COVID-19 Megathread 5: The Trumps catch COVID-19

[Progressive Pessimist]

So if this is happening with baseball why does anyone still think that it's a good idea for our schools to go through this too? I know that childrens' education is important, but there has to be a way to help them get it that accounts for these extenuating circumstances, but some states haven't even bothered considering them.

[GeorgiaModerate]

https://twitter.com/dandrezner/status/1287847323993858048

[Landslide Lyndon]

It's almost certain that tomorrow Florida will surpass New York in number of cases.

[Landslide Lyndon]

It's almost certain that tomorrow Florida will surpass New York in number of cases.

Happened yesterday, when the state reported 423,855 total cases to New York's 415,827.

Worldmeter has now Florida at 432747 and New York at 440444.

[Dr. Arch]

The updated numbers for COVID-19 in the U.S. are in for 7/27 per: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

I'm keeping track of these updates daily and updating at the end of the day, whenever all states finish reporting for that day.

New - Substituting the Δ Change metric as of 7/13 on dates starting from 7/5:
ΔW Change: Comparisons of Weekly Day-to-day Growth or Decline of COVID-19 Spread/Deaths.

• IE: Comparing the numbers to the same day of last week, are we flattening the curve enough?

Σ Increase: A day's contribution to overall percentage growth of COVID-19 cases/deaths.

• IE: What's the overall change in the total?

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7/19: <Sunday>

• Cases: 3,896,855 (+63,584 | ΔW Change: ↑8.97% | Σ Increase: ↑1.66%)
• Deaths: 143,269 (+392 | ΔW Change: ↑3.43% | Σ Increase: ↑0.27%)

7/20: <M>

• Cases: 3,961,429 (+64,574 | ΔW Change: ↓1.40% | Σ Increase: ↑1.66%)
• Deaths: 143,834 (+565 | ΔW Change: ↑21.51% | Σ Increase: ↑0.39%)

7/21: <T>

• Cases: 4,028,569 (+67,140 | ΔW Change: ↑2.36% | Σ Increase: ↑1.69%)
• Deaths: 144,953 (+1,119 | ΔW Change: ↑24.85% | Σ Increase: ↑0.78%)

7/22: <W>

• Cases: 4,100,875 (+72,306 | ΔW Change: ↑0.89% | Σ Increase: ↑1.79%)
• Deaths: 146,183 (+1,230 | ΔW Change: ↑23.37% | Σ Increase: ↑0.85%)

7/23: <Þ>

• Cases: 4,169,991 (+69,116 | ΔW Change: ↓11.70% | Σ Increase: ↑1.69%)
• Deaths: 147,333 (+1,150 | ΔW Change: ↑17.59% | Σ Increase: ↑0.79%)

7/24: <F>

• Cases: 4,248,327 (+78,336 | ΔW Change: ↑4.47% | Σ Increase: ↑1.88%)
• Deaths: 148,490 (+1,157 | ΔW Change: ↑22.30% | Σ Increase: ↑0.79%)

7/25: <S>

• Cases: 4,315,678 (+67,351 | ΔW Change: ↑6.47% | Σ Increase: ↑1.59%)
• Deaths: 149,395 (+905 | ΔW Change: ↑11.32% | Σ Increase: ↑0.61%)

7/26 (Yesterday): <Sunday>

• Cases: 4,371,839 (+56,151 | ΔW Change: ↓11.24% | Σ Increase: ↑1.30%)
• Deaths: 149,849 (+454 | ΔW Change: ↑15.82% | Σ Increase: ↑0.30%)

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• Cases: 4,433,392 (+61,553 | ΔW Change: ↓4.68% | Σ Increase: ↑1.41%)
• Deaths: 150,444 (+595 | ΔW Change: ↑5.31% | Σ Increase: ↑0.40%)

[RINO Tom]

So if this is happening with baseball why does anyone still think that it's a good idea for our schools to go through this too? I know that childrens' education is important, but there has to be a way to help them get it that accounts for these extenuating circumstances, but some states haven't even bothered considering them.

Unless there are articulated strategies besides "stay quarantined," the default will continue to be to move toward "normal."  That's just the reality of it.  So, we need our experts to understand that we inevitably aren't going to take a 110% epidemiologist-based strategy for an indefinite number of months, just as policy is never dictate by one sole field of expertise over the long haul, no matter how relevant the expertise is; there are just too many other factors that people start to consider after a while, with these two being especially important in the Chicago area:

1) Only one in three Chicago public school kids have access to a computer at home; that does not even account for children sharing in certain households, let alone having parents that will enforce the learning.

2) A huge number of parents in the Chicago public school system who are essential workers cannot afford regular childcare costs while they go to work.

