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« Reply #4600 on: July 16, 2020, 06:55:06 PM »

'Science should not stand in the way' of schools reopening, White House Press Secretary Kayleigh McEnany says
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White House Press Secretary Kayleigh McEnany on Thursday emphasized that schools reopening this fall shouldn't be contingent on science surrounding coronavirus, but then claimed the "science is on our side here" as the pandemic continues unabated.

In response to a question about what President Donald Trump would say to parents who have kids in school districts that may be online-only, McEnany said: “The president has said unmistakably that he wants schools to open. And when he says open, he means open in full, kids been able to attend each and every day at their school.

"The science should not stand in the way of this,” she added, saying it is "perfectly safe" to fully reopen all classrooms.
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« Reply #4601 on: July 16, 2020, 08:18:00 PM »

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« Reply #4602 on: July 16, 2020, 08:50:38 PM »

The updated numbers for COVID-19 in the U.S. are in for 7/16 per: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

I'm keeping track of these updates daily and updating at the end of the day, whenever all states finish reporting for that day.

New - Substituting the Δ Change metric as of 7/13 on dates starting from 7/5:
ΔW Change: Comparisons of Weekly Day-to-day Growth or Decline of COVID-19 Spread/Deaths.
  • IE: Comparing the numbers to the same day of last week, are we flattening the curve enough?

Σ Increase: A day's contribution to overall percentage growth of COVID-19 cases/deaths.
  • IE: What's the overall change in the total?

Older Numbers (Hidden in spoiler mode to make the post more compact)


7/5: <Sunday>
  • Cases: 2,982,928 (+47,158 | ΔW Change: ↑16.32% | Σ Increase: ↑1.61%)
  • Deaths: 132,569 (+251 | ΔW Change: ↓11.93% | Σ Increase: ↑0.19%)

7/6: <M>
  • Cases: 3,040,833 (+57,905 | ΔW Change: ↑29.47% | Σ Increase: ↑1.94%)
  • Deaths: 132,979 (+410 | ΔW Change: ↑19.88% | Σ Increase: ↑0.31%)

7/7: <T>
  • Cases: 3,097,084 (+56,251 | ΔW Change: ↑22.15% | Σ Increase: ↑1.85%)
  • Deaths: 133,972 (+993 | ΔW Change: ↓26.06% | Σ Increase: ↑0.75%)

7/8: <W>
  • Cases: 3,158,734 (+61,650 | ΔW Change: ↑18.33% | Σ Increase: ↑1.99%)
  • Deaths: 134,854 (+882 | ΔW Change: ↑30.47% | Σ Increase: ↑0.66%)

7/9: <Þ>
  • Cases: 3,219,999 (+61,265 | ΔW Change: ↑7.04% | Σ Increase: ↑1.94%)
  • Deaths: 135,822 (+968 | ΔW Change: ↑40.90% | Σ Increase: ↑0.72%)

7/10: <F>
  • Cases: 3,291,786 (+71,787 | ΔW Change: ↑34.44% | Σ Increase: ↑2.23%)
  • Deaths: 136,671 (+849 | ΔW Change: ↑37.82% | Σ Increase: ↑0.63%)

7/11: <S>
  • Cases: 3,355,646 (+63,860 | ΔW Change: ↑41.34% | Σ Increase: ↑1.94%)
  • Deaths: 137,403 (+732 | ΔW Change: ↑245.28% | Σ Increase: ↑0.54%)

7/12: <Sunday>
  • Cases: 3,413,995 (+58,349 | ΔW Change: ↑23.73% | Σ Increase: ↑1.74%)
  • Deaths: 137,782 (+379 | ΔW Change: ↑51.00% | Σ Increase: ↑0.28%)

7/13: <M>
  • Cases: 3,479,483 (+65,488 | ΔW Change: ↑13.10% | Σ Increase: ↑1.74%)
  • Deaths: 138,247 (+465 | ΔW Change: ↑13.41% | Σ Increase: ↑0.28%)

7/14: <T>
  • Cases: 3,545,077 (+65,594 | ΔW Change: ↑16.61% | Σ Increase: ↑1.89%)
  • Deaths: 139,143 (+896 | ΔW Change: ↓9.77% | Σ Increase: ↑0.65%)

