the "shaking rn" crowd). All this says is that abortion isn't constitutionally protected. Most states will continue to allow it.

lol at the bolded

Don't quite understand what you mean?

You think abortion will be fully outlawed in 25+ states?

A solid 10-15, with another 5 or so getting questionably close. The next few years will not be pretty for reproductive health.

Federally we'll eventually settle on abortions in the first 2-3 months + rape/incest/life of mother, though it will take at least another generation. Or perhaps we will reach a point where new forms of birth control eliminate the need for abortions completely and the issue finally goes away.

This is the only sane position anyway. 3/4 Months is plenty to get it done.

Allowing Late-term abortions w/o medical reasons is insane.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Actually this is far more unexpected than Casey (even if it's a pretty milquetoast statement):

https://twitter.com/Sen_JoeManchin/status/1540349633683230720?t=zqTOjrjG9lTcYZBt...

[Buffalo Mayor Young Kim]

Actually this is far more unexpected than Casey (even if it's a pretty milquetoast statement):

https://twitter.com/Sen_JoeManchin/status/1540349633683230720?t=zqTOjrjG9lTcYZBt...

He won’t do a damn thing about it, so he can shove his statement the same place Princess CrossFit puts hers

[hyouzel the predictor]

Actually this is far more unexpected than Casey (even if it's a pretty milquetoast statement):

https://twitter.com/Sen_JoeManchin/status/1540349633683230720?t=zqTOjrjG9lTcYZBt...

Ain't no way these moderate senators that voted to confirm Kavanaugh genuinely believed what he said about Roe being settled law....

[hyouzel the predictor]

There is absolutely zero chance that there is any violence against churches or Christians in the wake of this decision.