Chile Constitutional Referendum, September 4th 2022

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

I hope Boric pulls off the upset. Every time I see Jadue and the PC out on the campaign trail I like them less and less - and I think their chances of losing to Lavín or Sichel or whoever go up.

[seb_pard]

Ok so we have primaries tomorrow. I can't believe it, I was 100% behind Boric but one week ago I started to doubt about it and now I am undecided between Boric and Jadue.

I know that Jadue's campaign has not been good, but I think the media has been very harsh on him and actually I took the time to read his policies and really liked his proposals.

This is a very long night for me. Nevertheless I'm very happy with both candidates.

[PSOL]

Jadue’s poor campaign is hyped up by a media that hates him dearly. No doubt there are flaws, but he seems to be about as electable as BoBo Boric.

[kaoras]

Jadue’s poor campaign is hyped up by a media that hates him dearly. No doubt there are flaws, but he seems to be about as electable as BoBo Boric.

Eh, not really. Is true that Boric and Jadue have almost the same platform but Jadue is a CO-MU-NIST, you see?. And this is not a manufactured media thing (though they DO hate him a lot), common people in Chile take the party labels quite literally (this also happens to the Socialist Party though it ironically helps them). If you talk to the median voter he will tell you that he doesn't like "extremes" and that politics divide society and blablabla. The post-pinochet transition hardcoded consensus and unity on the minds of most of the adult population (that's why Lavin goes so hard on those themes). I find it extremely annoying but that's how regular folks think. Boric, and to be honest any candidate without the hammer and the sickle behind it would wipe the floor with any rightist but I genuinely think Jadue would lose.

He COULD conceivably win given the national context if he campaigned well and moderated his image, but he hasn't done that and the communists are so full of themselves right now I doubt he will do that in the future.

If Jadue wins the most likely scenario is a Provoste victory, and while she is probably the single most leftist element on her party, it's kinda depressing going through the social uprising and the constituent elections only to end up with a christian democrat president.

[PSOL]

Jadue’s poor campaign is hyped up by a media that hates him dearly. No doubt there are flaws, but he seems to be about as electable as BoBo Boric.

Eh, not really. Is true that Boric and Jadue have almost the same platform but Jadue is a CO-MU-NIST, you see?. And this is not a manufactured media thing (though they DO hate him a lot), common people in Chile take the party labels quite literally (this also happens to the Socialist Party though it ironically helps them). If you talk to the median voter he will tell you that he doesn't like "extremes" and that politics divide society and blablabla. The post-pinochet transition hardcoded consensus and unity on the minds of most of the adult population (that's why Lavin goes so hard on those themes). I find it extremely annoying but that's how regular folks think. Boric, and to be honest any candidate without the hammer and the sickle behind it would wipe the floor with any rightist but I genuinely think Jadue would lose.

He COULD conceivably win given the national context if he campaigned well and moderated his image, but he hasn't done that and the communists are so full of themselves right now I doubt he will do that in the future.

If Jadue wins the most likely scenario is a Provoste victory, and while she is probably the single most leftist element on her party, it's kinda depressing going through the social uprising and the constituent elections only to end up with a christian democrat president.

The issue is that Boric strikes me as an alienating rich kid, and Jadue and the Communist Party seem to be more experienced operatives than Boric.

I think it would be best to keep pushing and try to get Jadue across the finish line, ultimately they are the most stable bed with heavy rewards for a new democratic socialist Chile.

[H. Ross Peron]

How would a centre-left social democrat who is strongly in favour of an expanded welfare state but not necessarily enamoured of cultural radicalism or strong left-wing rhetoric vote in the upcoming Presidential election?

[kaoras]

How would a centre-left social democrat who is strongly in favour of an expanded welfare state but not necessarily enamoured of cultural radicalism or strong left-wing rhetoric vote in the upcoming Presidential election?

Boric, because of the perceived "moderation". Also, keep in mind that voting according to cultural issues is not really something that many people do here.

[kaoras]

Results in Australia (number of votes):

Jadue: 471
Boric: 412

Sichel 81
Briones 58
Lavín 42
Desbordes 21

Results in New Zealand:

Boric 183
Jadue 179

Sichel 29
Briones 11
Lavín 9
Desbordes 4

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

Jadue’s poor campaign is hyped up by a media that hates him dearly. No doubt there are flaws, but he seems to be about as electable as BoBo Boric.

Eh, not really. Is true that Boric and Jadue have almost the same platform but Jadue is a CO-MU-NIST, you see?. And this is not a manufactured media thing (though they DO hate him a lot), common people in Chile take the party labels quite literally (this also happens to the Socialist Party though it ironically helps them). If you talk to the median voter he will tell you that he doesn't like "extremes" and that politics divide society and blablabla. The post-pinochet transition hardcoded consensus and unity on the minds of most of the adult population (that's why Lavin goes so hard on those themes). I find it extremely annoying but that's how regular folks think. Boric, and to be honest any candidate without the hammer and the sickle behind it would wipe the floor with any rightist but I genuinely think Jadue would lose.

