🇬🇷 Greek politics and elections

[Mike88]

National Creation (ED) has been dissolved. It polled at some point between 1-2%, but it ended with just 0.8%. It is now asking their voters to vote ND.

https://twitter.com/GreeceElects/status/1663515267710763015

My hunch is that number of parties running will probably decrease in the repeat election.

[oldtimer]

National Creation (ED) has been dissolved. It polled at some point between 1-2%, but it ended with just 0.8%. It is now asking their voters to vote ND.

https://twitter.com/GreeceElects/status/1663515267710763015
My hunch is that number of parties running will probably decrease in the repeat election.

It costs around 75k euros to run.

According to the latest figures from the Bank of Greece only around 1% of the population have savings larger than that.

Which is one of the causes of populist backlashes, parties being run by very wealthy people with little connections to the 99%. (Now I sound like Bernie)

Though there is some public funding of parties in Greece once they surpass 1% of vote share.

[President Johnson]

A map of the results by municipal unit:


The key:

#Kyriakoslide

[Mike88]

New poll:

https://twitter.com/GreeceElects/status/1664355117049454592

[oldtimer]

Before I go radio silent due to the elections, this is an update on the campaign:

PASOK and Tsipras are in a competition over who will have the worst campaign ever.

Both have their candidates talk on national TV over random tax increases, they say they will increase taxes by a lot, but not on who or for what.

Mitsotakis is trying to campaign against the church out of fear that NIKI might cost him his majority , but that effort has stalled due to cold reception from christians, so he cancelled his field trips to all monastaries.

And due to the implosion of both PASOK and SYRIZA campaigns, it's unnecessary for him to antagonise conservatives further.

The picture is that PASOK and SYRIZA are down, all others are up.

There is a potential for the most combined center-right wing result since 1974.

The economy has slid into recession, that might become a talking point if the 2 largest opposition parties ever get organised and stopped fooling around.

[Landslide Lyndon]

Before I go radio silent due to the elections, this is an update on the campaign:

PASOK and Tsipras are in a competition over who will have the worst campaign ever.

Both have their candidates talk on national TV over random tax increases, they say they will increase taxes by a lot, but not on who or for what.

Mitsotakis is trying to campaign against the church out of fear that NIKI might cost him his majority , but that effort has stalled due to cold reception from christians, so he cancelled his field trips to all monastaries.

And due to the implosion of both PASOK and SYRIZA campaigns, it's unnecessary for him to antagonise conservatives further.

The picture is that PASOK and SYRIZA are down, all others are up.

There is a potential for the most combined center-right wing result since 1974.

The economy has slid into recession, that might become a talking point if the 2 largest opposition parties ever get organised and stopped fooling around.

This entire post is pure nonsense. It doesn't contain a single truthful statement.

[oldtimer]

Before I go radio silent due to the elections, this is an update on the campaign:

PASOK and Tsipras are in a competition over who will have the worst campaign ever.

Both have their candidates talk on national TV over random tax increases, they say they will increase taxes by a lot, but not on who or for what.

Mitsotakis is trying to campaign against the church out of fear that NIKI might cost him his majority , but that effort has stalled due to cold reception from christians, so he cancelled his field trips to all monastaries.

And due to the implosion of both PASOK and SYRIZA campaigns, it's unnecessary for him to antagonise conservatives further.

The picture is that PASOK and SYRIZA are down, all others are up.

There is a potential for the most combined center-right wing result since 1974.

The economy has slid into recession, that might become a talking point if the 2 largest opposition parties ever get organised and stopped fooling around.

This entire post is pure nonsense. It doesn't contain a single truthful statement.

"Torpedoes away"

https://en.rua.gr/2023/06/01/greece-is-experiencing-the-most-silent-pre-election-period-of-all-time/

"The rampant tax chatter that first hooked SYRIZA to Katrugalos-Fotios and then PASOK to Chronopoulou-Dudoni raises legitimate questions.

