🇬🇷 Greek politics and elections

[jaichind]

Spartans seem to be doing well in the polls recently and there is a chance that they might surge past 3% on election day.

Sorry, but LOL

Do you agree now that they had a surge?  My main worry was that a Spartans surge will cut into the NIKI vote.  Glad to see both cross 3%

[kaoras]

The only """exciting""" thing about the count, once it became clear that PE is going to make it, is whether KKE will reach 8% or they are going to get stuck in 7,7% or something.

[AncestralDemocrat.]

Interesting that all the small right wing parties passed the threshold. Are they pretty similar on ideology?

From what I gather, Greek Solution are more aligned with the religious (Orthodox) right wing in Greece.. while Spartans has links with jailed Neo Nazis, formerly of the Golden Dawn.

[oldtimer]

Well the results won't change much, here it is by ideological faction:

The Right will be up to around 13%, best result since 2012 when they got a combined 18%, way up from pre-crisis levels.

The Left stable at around 14%, same as pre-crisis levels.

The Center Left down to around 30%, worst result since 2012 when they got a combined 19% and way down from pre-crisis levels.

The Center Right stable at around 40%, same as pre-crisis levels.

Bottom line, ND continues to drift left and eat's the Center-Left's pie while losing an equal amount of votes to the right.

The Center Left parties are unable to drift to the right to balance things "american style realignment".

A very typical european result.

Mitsotakis can change the constitution with either PASOK or with the Conservative parties (not the Nazis).

Bonus:

A SYRIZA MP named Xenogiannakopoulou, that spend most of election night on TV saying that Tsipras is a political colossus, lost her seat.

[oldtimer]

Interesting that all the small right wing parties passed the threshold. Are they pretty similar on ideology?

From what I gather, Greek Solution are more aligned with the religious (Orthodox) right wing in Greece.. while Spartans has links with jailed Neo Nazis, formerly of the Golden Dawn.

I made a detailed post a few weeks ago:

The Greek Solution, aka Velopoulos, is the Greek Ancient Aliens party.
Nikki is the Televangelist party.
The Spartans are pure "300 movie" military Nazis, hence the name.

[Mike88]

Interesting that all the small right wing parties passed the threshold. Are they pretty similar on ideology?

From what I gather, Greek Solution are more aligned with the religious (Orthodox) right wing in Greece.. while Spartans has links with jailed Neo Nazis, formerly of the Golden Dawn.

I made a detailed post a few weeks ago:

The Greek Solution, aka Velopoulos, is the Greek Ancient Aliens party.
Nikki is the Televangelist party.
The Spartans are pure "300 movie" military Nazis, hence the name.

Isn't Greek Solution also deeply Russophile?

[oldtimer]

Interesting that all the small right wing parties passed the threshold. Are they pretty similar on ideology?

From what I gather, Greek Solution are more aligned with the religious (Orthodox) right wing in Greece.. while Spartans has links with jailed Neo Nazis, formerly of the Golden Dawn.

I made a detailed post a few weeks ago:

The Greek Solution, aka Velopoulos, is the Greek Ancient Aliens party.
Nikki is the Televangelist party.
The Spartans are pure "300 movie" military Nazis, hence the name.

Isn't Greek Solution also deeply Russophile?

Like all Conservative Parties in the West.

Since America and the EU are perceived as lefty liberal, they align with conservative Russia in a reverse of the Cold War.

And oh my I just noticed that there was a party named T.R.U.M.P. with an ejaculating penis as it's symbol, it's getting 1 vote so far.

[Mike88]

82.53% reporting:

40.5% ND, 158 seats
17.8% Syriza, 47
12.1% PASOK, 32
  7.6% KKE, 20
  4.7% Spartans, 13
  4.5% EL, 12
  3.7% NIKI, 10
  3.1% PE, 8
  2.4% MeRA25, 0
  3.6% Others

52.0% Turnout

[AncestralDemocrat.]

https://twitter.com/GeorgeMourmour2/status/1673016741180370944?t=CBrRfQG2vteJKFz...

[Mike88]

Like all Conservative Parties in the West.

Well, I believe KKE is also Russophile as the Greek Solution is. And just like its Portuguese "copypaste" counterpart, PCP.

[Mike88]

The only """exciting""" thing about the count, once it became clear that PE is going to make it, is whether KKE will reach 8% or they are going to get stuck in 7,7% or something.

Nope. With 90% counted, KKE is stable at 7.61%.

[Mike88]

Mitsotakis just gave his victory speech by hailing the "safe majority" of ND and that he will put forward reforms immediately.

Varoufakis reacted to the results by saying that his party failed to convert the "bailout resistance" into a progressive coalition and that he's sorry that anger has turned into a "far-right movement".

No reaction yet from Tsipras.

[Mike88]

Tsipras just spoke. He didn't resign but said he said he's ready to face the "judgement" of party members and that a historic chapter for the party has ended. He added that the election result is bad for Greek society and that the work is now on for the 2024 EP elections.

[President Johnson]

Congrats to Kyriakos Mitsotakis, who has been a pretty good prime minister after all, especially for a center-right one.

Tspiras has become a total joke at this point, especially for apparently not resigning after getting blown out a third time.

