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« Reply #17125 on: November 10, 2022, 12:01:41 AM »
« edited: November 10, 2022, 12:05:46 AM by Storr »
The Russians will never be back in Kherson. February 24th was a desperate attempt by Russia to regain control over Ukraine, anyway.
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« Reply #17126 on: November 10, 2022, 07:12:46 AM »
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« Reply #17127 on: November 10, 2022, 08:31:18 AM »


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« Reply #17128 on: November 10, 2022, 08:47:31 AM »
The Russian retreat from Kherson will have a domino effect on the pro-Russian elements in the other Ukrainian areas annexed by Russia.  If Russia can abandon Kherson then what stops them from doing the same for other regions recently annexed by Russians?
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« Reply #17129 on: November 10, 2022, 09:27:55 AM »
Quote from: jaichind on November 10, 2022, 08:47:31 AM
The Russian retreat from Kherson will have a domino effect on the pro-Russian elements in the other Ukrainian areas annexed by Russia.  If Russia can abandon Kherson then what stops them from doing the same for other regions recently annexed by Russians?

I mean from a certain perspective,  everything Ukrainian soldiers have liberated from Russia is because Russia abandoned it. First there was the northern front,  which Russia left after stagnation to refocus on the south.  Then came Kharkiv, which Russia had seemingly abandoned of all soldiers but the ineffectual garrisons, inviting advances and a rout. Now Kherson.

It's partially this perspective that is fueling what is apparently a shadow war within the Kremlin. The hardliners don't like these retreats. Add enough fuel and the internal fire will  erupt, it's one reason why Putin kept pouring troops into kherson and now for naught.
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« Reply #17130 on: November 10, 2022, 09:28:16 AM »
First tank captured by Ukraine since Russia officially declared they're "evacuating" west of the river:

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« Reply #17131 on: November 10, 2022, 09:33:46 AM »
« Edited: November 10, 2022, 10:02:22 AM by Storr »
On the Dniprovska Gulf Coast:

Across the Inhulets River from Snihurivka:


Along the Dnipro River:

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« Reply #17132 on: November 10, 2022, 09:38:54 AM »
Meanwhile on Russian state television they're relitigating "The War of 1914-1922":
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« Reply #17133 on: November 10, 2022, 10:01:58 AM »
Heh, they really thought their GOP mates would come to their rescue didn't they Smiley
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« Reply #17134 on: November 10, 2022, 10:26:26 AM »

If this has been recaptured then Mylove has been recaptured as well
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« Reply #17135 on: November 10, 2022, 10:58:35 AM »
« Edited: November 10, 2022, 11:18:58 AM by Storr »
This being Ukraine, there are two towns in Kherson Oblast named Chkalvoe. This is the one which is in the video.
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« Reply #17136 on: November 10, 2022, 11:25:59 AM »
Kherson City is basically a ghost city now. Everything of resource has been stripped, and it's citizens sent to mainland Russia or occupied territory. I would compare it to Moscow/Borodino 1812.

With Russia's last significant logistical strain gone/Dnieper river as cover, it's offensive capabilities are strengthened.

Meanwhile back in Donetsk, in Pavlivka/Ugledar region:
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« Reply #17137 on: November 10, 2022, 11:39:25 AM »
Quote from: SirWoodbury on November 10, 2022, 11:25:59 AM
Kherson City is basically a ghost city now. Everything of resource has been stripped, and it's citizens sent to mainland Russia or occupied territory. I would compare it to Moscow/Borodino 1812.

With Russia's last significant logistical strain gone/Dnieper river as cover, it's offensive capabilities are strengthened.

Meanwhile back in Donetsk, in Pavlivka/Ugledar region:

Cope and seethe lol
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« Reply #17138 on: November 10, 2022, 11:48:37 AM »

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« Reply #17139 on: November 10, 2022, 11:53:27 AM »
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« Reply #17140 on: November 10, 2022, 12:01:07 PM »
You have to watch this. It's an old Soviet joke come to life.
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« Reply #17141 on: November 10, 2022, 12:19:35 PM »

Stalin is murderous dictator guilty of several genocides but his worst crime to me is drawing the atrocious internal borders of the Soviet Union. Look at the border between Kherson and Mykolaiv Oblast! It jumps between several rivers! It doesn't follow any natural boundaries at all! Don't even get me started on Ferghana Valley!!! It makes no damn sense!!!!
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« Reply #17142 on: November 10, 2022, 12:28:55 PM »
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Quote from: Logical on November 10, 2022, 12:19:35 PM

Stalin is murderous dictator guilty of several genocides but his worst crime to me is drawing the atrocious internal borders of the Soviet Union. Look at the border between Kherson and Mykolaiv Oblast! It jumps between several rivers! It doesn't follow any natural boundaries at all! Don't even get me started on Ferghana Valley!!! It makes no damn sense!!!!
One of my favorites was the decision, after the 1940 annexation of Moldova, to give Budjak to Ukraine ensuring that future independent Moldova didn't have any coastline.

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« Reply #17143 on: November 10, 2022, 12:44:54 PM »
This brings the total of HAWK air defense systems Spain is giving to Ukraine to 6



Again, an old system for sure but has decent range and can take on helicopters, drones, cruise missiles and some fighter jets (not all due to slow missile speed).
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« Reply #17144 on: November 10, 2022, 12:46:52 PM »
Quote from: Logical on November 10, 2022, 12:01:07 PM
You have to watch this. It's an old Soviet joke come to life.


That's called being between a rock and a hard place.
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« Reply #17145 on: November 10, 2022, 12:46:55 PM »
Quote from: SirWoodbury on November 10, 2022, 11:25:59 AM
Kherson City is basically a ghost city now. Everything of resource has been stripped, and it's citizens sent to mainland Russia or occupied territory. I would compare it to Moscow/Borodino 1812.

Not all
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« Reply #17146 on: November 10, 2022, 12:53:24 PM »
Quote from: Virginiá on November 10, 2022, 12:46:55 PM
Quote from: SirWoodbury on November 10, 2022, 11:25:59 AM
Kherson City is basically a ghost city now. Everything of resource has been stripped, and it's citizens sent to mainland Russia or occupied territory. I would compare it to Moscow/Borodino 1812.

Not all



Look at all of those evacuated civilians:



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« Reply #17147 on: November 10, 2022, 01:07:36 PM »
Quote from: Storr on November 10, 2022, 11:48:37 AM



That flag is badass.
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« Reply #17148 on: November 10, 2022, 01:22:16 PM »

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« Reply #17149 on: November 10, 2022, 01:22:38 PM »
Quote from: Virginiá on November 10, 2022, 12:44:54 PM
This brings the total of HAWK air defense systems Spain is giving to Ukraine to 6


Again, an old system for sure but has decent range and can take on helicopters, drones, cruise missiles and some fighter jets (not all due to slow missile speed).

There are apparently six launchers in a standard Hawk Phase III battery, so I'm guessing they've given one battery (but I imagine we'll eventually find out if they got as many as 6 batteries). What is less clear is which version they were given - Phase I (which Spain might no longer have?), Phase 3 or Phase XXI (the last of these involves a new radar and AMRAAM missiles which Ukraine now possesses). These upgrades happened decades apart and each affects the range by several tens of km, so it's a big deal.
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