7/15 (Yesterday): <W>
  • Cases: 3,616,747 (+71,670 | ΔW Change: ↑13.61% | Σ Increase: ↑2.02%)
  • Deaths: 140,140 (+997 | ΔW Change: ↑16.25% | Σ Increase: ↑0.72%)

7/16 (Today): <Þ>
  • Cases: 3,695,025 (+78,278 | ΔW Change: ↑27.77% | Σ Increase: ↑2.16%)
  • Deaths: 141,118 (+978 | ΔW Change: ↑1.03% | Σ Increase: ↑0.70%)
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« Reply #4603 on: July 16, 2020, 08:52:04 PM »
« Edited: July 17, 2020, 12:27:22 AM by Arch »

Almost 80,000 new cases today alone. We're looking at somewhere north of or close to 90,000 new cases tomorrow (Friday is usually the highest day of the week).

The U.S. is quickly approaching the point of no return on averting a healthcare system collapse in a good number of states that are experiencing the loci of these recent outbreaks.
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« Reply #4604 on: July 16, 2020, 09:06:24 PM »
« Edited: July 16, 2020, 09:09:43 PM by Fmr. Gov. NickG »

Almost 80,000 new cases today alone. We're looking at somewhere north of or close to 90,000 new cases tomorrow (Friday is usually the highest day of the week).

The U.S. is quickly approaching the point of no return on averting a healthcare system collapse in a good number of states that are experiencingthe loci of these recent outbreaks.

Worldometers is reporting 73,000 new cases today.  Which is a record, but only narrowly more than the 72,000 from yesterday.  The reason you’re seeing a 78k increase in the total is the addition of almost 5,000 backlogged cases from Bexar County, TX.

I was surprised when you said Fridays are usually the highest day for cases, but I looked back at the data, and it seems you are right.  I wonder why that is, considering they are usually slightly lower than Tues-Thurs for deaths.
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« Reply #4605 on: July 16, 2020, 09:29:43 PM »

Everything is fine.



Oh no...  Sad  If DeSantis and the federal government don't take immediate and stern action, this is going to get disastrously ugly very quickly.

It might already be too late, given the lag between infections and it getting to the stage that they need ICU care.

^This. The appropriate time for action was two weeks ago. If DeSantis doesn’t act now, Florida could reach a level of suffering not seen since Wuhan in February, or Lombardy in March.


In regards to masks and schools reopening, I tend to agree with you Democrats.  There's no reason they should have sent kids to summer camp either. Also, there's definitely a hotspots which were stimulated by businesses opening up.  Myrtle Beach comes to mind. It's just stupid behavior.

However, a huge portion of the current outbreak in Florida, Texas, and California resulted from farming facilities and communities with large populations of hispanic migrant workers, some of which travelled from Northern areas for harvesting.  April was the end of the growing season in Florida, so many people just decided to go back to their homes in Collier, Lee, and western Miami Dade County. The town of Immakolee (24,000) has seen more cases than numerous cities with populations over 100,000.  All the migratory, rural areas and towns within 25 miles of Immakolee have double the Covid cases of Fort Lauderdale. If you look at a time lapse of hotspots in Miami, FL, you'll see those areas start in inland areas of South Florida and expand towards West Miami, Pembroke Pines, Hollywood, and Davie.  The areas with lesser rates of infections are bits and pieces along the coast.  The other migrants went North to other farmhouses in the Southeast, as indicated on the map.  The media and politicians are just ignoring this issues, but that didn't help anybody. We could have got them supplies and testing.  
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Traditional-Farmworker-Migration-Streams-generalized_fig1_334710206

Essentially, the only way to stop the spread is to ban interstate travel, and that's an even touchier subject for everybody. But look at this map of the Spanish Flu spread.  All the hotspots and migratory patterns are identical to the Global map of confirmed cases, and this thing is now in all the climate zones living in a diverse human population with other viruses and bacterias.  This is almost guaranteed to mutate, recombinate and whatevr.  The more it spreads, the more it evolves.  The worst cases scenario is that it teams up with friends to form a hybrid virus.  
https://africacenter.org/spotlight/lessons-1918-1919-spanish-flu-africa/
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« Reply #4606 on: July 16, 2020, 10:11:35 PM »

Everything is fine.



Oh no...  Sad  If DeSantis and the federal government don't take immediate and stern action, this is going to get disastrously ugly very quickly.