Remaining locked down is not feasible in ANY community where there are enough ICU beds, and this has become obvious to 95%+ of all people.  So, experts should throw their energy behind endorsing "reopening"-type activities and seizing the opportunity to put their stamps on it to make sure it's as safe as it will ever be.  It's not really about "science" or "economics" or "moral concerns" anymore ... it's about what we can logically expect of a population of 300 million.  There are communities with literally hardly any COVID, let alone community spread, and they are understandably annoyed at the idea of a one-size-fits-all strategy; similarly, there are people in large cities that had a lot of cases early on (e.g., Chicago) that have a different outlook, as they should.

I think people need to accept that you're either going to have too strict of measures that people will ignore or less-than-perfect measures that people might actually follow.  The latter is better 100% of the time.

[Sprouts Farmers Market ✘]

Remaining locked down is not feasible in ANY community where there are enough ICU beds, and this has become obvious to 95%+ of all people. 

Has it really? I'm not sure polling holds this to be true unless people are simply answering one way about how other people should behave and ignoring it themselves.

[Pericles]

Remaining locked down is not feasible in ANY community where there are enough ICU beds, and this has become obvious to 95%+ of all people. 

No, the point of lockdowns is to bring it down to a low enough level where a mitigation strategy of social distancing, and testing and tracing new cases can work. However, states like Florida stopped the lockdown too early so it didn't actually get to bring case numbers down to a manageable level and did not put in the work of building the infrastructure so that testing and tracing can contain flare-ups. So of course, there is a second spike, and of course then preventable deaths occur.

[Bandit3 the Worker]

I just can't believe anyone thinks the states ended the lockdowns too early.

Apparently, New York is doing quite well since they ended the real lockdown stage. People are crowding beaches maskless, and the number of new cases is mighty low.

[Holmes]

I just can't believe anyone thinks the states ended the lockdowns too early.

Apparently, New York is doing quite well since they ended the real lockdown stage. People are crowding beaches maskless, and the number of new cases is mighty low.

Congraturitos to New York but there are other states too, and many ended the lockdown and are now surging in cases and deaths.

[Bandit3 the Worker]

I just can't believe anyone thinks the states ended the lockdowns too early.

Apparently, New York is doing quite well since they ended the real lockdown stage. People are crowding beaches maskless, and the number of new cases is mighty low.

Congraturitos to New York but there are other states too, and many ended the lockdown and are now surging in cases and deaths.

Cases in states like Arizona and Texas are dropping like a rock now too.

[Holmes]

I just can't believe anyone thinks the states ended the lockdowns too early.

Apparently, New York is doing quite well since they ended the real lockdown stage. People are crowding beaches maskless, and the number of new cases is mighty low.

Congraturitos to New York but there are other states too, and many ended the lockdown and are now surging in cases and deaths.

Cases in states like Arizona and Texas are dropping like a rock now too.

Why do you keep cherry picking certain states to try to prove your point when there are many other states where the lockdowns ended early and are still struggling? Particularly in the South. And it’s not like a dip in cases now means it can’t and won’t go back up in the future.

[TJ in Oregon]

Remaining locked down is not feasible in ANY community where there are enough ICU beds, and this has become obvious to 95%+ of all people. 

No, the point of lockdowns is to bring it down to a low enough level where a mitigation strategy of social distancing, and testing and tracing new cases can work. However, states like Florida stopped the lockdown too early so it didn't actually get to bring case numbers down to a manageable level and did not put in the work of building the infrastructure so that testing and tracing can contain flare-ups. So of course, there is a second spike, and of course then preventable deaths occur.

No, Florida's cases absolutely were at a managable level when they ended the lockdown... they just didn't manage it. Florida was hardly affected by the first wave in the US.

[Mr. Illini]

https://twitter.com/chicagosmayor/status/1288139103821688834?s=21

Always lots of travel between Illinois and Wisconsin, so this will present an issue for a lot of folks, though they have no mean of enforcing it.

I’m happy with the steps that the mayor is taking. We shouldn’t have to suffer because we were responsible while other states were irresponsible.

[DINGO Joe]

Meet the Trump's favorite new doctor

https://www.thedailybeast.com/stella-immanuel-trumps-new-covid-doctor-believes-in-alien-dna-demon-sperm-and-hydroxychloroquine?source=articles&via=rss

A Houston doctor who praises hydroxychloroquine and says that face masks aren’t necessary to stop transmission of the highly contagious coronavirus has become a star on the right-wing internet, garnering tens of millions of views on Facebook on Monday alone. Donald Trump Jr. declared the video of Stella Immanuel a “must watch,” while Donald Trump himself retweeted the video.

