2020 New York Redistricting

[RussFeingoldWasRobbed]

I will say this.. congrats to Torie. You were right all along and we should have listened to you lol!

[Nyvin]

So Democrats need to have fair maps because Democrats need to play by the rules, but Republicans are free to gerrymander all they want because they don't believe in rules, great.

[Green Line]

This map was so egregious.  If they had drawn a proper, fair, and compact gerrymander like Florida they would have gotten away with it.  Nobody to blame but themselves for getting so greedy.  Hopefully the illegal IL and NC maps are overturned after 2022 and we will be whole again.

[Gass3268]

The state legislature and Gov should just ignore the courts and pass their own maps like Ohio. Tell the court to enforce their ruling themselves.

[Pink Panther]

Huh. I see the courts in NY aren't complete and total hacks who actually tries to follow their state constitution! Hopefully I can say the same for FL.

[Babeuf]

Similar 4-3 conservative majority as recent high profile NY CoA cases.

[Gass3268]

What’s impeachment rules in New York?

[Sol]

So Democrats need to have fair maps because Democrats need to play by the rules, but Republicans are free to gerrymander all they want because they don't believe in rules, great.

Exactly, if your opposition to gerrymandering is sincere and not a political posture.

[lfromnj]

This map was so egregious.  If they had drawn a proper, fair, and compact gerrymander like Florida they would have gotten away with it.  Nobody to blame but themselves for getting so greedy.  Hopefully the illegal IL and NC maps are overturned after 2022 and we will be whole again.

lol

[ProgressiveModerate]

I’m still not sure how I feel about this.

If we’re going down a timeline where more or less all the majour gerrymanders are struck down, then I’d be happy. Florida gerry being struck down would be nice to see. Also how is Texas’s map even legal at this point lol

However, if the special master draws like 10 R districts in NY because “muh Jewish seat” and max pack of all the metros upstate, then imma be real mad.

[lfromnj]

 The one good thing for Democrats, is that the guy who is drawing the NY maps is the same dude who helped draw the PA legislative maps.


https://spectrumlocalnews.com/nys/buffalo/politics/2022/04/20/new-ny-redistricting-special-master-gets-good-reviews-from-pennsylvania-chair

He said Cervas, while not an attorney, has a good grasp of election law and is also skilled technically with the complex software packages available these days. Nordenberg said Cervas is also non-partisan and actively works to avoid partisanship in his map drawing.

ROFL

[RussFeingoldWasRobbed]

The one good thing for Democrats, is that the guy who is drawing the NY maps is the same dude who drew the PA map.

Oh really? Thank god.
Ok, I take back what I said lol

[CookieDamage]

The one good thing for Democrats, is that the guy who is drawing the NY maps is the same dude who drew the PA map.

Oh really? Thank god.
Ok, I take back what I said lol

So he'll be drawing what should be the final map ?

[lfromnj]

The one good thing for Democrats, is that the guy who is drawing the NY maps is the same dude who drew the PA map.

Oh really? Thank god.
Ok, I take back what I said lol

So he'll be drawing what should be the final map ?

Not necessarily, as the Steuben County judge will get to actually pick the final map but will have to use this dude for consultation.  

The two questions are now,

Is Cervas biased towards Democrats or biased towards partisan fairness?.  If its the latter than a fairly natural map should take place.

If he is biased towards Democrats, how far can he skew the map?

[MillennialModerate]

This is such a joke.

It sounds dramatic but sh**t like this discourages me to not even give a sh**t about our political system.

It just feels like such a lost cause at this point.

[ProgressiveModerate]

I'm really curious to see what's done in Brooklyn. It's really hard to create a Jewish seat without the expense of something else, most likely black representation.

[lfromnj]

Also by the way let's not forget Hochul was dumb enough to leave out a literal paper trail when the NYT asked for that question.

[Gass3268]

The one good thing for Democrats, is that the guy who is drawing the NY maps is the same dude who drew the PA map.

Oh really? Thank god.
Ok, I take back what I said lol

So he'll be drawing what should be the final map ?

Not necessarily, as the Steuben County judge will get to actually pick the final map but will have to use this dude for consultation.  

