🇬🇷 Greek politics and elections

[Estrella]

No one is pointing that out, but the Greek Ecologists had a massive surge of 100% in this election. From 0 votes in 2019 to... 1 vote last Sunday. Tremendous.

Is that the one ran by the crazy guy who thinks he's Dionysius and constantly has nude women advertise for him?

Yes.

[oldtimer]

No one is pointing that out, but the Greek Ecologists had a massive surge of 100% in this election. From 0 votes in 2019 to... 1 vote last Sunday. Tremendous.

Is that the one ran by the crazy guy who thinks he's Dionysius and constantly has nude women advertise for him?

Yes.

In a typical fashion, what they do is the opposite of what they say.

He was convicted to 37 years in prison 9 years ago, for trying to build on 112 acres of burned forests, that he claimed with false papers that was his, so much for the environment :

https://www.ekathimerini.com/news/161040/eco-party-chief-sentenced-for-37-years-for-trespassing-on-state-land/

A crook masquerading as a looney ecologist.

[thumb21]

A map of the results by municipal unit:


The key:

[GM Team Member and Deputy PPT WB]

why is Icaria so strong for KKE?

[Landslide Lyndon]

why is Icaria so strong for KKE?

It has been historically KKE's best island.
The Civil War ended in 1949 but in Ikaria it continued well into the 1950s.

[CumbrianLefty]

What is the sticking out white bit?

[Logical]

What is the sticking out white bit?

Mount Athos. Monks don't vote.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monastic_community_of_Mount_Athos

[CumbrianLefty]

What is the sticking out white bit?

Mount Athos. Monks don't vote.

Genuinely did not know that.

[Mike88]

What is the sticking out white bit?

Mount Athos. It's an area with several Eastern Orthodox monasteries and they are governed by monks and respond only to the Patriarchate of Constantinople. Also, women are forbidden to enter in Mount Athos.

[Coldstream]

The first poll for the next election has shown Victory & Course of Freedom crossing the threshold:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_June_2023_Greek_legislative_election

Also has Syriza down & Pasok up.

[CumbrianLefty]

Also has Syriza down & Pasok up.

Just a 5 point gap, would have been unthinkable only a month or two ago.

[Coldstream]

Can Greek posters explain who’d vote for Victory rather than Velopoulos’s party? Is it 2012-2019 Golden dawn vs 2012-2019 independent Greeks? Or more complex?

[VPH]

Can Greek posters explain who’d vote for Victory rather than Velopoulos’s party? Is it 2012-2019 Golden dawn vs 2012-2019 independent Greeks? Or more complex?

Curious about this too. There are quite a few seemingly different "streams" on the Greek right-wing/far-right. May 2012 was a great example. ANEL got 10.62%, Golden Dawn 6.97%, LAOS 2.89%, and Recreate Greece 2.15%. For a while, the right-populist/far-right vote seemed to be split between Golden Dawn and ANEL but now it's fragmented again. Is it an ideological difference or a personalistic one?

[Landslide Lyndon]

What’s the difference between EL and NIKI?

Very few, if any. Which is why Velopoulos took potshots against NIKI and called them an astroturf party whose sole purpose is to siphon votes from EL and keep it below the 3% threshold.

[oldtimer]

why is Icaria so strong for KKE?

Leftists were regularly exiled to some islands or villages until 1974.

For example look at the split in Kefallonia, west Kefallonia is where leftists were dumped.

Until 1981 you needed a certificate of social loyaltly to conservatism to obtain even a driving licence, so leftists where unable to move very far or get many jobs within Greece until then.

A lot escaped to western europe, mostly west germany and sweden, which is why the greek left gets unusual numbers there.

[oldtimer]

Can Greek posters explain who’d vote for Victory rather than Velopoulos’s party? Is it 2012-2019 Golden dawn vs 2012-2019 independent Greeks? Or more complex?

Curious about this too. There are quite a few seemingly different "streams" on the Greek right-wing/far-right. May 2012 was a great example. ANEL got 10.62%, Golden Dawn 6.97%, LAOS 2.89%, and Recreate Greece 2.15%. For a while, the right-populist/far-right vote seemed to be split between Golden Dawn and ANEL but now it's fragmented again. Is it an ideological difference or a personalistic one?

The election of May 2012 revealed the size of each ideological block within Greece.

Usually they are obscured by the large inner party coalitions of the big 2.

The only ideological difference with NIKI is that Velopoulos also peddles ancient greek pagan lore mixed with Star Wars stuff, while NIKI is pure christian.

[oldtimer]

Can Greek posters explain who’d vote for Victory rather than Velopoulos’s party? Is it 2012-2019 Golden dawn vs 2012-2019 independent Greeks? Or more complex?

Have you ever seen Ancient Aliens on the History Channel ?

That's basically the distinction between those who believe it's greek versions to be true,  and just the standard " Have you heard of our Lord and Saviour ? " stuff.