It might already be too late, given the lag between infections and it getting to the stage that they need ICU care.

^This. The appropriate time for action was two weeks ago. If DeSantis doesn’t act now, Florida could reach a level of suffering not seen since Wuhan in February, or Lombardy in March.


In regards to masks and schools reopening, I tend to agree with you Democrats.  There's no reason they should have sent kids to summer camp either. Also, there's definitely a hotspots which were stimulated by businesses opening up.  Myrtle Beach comes to mind. It's just stupid behavior.

However, a huge portion of the current outbreak in Florida, Texas, and California resulted from farming facilities and communities with large populations of hispanic migrant workers, some of which travelled from Northern areas for harvesting.  April was the end of the growing season in Florida, so many people just decided to go back to their homes in Collier, Lee, and western Miami Dade County. The town of Immakolee (24,000) has seen more cases than numerous cities with populations over 100,000.  All the migratory, rural areas and towns within 25 miles of Immakolee have double the Covid cases of Fort Lauderdale. If you look at a time lapse of hotspots in Miami, FL, you'll see those areas start in inland areas of South Florida and expand towards West Miami, Pembroke Pines, Hollywood, and Davie.  The areas with lesser rates of infections are bits and pieces along the coast.  The other migrants went North to other farmhouses in the Southeast, as indicated on the map.  The media and politicians are just ignoring this issues, but that didn't help anybody. We could have got them supplies and testing.  
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Traditional-Farmworker-Migration-Streams-generalized_fig1_334710206

Essentially, the only way to stop the spread is to ban interstate travel, and that's an even touchier subject for everybody. But look at this map of the Spanish Flu spread.  All the hotspots and migratory patterns are identical to the Global map of confirmed cases, and this thing is now in all the climate zones living in a diverse human population with other viruses and bacterias.  This is almost guaranteed to mutate, recombinate and whatevr.  The more it spreads, the more it evolves.  The worst cases scenario is that it teams up with friends to form a hybrid virus.  
https://africacenter.org/spotlight/lessons-1918-1919-spanish-flu-africa/
We should have banned interstate travel where possible back in March or April.
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« Reply #4607 on: July 16, 2020, 10:20:18 PM »

Everything is fine.



Oh no...  Sad  If DeSantis and the federal government don't take immediate and stern action, this is going to get disastrously ugly very quickly.

It might already be too late, given the lag between infections and it getting to the stage that they need ICU care.

^This. The appropriate time for action was two weeks ago. If DeSantis doesn’t act now, Florida could reach a level of suffering not seen since Wuhan in February, or Lombardy in March.


In regards to masks and schools reopening, I tend to agree with you Democrats.  There's no reason they should have sent kids to summer camp either. Also, there's definitely a hotspots which were stimulated by businesses opening up.  Myrtle Beach comes to mind. It's just stupid behavior.

However, a huge portion of the current outbreak in Florida, Texas, and California resulted from farming facilities and communities with large populations of hispanic migrant workers, some of which travelled from Northern areas for harvesting.  April was the end of the growing season in Florida, so many people just decided to go back to their homes in Collier, Lee, and western Miami Dade County. The town of Immakolee (24,000) has seen more cases than numerous cities with populations over 100,000.  All the migratory, rural areas and towns within 25 miles of Immakolee have double the Covid cases of Fort Lauderdale. If you look at a time lapse of hotspots in Miami, FL, you'll see those areas start in inland areas of South Florida and expand towards West Miami, Pembroke Pines, Hollywood, and Davie.  The areas with lesser rates of infections are bits and pieces along the coast.  The other migrants went North to other farmhouses in the Southeast, as indicated on the map.  The media and politicians are just ignoring this issues, but that didn't help anybody. We could have got them supplies and testing.  
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Traditional-Farmworker-Migration-Streams-generalized_fig1_334710206

Essentially, the only way to stop the spread is to ban interstate travel, and that's an even touchier subject for everybody. But look at this map of the Spanish Flu spread.  All the hotspots and migratory patterns are identical to the Global map of confirmed cases, and this thing is now in all the climate zones living in a diverse human population with other viruses and bacterias.  This is almost guaranteed to mutate, recombinate and whatevr.  The more it spreads, the more it evolves.  The worst cases scenario is that it teams up with friends to form a hybrid virus.  
https://africacenter.org/spotlight/lessons-1918-1919-spanish-flu-africa/
We should have banned interstate travel where possible back in March or April.