The two questions are now,

Is Cervas biased towards Democrats or biased towards partisan fairness?.  If its the latter than a fairly natural map should take place.

If he is biased towards Democrats, how far can he skew the map?

OMG, they are actually sending this back to the crazy Steuben County judge? The State Legislature and Governor should 100% ignore this or try to get a different case thrown into a different county.

[ProgressiveModerate]

The one good thing for Democrats, is that the guy who is drawing the NY maps is the same dude who drew the PA map.

Oh really? Thank god.
Ok, I take back what I said lol

So he'll be drawing what should be the final map ?

Not necessarily, as the Steuben County judge will get to actually pick the final map but will have to use this dude for consultation.  

The two questions are now,

Is Cervas biased towards Democrats or biased towards partisan fairness?.  If its the latter than a fairly natural map should take place.

If he is biased towards Democrats, how far can he skew the map?

From what I recall, there was a big emphasis based on least change in his PA map. That's partly why we ended up with the suburban fajitas outside Philly. I wonder if we'll see simillar here?

It'll be tricky though since it's harder to pick which district to actually cut upstate and by nature of population change a lot of districts will need to pretty dramatically change

[lfromnj]

The one good thing for Democrats, is that the guy who is drawing the NY maps is the same dude who drew the PA map.

Oh really? Thank god.
Ok, I take back what I said lol

So he'll be drawing what should be the final map ?

Not necessarily, as the Steuben County judge will get to actually pick the final map but will have to use this dude for consultation.  

The two questions are now,

Is Cervas biased towards Democrats or biased towards partisan fairness?.  If its the latter than a fairly natural map should take place.

If he is biased towards Democrats, how far can he skew the map?

OMG, they are actually sending this back to the crazy Steuben County judge? The State Legislature and Governor should 100% ignore this or try to get a different case thrown into a different county.

What exactly is crazy about him? He didn't even find the senate maps a gerrymander unlike the NY Court so he's actually to the left of the NY Court? The only issue with him was his stupid order requiring the legislature craft the maps in a bipartisan sense. Overall he was just some random judge upstate that got shafted with this case. It isn't like federal forum shopping. In the end he even picked a fairly left leaning Special Master.

For all the forumshopping R's did, the one solace D's have is the final map could be bearable.

[lfromnj]

The one good thing for Democrats, is that the guy who is drawing the NY maps is the same dude who drew the PA map.

Oh really? Thank god.
Ok, I take back what I said lol

So he'll be drawing what should be the final map ?

Not necessarily, as the Steuben County judge will get to actually pick the final map but will have to use this dude for consultation.  

The two questions are now,

Is Cervas biased towards Democrats or biased towards partisan fairness?.  If its the latter than a fairly natural map should take place.

If he is biased towards Democrats, how far can he skew the map?

From what I recall, there was a big emphasis based on least change in his PA map. That's partly why we ended up with the suburban fajitas outside Philly. I wonder if we'll see simillar here?

It'll be tricky though since it's harder to pick which district to actually cut upstate and by nature of population change a lot of districts will need to pretty dramatically change

I am talking about the legislative maps by the way.

It's actually really easy in NY to draw least change. Downstate barely changes, and you push Hudson Valley north. Tenney's seat gets cut but Delgado's seat becomes a Trump seat by a few points.

[RussFeingoldWasRobbed]

Why haven't Hochul, legislative dems reacted to this ruling yet on social media?

[Nyvin]

So the only two hard gerrymanders the Dems have left really are Illinois and Oregon.   Everything else is pretty mild. 

[RussFeingoldWasRobbed]

So the only two hard gerrymanders the Dems have left really are Illinois and Oregon.   Everything else is pretty mild. 

New Mexico?

[ProgressiveModerate]

Here's the realistic best case for Rs. The Syracuse seat is a bit of stretch. The Dem best case is posted earlier.

As I said before the issue with a Jewish seat is it really messes up the map. This is because if you wanna keep the NY-07 Hispanic seat, black voters become trapped in a way that's difficult to "unpack" and keep both NY-08 and NY-09 black.