Here is an example (someone needs to translate this stuff to english) of a greek version of Ancient Aliens, which even features the VP of the ND party Adonis Georgiadis making the case that the Mayans, the Incas, and the Chinese are Ancient Greeks:

If you want a laugh, here is a long list of titles of some of their publications that greek satirists really rubbed, try and find which are the real books:

Spoiler alert! Click Show to show the content.

Show

1.Our time will come soon: 2012 and 2024.

2.China: The first greek empire.

3.Christianity in Ancient Greece: before Jesus was born.

4.Plato: The first Evangelist.

5.Global Warming and Zionist conspiracies.

6.The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

7.Putin's secret teddybear.

8.Sirius rose and the sphinx smiled.

9.Our father nation: Greeks came from the star Sirius.

10.The secret Gospels: Truth and Heresy.

11.The Generators of Space.

12.The Secrets of the Pyramids of life.

13.Falklands, the secret of the Greeks.

14.The Greeks of the Bible.

15.Planet Dioxin.

16.Traditions of Sirius.

17.Prometheus returns.

18.Atlantis: the files of the State of Poseidon.

19.Finding the Lost Ark.

20.They live Among Us: Putin and Trump vs Agenda 2030.

21.Donaldious Dacius: A greek.

22.The lost States of Mars.

23.The awakening of the red bear.

24.St.Alien the Galaxian.

25.The Known Unknowns and the Star of David.

26.Abraham the Wizard.

27.The Great Lie: In the shadow of the Great Greekism.

28.Jesus and Zeus.

29.Documents: The revelations of the unknown moments of Christ.

30.The Truth about Putin.

31.Alexander: The greatest of the Greeks.

32.All Ancient Greeks where Gays.

You get the drift, like what is the percentage of voters that believe in the Ancient Aliens stuff or Televangelism in America ?

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Can Greek posters explain who’d vote for Victory rather than Velopoulos’s party? Is it 2012-2019 Golden dawn vs 2012-2019 independent Greeks? Or more complex?

Have you ever seen Ancient Aliens on the History Channel ?

That's basically the distinction between those who believe it's greek versions to be true,  and just the standard " Have you heard of our Lord and Saviour ? " stuff.

Here is an example (someone needs to translate this stuff to english) of a greek version of Ancient Aliens, which even features the VP of the ND party Adonis Georgiadis making the case that the Mayans, the Incas, and the Chinese are Ancient Greeks:

If you want a laugh, here is a long list of titles of some of their publications that greek satirists really rubbed, try and find which are the real books:

Spoiler alert! Click Show to show the content.

Show

1.Our time will come soon: 2012 and 2024.

2.China: The first greek empire.

3.Christianity in Ancient Greece: before Jesus was born.

4.Plato: The first Evangelist.

5.Global Warming and Zionist conspiracies.

6.The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

7.Putin's secret teddybear.

8.Sirius rose and the sphinx smiled.

9.Our father nation: Greeks came from the star Sirius.

10.The secret Gospels: Truth and Heresy.

11.The Generators of Space.

12.The Secrets of the Pyramids of life.

13.Falklands, the secret of the Greeks.

14.The Greeks of the Bible.

15.Planet Dioxin.

16.Traditions of Sirius.

17.Prometheus returns.

18.Atlantis: the files of the State of Poseidon.

19.Finding the Lost Ark.

20.They live Among Us: Putin and Trump vs Agenda 2030.

21.Donaldious Dacius: A greek.

22.The lost States of Mars.

23.The awakening of the red bear.

24.St.Alien the Galaxian.

25.The Known Unknowns and the Star of David.

26.Abraham the Wizard.

27.The Great Lie: In the shadow of the Great Greekism.

28.Jesus and Zeus.

29.Documents: The revelations of the unknown moments of Christ.

30.The Truth about Putin.

31.Alexander: The greatest of the Greeks.

32.All Ancient Greeks where Gays.

You get the drift, like what is the percentage of voters that believe in the Ancient Aliens stuff or Televangelism in America ?

"13.Falklands, the secret of the Greeks."
This one made me do a double take.
Like, lol...

[oldtimer]

Can Greek posters explain who’d vote for Victory rather than Velopoulos’s party? Is it 2012-2019 Golden dawn vs 2012-2019 independent Greeks? Or more complex?

Have you ever seen Ancient Aliens on the History Channel ?

That's basically the distinction between those who believe it's greek versions to be true,  and just the standard " Have you heard of our Lord and Saviour ? " stuff.

Here is an example (someone needs to translate this stuff to english) of a greek version of Ancient Aliens, which even features the VP of the ND party Adonis Georgiadis making the case that the Mayans, the Incas, and the Chinese are Ancient Greeks:

If you want a laugh, here is a long list of titles of some of their publications that greek satirists really rubbed, try and find which are the real books:

Spoiler alert! Click Show to show the content.

Show

1.Our time will come soon: 2012 and 2024.

2.China: The first greek empire.

3.Christianity in Ancient Greece: before Jesus was born.

4.Plato: The first Evangelist.

5.Global Warming and Zionist conspiracies.