Problem is that's not feasible in a lot of places. How do you close the border between New York, Connecticut and New Jersey? Or between Maryland, Virginia and DC?
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« Reply #4608 on: July 16, 2020, 10:36:02 PM »

Everything is fine.



Oh no...  Sad  If DeSantis and the federal government don't take immediate and stern action, this is going to get disastrously ugly very quickly.

It might already be too late, given the lag between infections and it getting to the stage that they need ICU care.

^This. The appropriate time for action was two weeks ago. If DeSantis doesn’t act now, Florida could reach a level of suffering not seen since Wuhan in February, or Lombardy in March.


In regards to masks and schools reopening, I tend to agree with you Democrats.  There's no reason they should have sent kids to summer camp either. Also, there's definitely a hotspots which were stimulated by businesses opening up.  Myrtle Beach comes to mind. It's just stupid behavior.

However, a huge portion of the current outbreak in Florida, Texas, and California resulted from farming facilities and communities with large populations of hispanic migrant workers, some of which travelled from Northern areas for harvesting.  April was the end of the growing season in Florida, so many people just decided to go back to their homes in Collier, Lee, and western Miami Dade County. The town of Immakolee (24,000) has seen more cases than numerous cities with populations over 100,000.  All the migratory, rural areas and towns within 25 miles of Immakolee have double the Covid cases of Fort Lauderdale. If you look at a time lapse of hotspots in Miami, FL, you'll see those areas start in inland areas of South Florida and expand towards West Miami, Pembroke Pines, Hollywood, and Davie.  The areas with lesser rates of infections are bits and pieces along the coast.  The other migrants went North to other farmhouses in the Southeast, as indicated on the map.  The media and politicians are just ignoring this issues, but that didn't help anybody. We could have got them supplies and testing.  
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Traditional-Farmworker-Migration-Streams-generalized_fig1_334710206

Essentially, the only way to stop the spread is to ban interstate travel, and that's an even touchier subject for everybody. But look at this map of the Spanish Flu spread.  All the hotspots and migratory patterns are identical to the Global map of confirmed cases, and this thing is now in all the climate zones living in a diverse human population with other viruses and bacterias.  This is almost guaranteed to mutate, recombinate and whatevr.  The more it spreads, the more it evolves.  The worst cases scenario is that it teams up with friends to form a hybrid virus.  
https://africacenter.org/spotlight/lessons-1918-1919-spanish-flu-africa/
We should have banned interstate travel where possible back in March or April.


Problem is that's not feasible in a lot of places. How do you close the border between New York, Connecticut and New Jersey? Or between Maryland, Virginia and DC?
By where possible, I thought it was assumed that cities straddling the border don’t count.
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« Reply #4609 on: July 16, 2020, 11:30:29 PM »

Everything is fine.



Oh no...  Sad  If DeSantis and the federal government don't take immediate and stern action, this is going to get disastrously ugly very quickly.

It might already be too late, given the lag between infections and it getting to the stage that they need ICU care.

^This. The appropriate time for action was two weeks ago. If DeSantis doesn’t act now, Florida could reach a level of suffering not seen since Wuhan in February, or Lombardy in March.


In regards to masks and schools reopening, I tend to agree with you Democrats.  There's no reason they should have sent kids to summer camp either. Also, there's definitely a hotspots which were stimulated by businesses opening up.  Myrtle Beach comes to mind. It's just stupid behavior.

However, a huge portion of the current outbreak in Florida, Texas, and California resulted from farming facilities and communities with large populations of hispanic migrant workers, some of which travelled from Northern areas for harvesting.  April was the end of the growing season in Florida, so many people just decided to go back to their homes in Collier, Lee, and western Miami Dade County. The town of Immakolee (24,000) has seen more cases than numerous cities with populations over 100,000.  All the migratory, rural areas and towns within 25 miles of Immakolee have double the Covid cases of Fort Lauderdale. If you look at a time lapse of hotspots in Miami, FL, you'll see those areas start in inland areas of South Florida and expand towards West Miami, Pembroke Pines, Hollywood, and Davie.  The areas with lesser rates of infections are bits and pieces along the coast.  The other migrants went North to other farmhouses in the Southeast, as indicated on the map.  The media and politicians are just ignoring this issues, but that didn't help anybody. We could have got them supplies and testing.  
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Traditional-Farmworker-Migration-Streams-generalized_fig1_334710206