Before Trump and his supporters embrace Immanuel’s medical expertise, though, they should consider other medical claims Immanuel has made—including those about alien DNA and the physical effects of having sex with witches and demons in your dreams.

Could be the new head of the CDC

[Fmr. Gov. NickG]

Remaining locked down is not feasible in ANY community where there are enough ICU beds, and this has become obvious to 95%+ of all people. 

No, the point of lockdowns is to bring it down to a low enough level where a mitigation strategy of social distancing, and testing and tracing new cases can work. However, states like Florida stopped the lockdown too early so it didn't actually get to bring case numbers down to a manageable level and did not put in the work of building the infrastructure so that testing and tracing can contain flare-ups. So of course, there is a second spike, and of course then preventable deaths occur.

In a lot of states, the lockdown was not bringing cases down.  Look at the graphs of California or Texas or North Carolina or Arizona.  The lockdown in these places was supressing the rate of growth, but the infection was still growing.  Even Florida’s cases were almost completely flat under lockdown.  Under these conditions, where the lockdown never reduces cases, how do you know when to end it?  At a certain point, you need to accept that the lockdown was a failure and try a different tactic.

[Storr]

Meet the Trump's favorite new doctor

https://www.thedailybeast.com/stella-immanuel-trumps-new-covid-doctor-believes-in-alien-dna-demon-sperm-and-hydroxychloroquine?source=articles&via=rss

A Houston doctor who praises hydroxychloroquine and says that face masks aren’t necessary to stop transmission of the highly contagious coronavirus has become a star on the right-wing internet, garnering tens of millions of views on Facebook on Monday alone. Donald Trump Jr. declared the video of Stella Immanuel a “must watch,” while Donald Trump himself retweeted the video.

Before Trump and his supporters embrace Immanuel’s medical expertise, though, they should consider other medical claims Immanuel has made—including those about alien DNA and the physical effects of having sex with witches and demons in your dreams.

Could be the new head of the CDC

Holy yikes:

"Immanuel, a pediatrician and a religious minister, has a history of making bizarre claims about medical topics and other issues. She has often claimed that gynecological problems like cysts and endometriosis are in fact caused by people having sex in their dreams with demons and witches.

She alleges alien DNA is currently used in medical treatments, and that scientists are cooking up a vaccine to prevent people from being religious. And, despite appearing in Washington, D.C. to lobby Congress on Monday, she has said that the government is run in part not by humans but by “reptilians” and other aliens."

"Immanuel is a registered physician in Texas, according to a Texas Medical Board database, and operates a medical clinic out of a strip mall next to her church, Firepower Ministries.

Immanuel was born in Cameroon and received her medical degree in Nigeria."

"In the sermon, Immanuel preserved special vitriol for the Magic 8-Ball, a toy that can be shaken up to “reveal” any answer. Immanuel claims the otherwise innocuous Magic 8-Ball was in fact a scheme to get children used to witchcraft.

“The 8-Ball was a psychic,” she said. "

[GeorgiaModerate]

https://twitter.com/EvanFeigenbaum/status/1288151831282057217

[Beet]

78% of COVID-19 patients show signs of heart damage after recovery

The team tracked patients who had experienced a wide variety of outcomes after their diagnosis. Just two of the 100 patients had to undergo mechanical ventilation, for example, and oxygen supplementation was required in 28 patients.

All participants underwent cardiac MR imaging using “standardized and unified” protocols on 3T MRI scanners. The cohort was compared with 50 healthy control patients and 57 risk factor-matched patients.

Overall, the team found that 78 patients had abnormal imaging findings. Findings included raised myocardial native T1 (73 patients), raised myocardial native T2 (60 patients), myocardial late gadolinium enhancement (32 patients) and pericardial enhancement (22 patients). Three patients underwent a biopsy after severe abnormalities were detected; “active lymphocytic inflammation” was present in these patients, but “no evidence of any viral genome.”

https://www.cardiovascularbusiness.com/topics/cardiovascular-imaging/78-covid-19-patients-heart-damage-recovery

[Penn_Quaker_Girl]

78% of COVID-19 patients show signs of heart damage after recovery

The team tracked patients who had experienced a wide variety of outcomes after their diagnosis. Just two of the 100 patients had to undergo mechanical ventilation, for example, and oxygen supplementation was required in 28 patients.

All participants underwent cardiac MR imaging using “standardized and unified” protocols on 3T MRI scanners. The cohort was compared with 50 healthy control patients and 57 risk factor-matched patients.

