MA-SEN Megathread: Senator Markey wins

[Thank you for being a friend...]

Markey has good outreach.  I've received text message + phone call from the Markey people, but nothing from Kennedy, who I voted for in mail-in.

[RogueBeaver]

Pelosi will be appearing at a Kennedy virtual GOTV event tomorrow.

[new_patomic]

They're really committed to the bit

https://twitter.com/laurenkennedyMA/status/1297949176316264448?s=19

[Storr]

They're really committed to the bit

https://twitter.com/laurenkennedyMA/status/1297949176316264448?s=19

This is pathetic.

[brucejoel99]

They're really committed to the bit

https://twitter.com/laurenkennedyMA/status/1297949176316264448?s=19

Ed Markey's campaign: "We condemn all vile & hateful speech surrounding this race."

The Kennedys: "BUT YOU'RE CONDONING IT !!!!11!!"

[Morning in Atlas]

The Kennedys know exactly what they're doing. "Mean tweets" is a dogwhistle for "he's too far left".

You see why I made my judgment on the Pelosi endorsement?

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

The Kennedys know exactly what they're doing. "Mean tweets" is a dogwhistle for "he's too far left".

You see why I made my judgment on the Pelosi endorsement?

No?  This has nothing to do with the Pelosi endorsement.

[Brittain33]

Markey has good outreach.  I've received text message + phone call from the Markey people, but nothing from Kennedy, who I voted for in mail-in.

I actually had to ask politely for the Markey campaign to opt me out after I was pinged for the third time and I'd already told them twice I turned in my ballot. Today I got a text from Indivisible asking the same thing. I guess they have a lot of volunteers texting.

[Brittain33]

The Kennedys know exactly what they're doing. "Mean tweets" is a dogwhistle for "he's too far left".

I support Markey as I've said but I'm unhappy that this bad behavior from certain extremely online people during the primary is carrying over to new campaigns. Ugh.

[voice_of_resistance]

https://twitter.com/JohnMcCormackMA/status/1296902692716060672
Speaker John McCormack and the OSC with a model here. Markey +1 at the moment, seems pretty reasonable, although they do say that Kennedy is picking up momentum that is too early to quantify now.

That town map looks mostly solid, although I don't really get the random Kennedy towns in Western MA.

I agree, the map looks decent but Leverett, Montague, North Adams, and Great Barrington being overwhelmingly for Kennedy in the model seems off.

North Adams - similar to Fall River/New Bedford, dying industrial city with lots of noncol whites
Great Barrington - uber rich New Yorkers
Montague and Leverett may be off, but the Connecticut Valley itself does seem reasonable to have a few towns going to Kennedy.

[Hassan 2022]

https://twitter.com/JohnMcCormackMA/status/1296902692716060672
Speaker John McCormack and the OSC with a model here. Markey +1 at the moment, seems pretty reasonable, although they do say that Kennedy is picking up momentum that is too early to quantify now.

That town map looks mostly solid, although I don't really get the random Kennedy towns in Western MA.

I agree, the map looks decent but Leverett, Montague, North Adams, and Great Barrington being overwhelmingly for Kennedy in the model seems off.

North Adams - similar to Fall River/New Bedford, dying industrial city with lots of noncol whites
Great Barrington - uber rich New Yorkers
Montague and Leverett may be off, but the Connecticut Valley itself does seem reasonable to have a few towns going to Kennedy.

But what would make Great Barrington uniquely pro-Kennedy when nearby Lenox and Stockbridge (which also have many rich New Yorkers) are supposedly much more pro-Markey? And Great Barrington was one of the more pro-Bernie towns in the comparatively wealthy southern portion of Berkshire County in both 2016 and 2020.

[Morning in Atlas]

The Kennedys know exactly what they're doing. "Mean tweets" is a dogwhistle for "he's too far left".

I support Markey as I've said but I'm unhappy that this bad behavior from certain extremely online people during the primary is carrying over to new campaigns. Ugh.

I happen to disagree. If we want to talk about more concrete hypocrisy and double standards, progressives are the only ones who have been held accountable for their supporters. We can debate about whether Pelosi's legitimately defending her friendships with the Kennedy family or not. What we can't debate is that the Joe Kennedys of the world won't hold their allies accountable for the same thing.

I actually thought that they'd pull the same line of attack with other supporters. There's always going to be a "dirtbag progressive" stereotype with any candidate that aligns with leftist ideas like MFA and the GND. There were rumblings of the Bro Playbook being used against Warren by the KHive, but I knew there would be a high-profile use of the same playbook at some point. I just didn't expect hard proof to come this soon.