Essentially, the only way to stop the spread is to ban interstate travel, and that's an even touchier subject for everybody. But look at this map of the Spanish Flu spread.  All the hotspots and migratory patterns are identical to the Global map of confirmed cases, and this thing is now in all the climate zones living in a diverse human population with other viruses and bacterias.  This is almost guaranteed to mutate, recombinate and whatevr.  The more it spreads, the more it evolves.  The worst cases scenario is that it teams up with friends to form a hybrid virus.  
https://africacenter.org/spotlight/lessons-1918-1919-spanish-flu-africa/
We should have banned interstate travel where possible back in March or April.


Problem is that's not feasible in a lot of places. How do you close the border between New York, Connecticut and New Jersey? Or between Maryland, Virginia and DC?

I'm willing to try anything that puts barriers between people attempting to gather in crowds or tightly enclosed areas, while allowing people to work at businesses.  I'd put checkpoints on highways and main streets leading to other states, and close down beaches with giant spikes.   It's not easy with this political climate and some people are going to get around.  You can't have hundreds of thousands of white people going to Myrtle Beach and Trump events, and millions of BLM guys and anarchists traveling to cities to protest with locals.  This should be the number one issue for everybody.  
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« Reply #4610 on: July 16, 2020, 11:35:06 PM »

Everything is fine.



Oh no...  Sad  If DeSantis and the federal government don't take immediate and stern action, this is going to get disastrously ugly very quickly.

It might already be too late, given the lag between infections and it getting to the stage that they need ICU care.

^This. The appropriate time for action was two weeks ago. If DeSantis doesn’t act now, Florida could reach a level of suffering not seen since Wuhan in February, or Lombardy in March.


In regards to masks and schools reopening, I tend to agree with you Democrats.  There's no reason they should have sent kids to summer camp either. Also, there's definitely a hotspots which were stimulated by businesses opening up.  Myrtle Beach comes to mind. It's just stupid behavior.

However, a huge portion of the current outbreak in Florida, Texas, and California resulted from farming facilities and communities with large populations of hispanic migrant workers, some of which travelled from Northern areas for harvesting.  April was the end of the growing season in Florida, so many people just decided to go back to their homes in Collier, Lee, and western Miami Dade County. The town of Immakolee (24,000) has seen more cases than numerous cities with populations over 100,000.  All the migratory, rural areas and towns within 25 miles of Immakolee have double the Covid cases of Fort Lauderdale. If you look at a time lapse of hotspots in Miami, FL, you'll see those areas start in inland areas of South Florida and expand towards West Miami, Pembroke Pines, Hollywood, and Davie.  The areas with lesser rates of infections are bits and pieces along the coast.  The other migrants went North to other farmhouses in the Southeast, as indicated on the map.  The media and politicians are just ignoring this issues, but that didn't help anybody. We could have got them supplies and testing.  
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Traditional-Farmworker-Migration-Streams-generalized_fig1_334710206

Essentially, the only way to stop the spread is to ban interstate travel, and that's an even touchier subject for everybody. But look at this map of the Spanish Flu spread.  All the hotspots and migratory patterns are identical to the Global map of confirmed cases, and this thing is now in all the climate zones living in a diverse human population with other viruses and bacterias.  This is almost guaranteed to mutate, recombinate and whatevr.  The more it spreads, the more it evolves.  The worst cases scenario is that it teams up with friends to form a hybrid virus.  
https://africacenter.org/spotlight/lessons-1918-1919-spanish-flu-africa/
We should have banned interstate travel where possible back in March or April.


Problem is that's not feasible in a lot of places. How do you close the border between New York, Connecticut and New Jersey? Or between Maryland, Virginia and DC?
By where possible, I thought it was assumed that cities straddling the border don’t count.

Yeah.  Good point.  We can't really turn DC into a Polish Ghetto.  We'll give DC access to Virginia. 
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« Reply #4611 on: July 17, 2020, 01:12:09 AM »

This is disastrous and shameful:

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On Sunday, Britain recorded 650 new cases of covid-19. Japan recorded 373. Germany had 138. And South Korea, a model in handling the outbreak, identified just 44. Add those four numbers up and you get 1,205 new confirmed cases. The populations of those countries put together is roughly identical to the population of the United States.