He COULD conceivably win given the national context if he campaigned well and moderated his image, but he hasn't done that and the communists are so full of themselves right now I doubt he will do that in the future.

If Jadue wins the most likely scenario is a Provoste victory, and while she is probably the single most leftist element on her party, it's kinda depressing going through the social uprising and the constituent elections only to end up with a christian democrat president.

Yeah, I think Jadue seems to have been a good mayor and obviously has good ideas (although I don’t like his foreign policy stances), but it seems like his campaign thinks they can win the presidency by just turning out their base and talking about Salvador Allende as much as possible. Unless I’m seriously misjudging the Chilean people, I just don’t think that’s going to work.

[seb_pard]

https://twitter.com/FpvrPrensa/status/1416821467015262213


This includes Asia+most of Europe

[seb_pard]

https://twitter.com/tresquintos/status/1416854804240949253?s=24

[seb_pard]

Magallanes will close soon. I think we can expect strong numbers for Boric as he is from there.

[Mike88]

Is there an official site to follow the results?

[seb_pard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QV86Yqq7sM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vx-kNReeZgY

Live counting in Punta Arenas


For official results:

https://www.servelelecciones.cl

[Mike88]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QV86Yqq7sM

Live counting in Punta Arenas


For official results:

https://www.servelelecciones.cl

Thanks!! I'm also watching that live feed of the counting. I always find amusing this Chilean tradition of filming the vote counting.

[seb_pard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QV86Yqq7sM

Live counting in Punta Arenas


For official results:

https://www.servelelecciones.cl

Thanks!! I'm also watching that live feed of the counting. I always find amusing this Chilean tradition of filming the vote counting.

Best tradition, I is better with people cheering/booing candidates

[kaoras]

Also good old Decide Chile for nice results maps: https://2021.decidechile.cl/#/ev/2021.pri

[seb_pard]

Final results from Polling stations 55-56-57 (merged for the primaries). As expected, Boric is crushing it there, but Jadue leads all Chile Vamos candidates

[seb_pard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4W7C9bQV1k

Live counting in Maipu (2nd largest commune of Santiago), Jadue doing really good.

In the right the picture is clear, Sichel will be the candidate and Desbordes is politically dead


Edit1: Now Boric getting very close to Jadue, it will be interesting.

Edit2: Now boric leading Jadue

[seb_pard]

First official results from Servel

Apruebo Dignidad:
Boric: 4,605 (50.01%)
Jadue: 4,603 (49.99%)

Chile Vamos:
Sichel: 1,077 (40.1%)
Lavin: 791 (29.4%)
Briones: 553 (20.6%)
Desbordes: 267 (9.9%)

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4W7C9bQV1k

Live counting in Maipu (2nd largest commune of Santiago), Jadue doing really good.

In the right the picture is clear, Sichel will be the candidate and Desbordes is politically dead


Edit: Now Boric getting very close to Jadue, it will be interesting.

Keep in mind that Jadue doing really well in Maipú at that point was something like 10 votes to Boric’s 5. Let’s not Atlas ourselves, folks.

A few thousand votes in and Boric is dominating Magallanes of course. Sichel narrowly leading.

[seb_pard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4W7C9bQV1k

Live counting in Maipu (2nd largest commune of Santiago), Jadue doing really good.

In the right the picture is clear, Sichel will be the candidate and Desbordes is politically dead


Edit: Now Boric getting very close to Jadue, it will be interesting.

Keep in mind that Jadue doing really well in Maipú at that point was something like 10 votes to Boric’s 5. Let’s not Atlas ourselves, folks.

A few thousand votes in and Boric is dominating Magallanes of course. Sichel narrowly leading.

Yeah of course, but I love to dramatize the elections, and also I except Maipu to be strong for Boric (is one of the friendliest parts to the Broad Front in the country since the beginning) so seeing at the beginning Jadue 15 and Boric 7 shocked me a little bit.

[kaoras]

Decide Chile apparently isn't doing maps. My disappointment is incommensurable and my day is ruined. Boric is also winning in few stations in Santiago and Puente Alto

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4W7C9bQV1k

Live counting in Maipu (2nd largest commune of Santiago), Jadue doing really good.

In the right the picture is clear, Sichel will be the candidate and Desbordes is politically dead


Edit: Now Boric getting very close to Jadue, it will be interesting.

Keep in mind that Jadue doing really well in Maipú at that point was something like 10 votes to Boric’s 5. Let’s not Atlas ourselves, folks.

A few thousand votes in and Boric is dominating Magallanes of course. Sichel narrowly leading.

Yeah of course, but I love to dramatize the elections, and also I except Maipu to be strong for Boric (is one of the friendliest parts to the Broad Front in the country since the beginning) so seeing at the beginning Jadue 15 and Boric 7 shocked me a little bit.

Of course. We’re all messy bitches who live for drama here.

[Mike88]

Just a clarification, sorry for the comparison, but the Boric vs Jardue race is basically the same as a Left Bloc vs Communist Party race in my country, right?