One politician backpedaled, saying that he was sardonic, another said that these were his personal views"

https://www.iefimerida.gr/english/mitsotakis-campaigning-drama-patriotism-measured-actual-results-not-theory

"Mitsotakis addressed himself to voters who supported small, extreme-right parties linked to the church, and said that "patriotism in theory is easy, but if it is responsible and practical, it is measured through actual results." Greek Orthodoxy and faith should not be used to divide the Greek people, he added, and voters should not bring the church into politics."


https://twitter.com/business/status/1666390062383112194

Always a pleasure L.L.

[oldtimer]

The agenda today has switched towards hospitals, because of how decrepit social services have become and 2 women died waiting for ambulances in the past few days, the source is untraslated since it's fresh:  https://www.iefimerida.gr/politiki/tsipras-apo-laiko-katarreysi-toy-esy

And party debates are scheduled for the 15th, although this time it's unlikely that they will be shown by private TV channels due to lack of interest.
 
https://hellenicnews.com/televised-debate-of-party-leaders-to-be-held-on-june-15/

[Landslide Lyndon]

Always a pleasure L.L.

The fact that you cite some partisan media doesn't make your post any more truthful.

PASOK proposed an increase on dividend taxes as a means to recoup the lost revenue from lowering the VAT on basic goods like food. They also proposed an overhauling of property taxes, not random increases as you mendaciously report.

Mitsotakis isn't campaigning against the church and he canceled his visit to Athos because he caught COVID, not because the "christians" opposed him.

PASOK and SYRIZA's campaigns haven't imploded, whatever that means.

And the economy hasn't slid into a recession by any definition. A couple of days ago it was announced that it grew 2.1% in the 2Q.

[Mike88]

And the economy hasn't slid into a recession by any definition. A couple of days ago it was announced that it grew 2.1% in the 2Q.

In the 1st Quarter of 2023, the Greek economy grew 2.1% annually, compared with the Q1 2022, but dropped to -0.1% compared with the Q4 of 2022. It is not, for now, in a "technical recession" situation, which is two consecutive quarters of negative growth.

More in here: https://countryeconomy.com/gdp/greece

[oldtimer]

And the economy hasn't slid into a recession by any definition. A couple of days ago it was announced that it grew 2.1% in the 2Q.

In the 1st Quarter of 2023, the Greek economy grew 2.1% annually, compared with the Q1 2022, but dropped to -0.1% compared with the Q4 of 2022. It is not, for now, in a "technical recession" situation, which is two consecutive quarters of negative growth.

More in here: https://countryeconomy.com/gdp/greece

I concede on that techincallity.

[oldtimer]

To put some more meat on why PASOK has been in deep trouble this past week on taxes (in contrast to those who deny it), it was their own spokepeople on live national TV that dug their own hole, here are 2 car crash interview examples:

The translation of the critical moment goes like this from 0:16 :

-So you will increase some taxes and lower others, right ?
-We will increase some taxes and lower some taxes.
-Which taxes are you going to raise?
-We will increase the taxes that practically hurt the middle class.

Next day she comes on live TV again to say "I misspoke" and digs deeper:

At 3:54

-What companies are you going to tax?
-We will tax large companies.
-Which large companies?
-150
-Which ones ?
-I can't tell you. "silence" No I won't tell, why should I tell you ?

[Landslide Lyndon]

And the guy from ND said that lowering the VAT for milk and spaghetti will favor the rich and the tourists.
I guess that means according to your standards that ND is imploding too.

[oldtimer]

The Healthcare issue has it's first political victim.
ND MP Spiros Pneumaticos has been shown the door by Mitsotakis after his public comments about cancer patients and cost benefits of their treatment.

https://newsbeezer.com/greeceeng/elections-2023-spyros-pneumatikos-does-not-participate-in-the-nd-votes/

It has provided some relief for the opposition after a disasterous 2 weeks over taxation.