And yet, Sunday, the United States recorded 58,349 new cases — by far the highest number in the world. Compared with those peer countries with a similar combined population, the new caseload in the United States is roughly 50 times worse.

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Trump continues to argue — and his Fox News acolytes continue to parrot — the false notion that these differences are due to testing. They are not. Britain has performed 178 tests for every 1,000 residents. The United States, by comparison, has conducted 129 tests for every 1,000 residents. Crucially, while test numbers steadily grow in the United States, some other countries are now not keeping pace — not because they aren’t testing enough but because they just have fewer sick people to test.

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The comparison is even more damning for the White House because the United States had some major advantages going into the pandemic. America is a rich country with low population density. While South Koreans are packed together with 529 people per square kilometer and Britain has 275, the United States has just 36. Arizona, which has one of the worst state outbreaks, has just 23 people per square kilometer. Those differences make physical distancing easier. Moreover, the dominance of car culture in the United States makes it easier to avoid crowded public transportation. And yet, due to an epic failure of Trumpian mismanagement, those advantages were squandered.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/07/13/trumps-performance-covid-19-looks-especially-bad-compared-with-rest-world/

We have seen the sh*thole and it is the U.S.
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« Reply #4612 on: July 17, 2020, 01:32:53 AM »

This is disastrous and shameful:

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On Sunday, Britain recorded 650 new cases of covid-19. Japan recorded 373. Germany had 138. And South Korea, a model in handling the outbreak, identified just 44. Add those four numbers up and you get 1,205 new confirmed cases. The populations of those countries put together is roughly identical to the population of the United States.

And yet, Sunday, the United States recorded 58,349 new cases — by far the highest number in the world. Compared with those peer countries with a similar combined population, the new caseload in the United States is roughly 50 times worse.

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Trump continues to argue — and his Fox News acolytes continue to parrot — the false notion that these differences are due to testing. They are not. Britain has performed 178 tests for every 1,000 residents. The United States, by comparison, has conducted 129 tests for every 1,000 residents. Crucially, while test numbers steadily grow in the United States, some other countries are now not keeping pace — not because they aren’t testing enough but because they just have fewer sick people to test.

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The comparison is even more damning for the White House because the United States had some major advantages going into the pandemic. America is a rich country with low population density. While South Koreans are packed together with 529 people per square kilometer and Britain has 275, the United States has just 36. Arizona, which has one of the worst state outbreaks, has just 23 people per square kilometer. Those differences make physical distancing easier. Moreover, the dominance of car culture in the United States makes it easier to avoid crowded public transportation. And yet, due to an epic failure of Trumpian mismanagement, those advantages were squandered.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/07/13/trumps-performance-covid-19-looks-especially-bad-compared-with-rest-world/

We have seen the sh*thole and it is the U.S.

Good lords. My boss, who is currently weathering out the storm in Taiwan (no community cases on record for a long time now), just messaged me to see how I was doing. The rest of the world is flabbergasted at this disastrous failure.
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« Reply #4613 on: July 17, 2020, 02:46:13 AM »

This is disastrous and shameful:

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On Sunday, Britain recorded 650 new cases of covid-19. Japan recorded 373. Germany had 138. And South Korea, a model in handling the outbreak, identified just 44. Add those four numbers up and you get 1,205 new confirmed cases. The populations of those countries put together is roughly identical to the population of the United States.

And yet, Sunday, the United States recorded 58,349 new cases — by far the highest number in the world. Compared with those peer countries with a similar combined population, the new caseload in the United States is roughly 50 times worse.

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Trump continues to argue — and his Fox News acolytes continue to parrot — the false notion that these differences are due to testing. They are not. Britain has performed 178 tests for every 1,000 residents. The United States, by comparison, has conducted 129 tests for every 1,000 residents. Crucially, while test numbers steadily grow in the United States, some other countries are now not keeping pace — not because they aren’t testing enough but because they just have fewer sick people to test.