If you look hard enough, you could find Kennedy supporters making toxic tweets as well. Or, in general, more establishment-leaning progressives. I've actually documented many of the latter here. To keep it short, Douglas Emhoff is friends with a KHive fan who doxed Kamala's enemies on Twitter in her name (and got kicked off DailyKos/DU for being explicitly anti-Semitic). Hillary Clinton sent a thank-you letter to an avowed anti-Semite, and Joy Reid followed someone who made explicit death threats to Bernie.

None of these political figures received any scrutiny for directly assocating with toxic figures in the establishment. If Some Dude with 100 followers makes an explicit death threat towards Kennedy, "real life isn't Twitter" gets thrown out the window and it becomes local news.

There's toxicity everywhere in every major political race - especially with the rise of social media. Instead of getting your news from one of a few options, you can tailor your feed however you like. A left-winger can set up their feed to get their "news" from Virgil Texas the same way that a KHiver can get theirs from Bravenak. Time and time again, only one side is expected to condemn their worst supporters - no matter how insignificant they are.

That's why I believe what I believe, and that's why I don't trust him to lead on progressive issues as much as Markey or even Warren.

[MillennialModerate]

The Kennedys know exactly what they're doing. "Mean tweets" is a dogwhistle for "he's too far left".

I support Markey as I've said but I'm unhappy that this bad behavior from certain extremely online people during the primary is carrying over to new campaigns. Ugh.

I happen to disagree. If we want to talk about more concrete hypocrisy and double standards, progressives are the only ones who have been held accountable for their supporters. We can debate about whether Pelosi's legitimately defending her friendships with the Kennedy family or not. What we can't debate is that the Joe Kennedys of the world won't hold their allies accountable for the same thing.

I actually thought that they'd pull the same line of attack with other supporters. There's always going to be a "dirtbag progressive" stereotype with any candidate that aligns with leftist ideas like MFA and the GND. There were rumblings of the Bro Playbook being used against Warren by the KHive, but I knew there would be a high-profile use of the same playbook at some point. I just didn't expect hard proof to come this soon.

If you look hard enough, you could find Kennedy supporters making toxic tweets as well. Or, in general, more establishment-leaning progressives. I've actually documented many of the latter here. To keep it short, Douglas Emhoff is friends with a KHive fan who doxed Kamala's enemies on Twitter in her name (and got kicked off DailyKos/DU for being explicitly anti-Semitic). Hillary Clinton sent a thank-you letter to an avowed anti-Semite, and Joy Reid followed someone who made explicit death threats to Bernie.

None of these political figures received any scrutiny for directly assocating with toxic figures in the establishment. If Some Dude with 100 followers makes an explicit death threat towards Kennedy, "real life isn't Twitter" gets thrown out the window and it becomes local news.

There's toxicity everywhere in every major political race - especially with the rise of social media. Instead of getting your news from one of a few options, you can tailor your feed however you like. A left-winger can set up their feed to get their "news" from Virgil Texas the same way that a KHiver can get theirs from Bravenak. Time and time again, only one side is expected to condemn their worst supporters - no matter how insignificant they are.

That's why I believe what I believe, and that's why I don't trust him to lead on progressive issues as much as Markey or even Warren.

You sound as tone deaf as the Bernie people who were vile in the presidential primary. Oh wait... you supported Bernie. So I guess this makes sense

[Skye]

https://twitter.com/JohnMcCormackMA/status/1296902692716060672
Speaker John McCormack and the OSC with a model here. Markey +1 at the moment, seems pretty reasonable, although they do say that Kennedy is picking up momentum that is too early to quantify now.

I forgot to add, I find this really impressive. To do a prediction by town must not be easy. Even if it's way off, props to them for the effort.

[Torie]

The towns of that part of Mass are visited frequently by the three boys (I note in passing that rumor has it that dispensaries exist in the area). Anecdotally, Great Barrington is a bit more diverse than Lenox and Stockbridge. In the latter two towns, I think it might be illegal not only to be poor, but to be anything other than rich. How many of such rich Democrats vote in the Berkshires, as opposed to the their address in Manhattan, is another matter.

