COVID-19 Megathread 6: Return of the Omicron

[CEO Mindset]

quite interesting how biden timed his speech to coincide with when cases peaked/started declining for this wave so he can take credit

[Former Dean Phillips Supporters for Haley (I guess???!?) 👁️]

Got my first Pfizer shot today.

Although there is no COVID-19 in Western Australia still glad to get this process underway.

Arm is a bit sore, but apart from that, feeling fine.

21 days until my 2nd shot.

Don't get your 2nd shot in 21 days (unless for some reason you have to).

There is evidence that if you have a longer interval between your first and second shot, you will end up with longer lasting/more effective immunity (and specifically so for the Pfizer vaccine).

I'd suggest researching further yourself, but as a starting point:

https://www.businessinsider.com/delay-second-dose-pfizer-covid-coronavirus-vaccine-immune-response-study-2021-7

Giving the second dose of Pfizer's two-dose COVID-19 vaccine eight weeks after the first is the "sweet spot" to protect against the fast-spreading Delta variant, a UK research group has said.

A study posted Friday, led by Oxford University, found that delaying the second dose up to 10 weeks boosted antibodies and "helper" T cells  that support the immune system higher than giving it at three weeks, as recommended by Pfizer.

Two doses of Pfizer's shot boosted immune responses higher than one dose, no matter the time between doses, the study authors from the universities of Oxford, Newcastle, Liverpool, Sheffield, and Birmingham added. Waiting longer to get a second dose presents a trade-off because people are less protected against the coronavirus after just one shot.

So especially given that there is no outbreak in Western Australia, it makes sense to wait up to ~8 weeks or so for the #2. If you were in the midst of a raging outbreak, it might be a slightly harder call, but luckily for you, you are not! Hopefully it stays that way for a while.

[emailking]

1900 deaths today. A wave record by a lot.

Turns out this was 2100 deaths after backfills. Yikes.

[jamestroll]

Watch this powerful video.. it will explain to yall why I have been skeptical of covid mitigation measures and fear they will be around for ever.

It's a powerful video

https://youtu.be/G6qfWJjvN2I

[ꙮ]

Watch this powerful video.. it will explain to yall why I have been skeptical of covid mitigation measures and fear they will be around for ever.

It's a powerful video

https://youtu.be/G6qfWJjvN2I

wow realy makes u think

[Hammy]

1900 deaths today. A wave record by a lot.

Turns out this was 2100 deaths after backfills. Yikes.

Unfortunately not surprising. Whenever this wave peaks it'll take about 3-6 weeks for deaths to catch up, if not longer given hospitals are over-capacity, which will lead to even more deaths.

[GeorgiaModerate]

https://twitter.com/CheriJacobus/status/1437062834299473927

[CEO Mindset]

Going by how hysterical/vocal they are about it, it seems most of the vaccinated are imposing externalities on not only the unvaccinated but people who got the shot but aren't crazy with their psychotic behavior.

[lfromnj]

Watch this powerful video.. it will explain to yall why I have been skeptical of covid mitigation measures and fear they will be around for ever.

It's a powerful video

https://youtu.be/G6qfWJjvN2I

Did you mean to post People will Die?

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Covid is over for me, I don't need to constantly go to Doc to get antibiotics, there are no beds in Hospital, all you are gonna be in, sitting in a chair in a waiting room getting IV meds and sugar taken, and I can do that at home


That was before I got vaccinated

[DaleCooper]

I shared some links and commentary in the since-deleted thread on the pre-print study release on myocarditis in teenage boys that the Guardian and other infotainment outlets are sensationalizing.

That post is now lost because the thread was deleted either by forum moderators or OP, but here is a Twitter thread that gets into the details:

https://twitter.com/AngryCardio/status/1437023653443608577?s=20

Critical points:

1) I don’t think it’s reasonable to give estimates for the frequency of myocarditis/pericarditis based in this data set. No amount of adjustments will work.