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The comparison is even more damning for the White House because the United States had some major advantages going into the pandemic. America is a rich country with low population density. While South Koreans are packed together with 529 people per square kilometer and Britain has 275, the United States has just 36. Arizona, which has one of the worst state outbreaks, has just 23 people per square kilometer. Those differences make physical distancing easier. Moreover, the dominance of car culture in the United States makes it easier to avoid crowded public transportation. And yet, due to an epic failure of Trumpian mismanagement, those advantages were squandered.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/07/13/trumps-performance-covid-19-looks-especially-bad-compared-with-rest-world/

We have seen the sh*thole and it is the U.S.

Good lords. My boss, who is currently weathering out the storm in Taiwan (no community cases on record for a long time now), just messaged me to see how I was doing. The rest of the world is flabbergasted at this disastrous failure.

Taiwan had their pandemic under control by April.
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« Reply #4614 on: July 17, 2020, 05:29:59 AM »

Why does Brian Kemp despise Georgia so much? Where does it stem from, all that hatred against your own homestate?


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Brian Kemp clarified his executive orders to block Atlanta and 14 other local governments from requiring face coverings


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« Reply #4615 on: July 17, 2020, 05:31:54 AM »

Yesterday did see the highest number of tests performed so far, at over 830,000. The national positivity rate is dropping a little.

The situation has been bad since March, but I keep saying today's Arizona is tomorrow's Connecticut. Look how much the Northeast has dropped.
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« Reply #4616 on: July 17, 2020, 05:48:12 AM »

Yesterday did see the highest number of tests performed so far, at over 830,000. The national positivity rate is dropping a little.

The situation has been bad since March, but I keep saying today's Arizona is tomorrow's Connecticut. Look how much the Northeast has dropped.

I’m not seeing Arizona (or any state, really, and I live in Massachusetts) taking the kinds of measures the enables the northeast to recover in May.
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« Reply #4617 on: July 17, 2020, 07:32:47 AM »

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« Reply #4618 on: July 17, 2020, 08:33:45 AM »

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« Reply #4619 on: July 17, 2020, 09:31:46 AM »

The wicked thing about this is that this is the ultimate prediction I made about Republican policies when I first came full politically aware in the wake of 9/11. That is, the healthcare system would collapse either by a sudden crisis or an insurance death spiral in the next 20 years if universal healthcare wasn’t fully adopted.
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« Reply #4620 on: July 17, 2020, 10:12:38 AM »

Why does Brian Kemp despise Georgia so much? Where does it stem from, all that hatred against your own homestate?

It's hatred against local governments controlled by the opposing party.

If he allowed them to regulate masks, who knows what else they might do on issues more important to his party?
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« Reply #4621 on: July 17, 2020, 10:50:42 AM »

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« Reply #4622 on: July 17, 2020, 11:09:12 AM »


It's hatred against local governments controlled by the opposing party.

If he allowed them to regulate masks, who knows what else they might do on issues more important to his party?

The entire conservative ideology that led to Trump in the first place is based on literally nothing but spite and making the other side unhappy no matter the wider consequences to the population. That's it. That's been the hallmark of Trump's policy as well as every governor that follows his lead.
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« Reply #4623 on: July 17, 2020, 12:00:07 PM »

Yesterday did see the highest number of tests performed so far, at over 830,000. The national positivity rate is dropping a little.

The situation has been bad since March, but I keep saying today's Arizona is tomorrow's Connecticut. Look how much the Northeast has dropped.

I’m not seeing Arizona (or any state, really, and I live in Massachusetts) taking the kinds of measures the enables the northeast to recover in May.

It does seem like the virus eventually burns its self out once a certain immunity threshold is reached regardless of measures taken.  Sweden is down to average of 3 deaths per day now; it just look them a little longer than their neighbors.
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« Reply #4624 on: July 17, 2020, 01:48:03 PM »

Yesterday did see the highest number of tests performed so far, at over 830,000. The national positivity rate is dropping a little.

The situation has been bad since March, but I keep saying today's Arizona is tomorrow's Connecticut. Look how much the Northeast has dropped.

I’m not seeing Arizona (or any state, really, and I live in Massachusetts) taking the kinds of measures the enables the northeast to recover in May.

It does seem like the virus eventually burns its self out once a certain immunity threshold is reached regardless of measures taken.  Sweden is down to average of 3 deaths per day now; it just look them a little longer than their neighbors.
One big difference is that most Swedes are aware of the virus, take it seriously and actually comply with their government's recommendations. And of course that the government itself recommends social distancing (on a voluntary basis). Different mentality they have there.
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