Overall, the team found that 78 patients had abnormal imaging findings. Findings included raised myocardial native T1 (73 patients), raised myocardial native T2 (60 patients), myocardial late gadolinium enhancement (32 patients) and pericardial enhancement (22 patients). Three patients underwent a biopsy after severe abnormalities were detected; “active lymphocytic inflammation” was present in these patients, but “no evidence of any viral genome.”

https://www.cardiovascularbusiness.com/topics/cardiovascular-imaging/78-covid-19-patients-heart-damage-recovery

Myo. late gadolinium enhancement is absolutely fascinating - - good way to detect the presence of cardiac scar tissue.  

[Beet]

The worst news to come out of this study is:

"Taken together, we demonstrate cardiac involvement in 78 patients (78%) and ongoing myocardial inflammation in 60 patients (60%) with recent COVID-19 illness, independent of preexisting conditions, severity and overall course of the acute illness, and the time from the original diagnosis."

That means you can have very mild or even no symptoms and still have heart damage that could well be permanent.

[Landslide Lyndon]

Meet the Trump's favorite new doctor

https://www.thedailybeast.com/stella-immanuel-trumps-new-covid-doctor-believes-in-alien-dna-demon-sperm-and-hydroxychloroquine?source=articles&via=rss

A Houston doctor who praises hydroxychloroquine and says that face masks aren’t necessary to stop transmission of the highly contagious coronavirus has become a star on the right-wing internet, garnering tens of millions of views on Facebook on Monday alone. Donald Trump Jr. declared the video of Stella Immanuel a “must watch,” while Donald Trump himself retweeted the video.

Before Trump and his supporters embrace Immanuel’s medical expertise, though, they should consider other medical claims Immanuel has made—including those about alien DNA and the physical effects of having sex with witches and demons in your dreams.

Could be the new head of the CDC

Holy yikes:

"Immanuel, a pediatrician and a religious minister, has a history of making bizarre claims about medical topics and other issues. She has often claimed that gynecological problems like cysts and endometriosis are in fact caused by people having sex in their dreams with demons and witches.

She alleges alien DNA is currently used in medical treatments, and that scientists are cooking up a vaccine to prevent people from being religious. And, despite appearing in Washington, D.C. to lobby Congress on Monday, she has said that the government is run in part not by humans but by “reptilians” and other aliens."

"Immanuel is a registered physician in Texas, according to a Texas Medical Board database, and operates a medical clinic out of a strip mall next to her church, Firepower Ministries.

Immanuel was born in Cameroon and received her medical degree in Nigeria."

"In the sermon, Immanuel preserved special vitriol for the Magic 8-Ball, a toy that can be shaken up to “reveal” any answer. Immanuel claims the otherwise innocuous Magic 8-Ball was in fact a scheme to get children used to witchcraft.

“The 8-Ball was a psychic,” she said. "

Sounds legit.

[It’s so Joever]

78% of COVID-19 patients show signs of heart damage after recovery

The team tracked patients who had experienced a wide variety of outcomes after their diagnosis. Just two of the 100 patients had to undergo mechanical ventilation, for example, and oxygen supplementation was required in 28 patients.

All participants underwent cardiac MR imaging using “standardized and unified” protocols on 3T MRI scanners. The cohort was compared with 50 healthy control patients and 57 risk factor-matched patients.

Overall, the team found that 78 patients had abnormal imaging findings. Findings included raised myocardial native T1 (73 patients), raised myocardial native T2 (60 patients), myocardial late gadolinium enhancement (32 patients) and pericardial enhancement (22 patients). Three patients underwent a biopsy after severe abnormalities were detected; “active lymphocytic inflammation” was present in these patients, but “no evidence of any viral genome.”

https://www.cardiovascularbusiness.com/topics/cardiovascular-imaging/78-covid-19-patients-heart-damage-recovery

I am waiting for Del Tachi to claim this study is rigged.
Also would be good to follow up on this in a few months.

[DabbingSanta]

July 28th update. We have seen a large increase in deaths in the South in the last couple weeks, with Mississippi now surpassing 50 deaths per 100,000 people.  Some rural counties in the south have reported extreme rates of infection. In Lee County, AR, 1 in 10 people living in the county have tested positive. Interesting to see how isolated areas have largely avoided the ravages of the virus — for example, I can imagine if transmission was widespread in Alaska the results would be devastating, especially in the Indigenous communities.

[DabbingSanta]

78% of COVID-19 patients show signs of heart damage after recovery

We still don't know the true ravages of the virus, but if this proves accurate it may greatly impact life expectancy in the U.S. and worldwide through 2040. Let's say 50% of the population gets the virus, and 78% of those people sustain heart problems — that's over 100 million people in the States alone. There's no doubt in my mind we will start seeing a significant number of people die in the next few years, along with an extremely overwhelmed health care system.