2) It follows that comparison to COVID hospitalization rates are misplaced.

The media has been desperate for opportunities to sensationalize the dangers of the vaccine. First it was risks to pregnant women, then it was risks to reproductive health, then it was the 2 per million risk of often non-fatal blood clotting with J&J, then it was Guillain Barre, then it was decreased antibodies, and now it's this. There'll be more.

[emailking]

That post is now lost because the thread was deleted either by forum moderators or OP, but here is a Twitter thread that gets into the details:

I don't think OP can delete the thread unless also a mod.

[GeorgiaModerate]

That post is now lost because the thread was deleted either by forum moderators or OP, but here is a Twitter thread that gets into the details:

I don't think OP can delete the thread unless also a mod.

I have a 'remove topic' button on threads I've created, and I've never been a mod.

[Person Man]

I shared some links and commentary in the since-deleted thread on the pre-print study release on myocarditis in teenage boys that the Guardian and other infotainment outlets are sensationalizing.

That post is now lost because the thread was deleted either by forum moderators or OP, but here is a Twitter thread that gets into the details:

https://twitter.com/AngryCardio/status/1437023653443608577?s=20

Critical points:

1) I don’t think it’s reasonable to give estimates for the frequency of myocarditis/pericarditis based in this data set. No amount of adjustments will work.

2) It follows that comparison to COVID hospitalization rates are misplaced.

The media has been desperate for opportunities to sensationalize the dangers of the vaccine. First it was risks to pregnant women, then it was risks to reproductive health, then it was the 2 per million risk of often non-fatal blood clotting with J&J, then it was Guillain Barre, then it was decreased antibodies, and now it's this. There'll be more.

The press needs to be held accountable for killing people.

[emailking]

That post is now lost because the thread was deleted either by forum moderators or OP, but here is a Twitter thread that gets into the details:

I don't think OP can delete the thread unless also a mod.

I have a 'remove topic' button on threads I've created, and I've never been a mod.

Hmm, I don't. Just eMail Topic and Print.

[GeorgiaModerate]

That post is now lost because the thread was deleted either by forum moderators or OP, but here is a Twitter thread that gets into the details:

I don't think OP can delete the thread unless also a mod.

I have a 'remove topic' button on threads I've created, and I've never been a mod.

Hmm, I don't. Just eMail Topic and Print.

At the bottom left of the page. There’s a lock/unlock button next to it.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

I shared some links and commentary in the since-deleted thread on the pre-print study release on myocarditis in teenage boys that the Guardian and other infotainment outlets are sensationalizing.

That post is now lost because the thread was deleted either by forum moderators or OP, but here is a Twitter thread that gets into the details:

https://twitter.com/AngryCardio/status/1437023653443608577?s=20

Critical points:

1) I don’t think it’s reasonable to give estimates for the frequency of myocarditis/pericarditis based in this data set. No amount of adjustments will work.

2) It follows that comparison to COVID hospitalization rates are misplaced.

The media has been desperate for opportunities to sensationalize the dangers of the vaccine. First it was risks to pregnant women, then it was risks to reproductive health, then it was the 2 per million risk of often non-fatal blood clotting with J&J, then it was Guillain Barre, then it was decreased antibodies, and now it's this. There'll be more.

The press needs to be held accountable for killing people.

Sure. Their trial can start right after sentencing for Republicans is finished.

[Hammy]

I shared some links and commentary in the since-deleted thread on the pre-print study release on myocarditis in teenage boys that the Guardian and other infotainment outlets are sensationalizing.

That post is now lost because the thread was deleted either by forum moderators or OP, but here is a Twitter thread that gets into the details:

https://twitter.com/AngryCardio/status/1437023653443608577?s=20

Critical points:

1) I don’t think it’s reasonable to give estimates for the frequency of myocarditis/pericarditis based in this data set. No amount of adjustments will work.