[Comrade Luanne Platter]

Absolutely devastating results for the Greek Left, Tspiras has got to go and left-wing figures with more broad cross-party appeal need to emerge. Here's hoping Far-Right parties retaking their seats is a fluke like Golden Dawn was.

[rob in cal]

Is the good right wing performance because many view Mitsotakis and ND going too far to the center?

[President Johnson]

Is the good right wing performance because many view Mitsotakis and ND going too far to the center?

Kind of. ND though is more of a "liberal-conservative" party or center-right, not right-wing. Mitsotakis is currently the only center-right leader I'd actually vote for.

[President Johnson]

#Kyriakoslide



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:June_2023_Greek_legislative_election_-_Municipal_Units_Results.png

[oldtimer]

Absolutely devastating results for the Greek Left, Tspiras has got to go and left-wing figures with more broad cross-party appeal need to emerge. Here's hoping Far-Right parties retaking their seats is a fluke like Golden Dawn was.

Tsipras is never resigning.

He's the type who purges everyone to remain Leader of something, even if that something is just a burned out shell.

[oldtimer]

Is the good right wing performance because many view Mitsotakis and ND going too far to the center?

Correct.

Mitsotakis is a liberal-lefty, he wants to make ND into a center-left party.

So ND gains from the center-left while losing an equal amount to it's right.

So until the other center-left parties move right to attract disappointed conservatives, ND will always win by a landslide. There is not enough space for 2 large center-left parties.

But a majority in Parliament will always be in question if they lose too many votes to the right.

[Mike88]

#Kyriakoslide



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:June_2023_Greek_legislative_election_-_Municipal_Units_Results.png

It didn't beat his May record by just 2 municipalities. Anyway, almost final results, 98% counted:

40.6% ND, 158 seats
17.8% Syriza, 48
11.9% PASOK, 32
  7.7% KKE, 20
  4.7% Spartans, 12
  4.5% EL, 12
  3.7% NIKI, 10
  3.2% PE, 8
  2.5% MeRA25, 0
  3.4% Others

52.8% Turnout

[oldtimer]

#Kyriakoslide



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:June_2023_Greek_legislative_election_-_Municipal_Units_Results.png

It didn't beat his May record by just 2 municipalities. Anyway, almost final results, 98% counted:

40.6% ND, 158 seats
17.8% Syriza, 48
11.9% PASOK, 32
  7.7% KKE, 20
  4.7% Spartans, 12
  4.5% EL, 12
  3.7% NIKI, 10
  3.2% PE, 8
  2.5% MeRA25, 0
  3.4% Others

52.8% Turnout

It's interesting to see any large local shifts compared to last month.

The thing that pops up is that PASOK fell in most rural areas.
I guess that is because this time they did a largerly progressive campaign that was unpopular in rural areas, thus preventing them from overtaking Syriza.

[Mike88]

It's interesting to see any large local shifts compared to last month.

The thing that pops up is that PASOK fell in most rural areas.
I guess that is because this time they did a largerly progressive campaign that was unpopular in rural areas, thus preventing them from overtaking Syriza.

Wasn't probably the low turnout? I mean, if PASOK did a more progressive campaign that would manifest itself in the more urban areas of Athens and Thessaloniki, but in reality PASOK polled badly in these areas, bellow 10% and in some districts even behind KKE.

[oldtimer]

It's interesting to see any large local shifts compared to last month.

The thing that pops up is that PASOK fell in most rural areas.
I guess that is because this time they did a largerly progressive campaign that was unpopular in rural areas, thus preventing them from overtaking Syriza.

Wasn't probably the low turnout? I mean, if PASOK did a more progressive campaign that would manifest itself in the more urban areas of Athens and Thessaloniki, but in reality PASOK polled badly in these areas, bellow 10% and in some districts even behind KKE.

PASOK will never gain much in Athens no matter how progressive it is, the wounds of the economic crisis are deepest in the cities and they still blame PASOK for that.

The farmers in rural areas where less affected and stuck with PASOK the most, but they hate progressives.

PASOK's strategy this time was flawed, to beat SYRIZA for 2nd place they need to win the  rural areas first, because they are blocked out in urban areas.

[Mike88]

It's interesting to see any large local shifts compared to last month.

The thing that pops up is that PASOK fell in most rural areas.
I guess that is because this time they did a largerly progressive campaign that was unpopular in rural areas, thus preventing them from overtaking Syriza.

Wasn't probably the low turnout? I mean, if PASOK did a more progressive campaign that would manifest itself in the more urban areas of Athens and Thessaloniki, but in reality PASOK polled badly in these areas, bellow 10% and in some districts even behind KKE.

PASOK will never gain much in Athens no matter how progressive it is, the wounds of the economic crisis are deepest in the cities and they still blame PASOK for that.

The farmers in rural areas where less affected and stuck with PASOK the most, but they hate progressives.

PASOK's strategy this time was flawed, to beat SYRIZA for 2nd place they need to win the  rural areas first, because they are blocked out in urban areas.

Right. I would say that PASOK has probably time on their side. With Syriza still trapped under Tsipras and with little to show for, PASOK can "step by step" represent themselves as the alternative to ND.