6.The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

7.Putin's secret teddybear.

8.Sirius rose and the sphinx smiled.

9.Our father nation: Greeks came from the star Sirius.

10.The secret Gospels: Truth and Heresy.

11.The Generators of Space.

12.The Secrets of the Pyramids of life.

13.Falklands, the secret of the Greeks.

14.The Greeks of the Bible.

15.Planet Dioxin.

16.Traditions of Sirius.

17.Prometheus returns.

18.Atlantis: the files of the State of Poseidon.

19.Finding the Lost Ark.

20.They live Among Us: Putin and Trump vs Agenda 2030.

21.Donaldious Dacius: A greek.

22.The lost States of Mars.

23.The awakening of the red bear.

24.St.Alien the Galaxian.

25.The Known Unknowns and the Star of David.

26.Abraham the Wizard.

27.The Great Lie: In the shadow of the Great Greekism.

28.Jesus and Zeus.

29.Documents: The revelations of the unknown moments of Christ.

30.The Truth about Putin.

31.Alexander: The greatest of the Greeks.

32.All Ancient Greeks where Gays.

You get the drift, like what is the percentage of voters that believe in the Ancient Aliens stuff or Televangelism in America ?

"13.Falklands, the secret of the Greeks."
This one made me do a double take.
Like, lol...

If you thought it was a real book then you guessed correctly, it's on offer for 2 bucks:

https://metabook.gr/books/fwklant-to-mistiko-ton-ellinon-44868#offers

[Mike88]

I read it in the Greek Elects twitter page. Why were pollsters afraid of being bullied by Syriza if they showed the real voting intentions rather than the ones they presented that overestimated the party?

[Landslide Lyndon]

I read it in the Greek Elects twitter page. Why were pollsters afraid of being bullied by Syriza if they showed the real voting intentions rather than the ones they presented that overestimated the party?

Because that's how SYRIZA and its army of online trolls operate. They harass and bully anyone (journalists, pollsters, academics, political rivals, etc.) who says anything they dislike. It's no wonder why they still feel such affinity for right-wing parties, even Golden Dawn.

[oldtimer]

I read it in the Greek Elects twitter page. Why were pollsters afraid of being bullied by Syriza if they showed the real voting intentions rather than the ones they presented that overestimated the party?

Well the accuracy of greek opinion pollsters has traditionally been crap, how else can you explain that the Exit Poll was equally crap ?

I think it's just an excuse to hide their crapness, the press itsn't buying it.

For example in 2012 it was revealed that ex-defence minister Tsochatsopoulos had in his files a 270k euro project than among others had the purchace of madeup polling by Alco or Rass polling companies:

https://www.ekathimerini.com/news/141893/diaries-reveal-ex-minister-wanted-to-restore-reputation/

https://www.tovima.gr/2012/05/24/politics/arxeio-a-tsoxatzopoyloy-o-nikos-kai-ta-270-000-gia-epikoinwniaki-proboli/

[President Johnson]

I read it in the Greek Elects twitter page. Why were pollsters afraid of being bullied by Syriza if they showed the real voting intentions rather than the ones they presented that overestimated the party?

Because that's how SYRIZA and its army of online trolls operate. They harass and bully anyone (journalists, pollsters, academics, political rivals, etc.) who says anything they dislike. It's no wonder why they still feel such affinity for right-wing parties, even Golden Dawn.

SYRIZA also governed in a coalition with the right-wing populist ANEL Party. Twice, after both elections in 2015.

[Landslide Lyndon]

I read it in the Greek Elects twitter page. Why were pollsters afraid of being bullied by Syriza if they showed the real voting intentions rather than the ones they presented that overestimated the party?

Because that's how SYRIZA and its army of online trolls operate. They harass and bully anyone (journalists, pollsters, academics, political rivals, etc.) who says anything they dislike. It's no wonder why they still feel such affinity for right-wing parties, even Golden Dawn.

SYRIZA also governed in a coalition with the right-wing populist ANEL Party. Twice, after both elections in 2015.

And Tsipras still praises Kammenos even to this day despite the fact that the latter has come out as a staunch supporter of Russia and Putin and still continues to spout conspiracy theories about the Jews being responsible for the war in Ukraine.

[warandwar]

I read it in the Greek Elects twitter page. Why were pollsters afraid of being bullied by Syriza if they showed the real voting intentions rather than the ones they presented that overestimated the party?

Because that's how SYRIZA and its army of online trolls operate. They harass and bully anyone (journalists, pollsters, academics, political rivals, etc.) who says anything they dislike. It's no wonder why they still feel such affinity for right-wing parties, even Golden Dawn.

SYRIZA also governed in a coalition with the right-wing populist ANEL Party. Twice, after both elections in 2015.

And Tsipras still praises Kammenos even to this day despite the fact that the latter has come out as a staunch supporter of Russia and Putin and still continues to spout conspiracy theories about the Jews being responsible for the war in Ukraine.

As i understand, it would be essentially correct to say "the army" instead of ANEL.