2) It follows that comparison to COVID hospitalization rates are misplaced.

The media has been desperate for opportunities to sensationalize the dangers of the vaccine. First it was risks to pregnant women, then it was risks to reproductive health, then it was the 2 per million risk of often non-fatal blood clotting with J&J, then it was Guillain Barre, then it was decreased antibodies, and now it's this. There'll be more.

So this was yet another risk that was dramatically overblown, as with every other vaccine risk? They need to stop pushing these stories before there is peer review because there were some others (I've unfortunately forgotten which) that turned out to be incorrect after they'd made a big spectacle.

[Hammy]

Another person dies unnecessarily due to antivax hospital crowding:

https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/13/us/alabama-heart-patient-icu-shortage/index.html

[WMS]

Another person dies unnecessarily due to antivax hospital crowding:

https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/13/us/alabama-heart-patient-icu-shortage/index.html

Freedom* isn’t free**.

*to be a disease vector
**although I bet a lot of those unvaccinated patients clogging up the hospitals think national health care is a socialist plot***
***but will still pay nothing for their time in the hospital

[compucomp]

Covid booster: Data shows third shots 'not appropriate' at this time, scientists say

An expert review of scientific evidence to date has concluded that Covid-19 vaccine booster shots are not needed at this time for the general public, a group of leading U.S. and international scientists said Monday in the peer-reviewed journal The Lancet.

The conclusion by scientists, including two senior Food and Drug Administration officials and the World Health Organization, came as studies continue to show the authorized Covid vaccines in the U.S. remain highly effective against severe disease and hospitalization caused by the fast-spreading delta variant.

While Covid vaccine effectiveness against mild disease may wane over time, protection against severe disease may persist, the scientists said. That’s because the body’s immune system is complex, they said, and has other defenses besides antibodies that may protect someone from getting seriously sick.

I disagree with this 100%. You'd think scientists have learned not to tell white lies to manipulate public opinion after the "Masks don't work" and "COVID is not airborne" debacles. At least they learned a little bit and are using "boosters are not necessary" rather than "boosters don't work" since they clearly work. There's also been no additional safety issue associated with boosters. Since the US has zero problems supplying vaccine now, necessity is not a reason to withhold boosters, especially since they can bring immunity levels to sterilizing immunity.

Also, if Biden actually withholds boosters so the US can supply vaccines to other countries, then he should be impeached and removed from office.

[Vaccinated Russian Bear]

Covid booster: Data shows third shots 'not appropriate' at this time, scientists say

An expert review of scientific evidence to date has concluded that Covid-19 vaccine booster shots are not needed at this time for the general public, a group of leading U.S. and international scientists said Monday in the peer-reviewed journal The Lancet.

The conclusion by scientists, including two senior Food and Drug Administration officials and the World Health Organization, came as studies continue to show the authorized Covid vaccines in the U.S. remain highly effective against severe disease and hospitalization caused by the fast-spreading delta variant.

While Covid vaccine effectiveness against mild disease may wane over time, protection against severe disease may persist, the scientists said. That’s because the body’s immune system is complex, they said, and has other defenses besides antibodies that may protect someone from getting seriously sick.

I disagree with this 100%. You'd think scientists have learned not to tell white lies to manipulate public opinion after the "Masks don't work" and "COVID is not airborne" debacles. At least they learned a little bit and are using "boosters are not necessary" rather than "boosters don't work" since they clearly work. There's also been no additional safety issue associated with boosters. Since the US has zero problems supplying vaccine now, necessity is not a reason to withhold boosters, especially since they can bring immunity levels to sterilizing immunity.

Also, if Biden actually withholds boosters so the US can supply vaccines to other countries, then he should be impeached and removed from office.

They didn't say, boosters didn't work, so you disagree with a straw man.

They say "booster shots are not needed at this time for the general public" which is what ECDC/EMA has concluded, too.