The press is estimating the following:

Mitsotakis 43-45%
Tsipras 13-19%
PASOK 9-16%
Communists 7-8%
Konstantopoulou 4-5%
NIKKI 4-5%
Velopoulos 3-5%

There is very high uncertainty over SYRIZA vs PASOK depending on the pundits, and most of those estimates where before the healthcare issue blew up in the past few days.

Anyway the press had it wrong the last time.

I'm now going radio silent until election day.

[Mike88]

My hunch is that number of parties running will probably decrease in the repeat election.

Not that much, from 36 lists in the May election to 33 in the the June election:

https://twitter.com/GreeceElects/status/1666871996569866241

[Landslide Lyndon]

It's astonishing how tone deaf SYRIZA's stance have been after the tragedy with the sinking of the immigrant boat in the Ionian. They heckled the (popular) President of Greece (who has no executive power), Tsipras insulted the interim Minister (who has no authority to change policy), and they once again reminded everyone the debacle of 2015 when they were caught off guard when Erdogan sent millions of Syrian refugees to our islands.
If this sorry excuse of a party gets more or the same votes like one month ago I'll lose any faith to Greek voters.

[Mike88]

Latest poll by GPO:

44.5% ND (+0.6)
18.9% Syriza (-2.0)
12.4% PASOK (+0.2)
  6.9% KKE (nc)
  3.7% EL (+0.5)
  3.7% PE (-1.0)
  3.1% NIKI (-0.5)
  2.7% MeRA25 (+0.5)
  2.2% Spartans (new)
  1.9% Others (-0.5)

Poll conducted between 12 and 14 June 2023.

[Mike88]

  2.2% Spartans (new)

Spartans is a far-right party supported by former Golden Dawn leaders:

https://twitter.com/GreeceElects/status/1666873069678231559

[mileslunn]

I am guessing probably a New Democracy majority as get impression a lot just want stability so some even if not strong supporters will vote ND to achieve that.  Left seems too divided and no agreement on which direction to go.

[The '90s' Last Champion]

I am guessing probably a New Democracy majority as get impression a lot just want stability so some even if not strong supporters will vote ND to achieve that.  Left seems too divided and no agreement on which direction to go.

With the majority bonus, ND will definitely get a majority if they get the same vote share as last month. Only one poll has shown them falling and that poll still has them at a majority. It would be very surprising if they don't get a majority.

[Former President tack50]

Surprised at a party naming themselves "Spartans" in Greece of all places. That'd be like if we had a party called "Cartagineses".

[President Johnson]

Latest poll by GPO:

44.5% ND (+0.6)
18.9% Syriza (-2.0)
12.4% PASOK (+0.2)
  6.9% KKE (nc)
  3.7% EL (+0.5)
  3.7% PE (-1.0)
  3.1% NIKI (-0.5)
  2.7% MeRA25 (+0.5)
  2.2% Spartans (new)
  1.9% Others (-0.5)

Poll conducted between 12 and 14 June 2023.

I guess ND would easily get over 160 seats in this scenario. #Kyriakoslide

[Mike88]

Latest poll by GPO:

44.5% ND (+0.6)
18.9% Syriza (-2.0)
12.4% PASOK (+0.2)
 6.9% KKE (nc)
 3.7% EL (+0.5)
 3.7% PE (-1.0)
 3.1% NIKI (-0.5)
 2.7% MeRA25 (+0.5)
  2.2% Spartans (new)
 1.9% Others (-0.5)

Poll conducted between 12 and 14 June 2023.

I guess ND would easily get over 160 seats in this scenario. #Kyriakoslide

Yes, 164 seats in this poll projection. A new one, from Rass polling firm, already puts ND at 166 seats.

[Coldstream]

Pretty depressing if 3 parties to the right of New Democracy get in to parliament and PASOK-Syriza can’t even get 100 seats between them.

[AncestralDemocrat.]

https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/1671270260291387393?t=j8FnPL1RL4a0nImiop...