Biden's decision is purely political answer [in order to look tough/like he's actually do something about it] to his own/Dem/Medias fear-mongering.

[compucomp]

Covid booster: Data shows third shots 'not appropriate' at this time, scientists say

An expert review of scientific evidence to date has concluded that Covid-19 vaccine booster shots are not needed at this time for the general public, a group of leading U.S. and international scientists said Monday in the peer-reviewed journal The Lancet.

The conclusion by scientists, including two senior Food and Drug Administration officials and the World Health Organization, came as studies continue to show the authorized Covid vaccines in the U.S. remain highly effective against severe disease and hospitalization caused by the fast-spreading delta variant.

While Covid vaccine effectiveness against mild disease may wane over time, protection against severe disease may persist, the scientists said. That’s because the body’s immune system is complex, they said, and has other defenses besides antibodies that may protect someone from getting seriously sick.

I disagree with this 100%. You'd think scientists have learned not to tell white lies to manipulate public opinion after the "Masks don't work" and "COVID is not airborne" debacles. At least they learned a little bit and are using "boosters are not necessary" rather than "boosters don't work" since they clearly work. There's also been no additional safety issue associated with boosters. Since the US has zero problems supplying vaccine now, necessity is not a reason to withhold boosters, especially since they can bring immunity levels to sterilizing immunity.

Also, if Biden actually withholds boosters so the US can supply vaccines to other countries, then he should be impeached and removed from office.

They didn't say, boosters didn't work, so you disagree with a straw man.

They say "booster shots are not needed at this time for the general public" which is what ECDC/EMA has concluded, too.

Biden's decision is purely political answer [in order to look tough/like he's actually do something about it] to his own/Dem/Medias fear-mongering.

As I said, they learned a little bit, and shied away from saying something that is easily (and has actually already been) proven false. However what they want to do is to withhold boosters for the general population, which I disagree with 100%. Since there is no vaccine scarcity whatsoever in the US, and there is a clear benefit to boosters and no additional safety risk, the boosters should be offered and whether it's "needed at this time" or not is something for us to decide, not them.

Clearly the ECDC/EMA has limited influence as France and Germany have started boosters already. I 100% support Biden's plan to offer boosters to the general public in the USA. Supplying other countries is a tertiary concern at most, and if Biden actually puts that above supplying boosters for the USA he should be impeached and removed from office. I might hate Trump but when it comes to my own health and protecting myself from COVID, it's MAGA and America First all the way.

[President Johnson]

This guy is a disaster.

https://twitter.com/CNNPolitics/status/1437786228636721158

[emailking]

Covid booster: Data shows third shots 'not appropriate' at this time, scientists say

An expert review of scientific evidence to date has concluded that Covid-19 vaccine booster shots are not needed at this time for the general public, a group of leading U.S. and international scientists said Monday in the peer-reviewed journal The Lancet.

The conclusion by scientists, including two senior Food and Drug Administration officials and the World Health Organization, came as studies continue to show the authorized Covid vaccines in the U.S. remain highly effective against severe disease and hospitalization caused by the fast-spreading delta variant.

While Covid vaccine effectiveness against mild disease may wane over time, protection against severe disease may persist, the scientists said. That’s because the body’s immune system is complex, they said, and has other defenses besides antibodies that may protect someone from getting seriously sick.

I disagree with this 100%. You'd think scientists have learned not to tell white lies to manipulate public opinion after the "Masks don't work" and "COVID is not airborne" debacles. At least they learned a little bit and are using "boosters are not necessary" rather than "boosters don't work" since they clearly work. There's also been no additional safety issue associated with boosters. Since the US has zero problems supplying vaccine now, necessity is not a reason to withhold boosters, especially since they can bring immunity levels to sterilizing immunity.

Also, if Biden actually withholds boosters so the US can supply vaccines to other countries, then he should be impeached and removed from office.

I don't think any scientist gave those quotes.