And then there is the the town of Egremont, that I might be suing because they closed their dog park to non residents even though it is largely empty. That is Unconstitutional, and Massachusetts has a fee shifting statute wherein if one prevails on a Constitutional claim, the governmental entity must pay your legal fees. Their inbred idiot town attorney that brags that his pedigree goes back to the beginning of time in the Berkshires (for white people anyway) advised the town, that 1) my claim had no merit, and 2) that the town should close the park to everyone. Hmmm. Folks, you just cannot make this up. If I get motivated enough to do this (the claim of course would be filed in federal court in Springfield, just to scare the sh*t out of the inbred attorney), and the town chooses option two (screw the residents just to legally screw a non resident), then I plan to get the voter list, and mail a note to everyone (other than the three fossils on the selectboard), that perhaps it is time for them to consider a regime change in the next election, because their town hall denizens appear to be channeling Trump as they sink into a toxic mix of dementia and xenophobia.

I might add that when I appeared at their town meeting by Zoom, it was gratifying to view their mix of fear and loathing (channeling a bit of Hunter Thompson there myself). This particular old man can still make a difference! Who knew?

Oh, the Guidos grocery store in Great Barrington is outstanding - if you can afford it. A couple of night's ago, we consumed some swordfish bought there, and it was to die for.

[Skye]

The towns of that part of Mass are visited frequently by the three boys (I note in passing that rumor has it that dispensaries exist in the area). Anecdotally, Great Barrington is a bit more diverse than Lenox and Stockbridge. In the latter two towns, I think it might be illegal not only to be poor, but to be anything other than rich. How many of such rich Democrats vote in the Berkshires, as opposed to the their address in Manhattan, is another matter.

And then there is the the town of Egremont, that I might be suing because they closed their dog park to non residents even though it is largely empty. That is Unconstitutional, and Massachusetts has a fee shifting statute wherein if one prevails on a Constitutional claim, the governmental entity must pay your legal fees. Their inbred idiot town attorney that brags that his pedigree goes back to the beginning of time in the Berkshires (for white people anyway) advised the town, that 1) my claim had no merit, and 2) that the town should close the park to everyone. Hmmm. Folks, you just cannot make this up. If I get motivated enough to do this (the claim of course would be filed in federal court in Springfield, just to scare the sh*t out of the inbred attorney), and the town chooses option two (screw the residents just to legally screw a non resident), then I plan to get the voter list, and mail a note to everyone (other than the three fossils on the selectboard), that perhaps it is time perhaps for them to consider a regime change in the next election, because their town hall denizens appear to be channeling Trump as they sink into a toxic mix of dementia and xenophobia.

I might add that when I appeared at their town meeting by Zoom, it was gratifying to view their mix of fear and loathing (channeling a bit of Hunter Thompson there myself. This particular old man can still make a difference! Who knew?

Oh, the Guidos grocery store in Great Barrington is outstanding - if you can afford it. A couple of night's ago, we consumed some swordfish bought there, and it was to die for.

Images on the way!

Now this is a name I haven't seen in a while...

[brucejoel99]

The Kennedys know exactly what they're doing. "Mean tweets" is a dogwhistle for "he's too far left".

I support Markey as I've said but I'm unhappy that this bad behavior from certain extremely online people during the primary is carrying over to new campaigns. Ugh.

I happen to disagree. If we want to talk about more concrete hypocrisy and double standards, progressives are the only ones who have been held accountable for their supporters. We can debate about whether Pelosi's legitimately defending her friendships with the Kennedy family or not. What we can't debate is that the Joe Kennedys of the world won't hold their allies accountable for the same thing.

I actually thought that they'd pull the same line of attack with other supporters. There's always going to be a "dirtbag progressive" stereotype with any candidate that aligns with leftist ideas like MFA and the GND. There were rumblings of the Bro Playbook being used against Warren by the KHive, but I knew there would be a high-profile use of the same playbook at some point. I just didn't expect hard proof to come this soon.

If you look hard enough, you could find Kennedy supporters making toxic tweets as well. Or, in general, more establishment-leaning progressives. I've actually documented many of the latter here. To keep it short, Douglas Emhoff is friends with a KHive fan who doxed Kamala's enemies on Twitter in her name (and got kicked off DailyKos/DU for being explicitly anti-Semitic). Hillary Clinton sent a thank-you letter to an avowed anti-Semite, and Joy Reid followed someone who made explicit death threats to Bernie.

None of these political figures received any scrutiny for directly assocating with toxic figures in the establishment. If Some Dude with 100 followers makes an explicit death threat towards Kennedy, "real life isn't Twitter" gets thrown out the window and it becomes local news.

There's toxicity everywhere in every major political race - especially with the rise of social media. Instead of getting your news from one of a few options, you can tailor your feed however you like. A left-winger can set up their feed to get their "news" from Virgil Texas the same way that a KHiver can get theirs from Bravenak. Time and time again, only one side is expected to condemn their worst supporters - no matter how insignificant they are.

That's why I believe what I believe, and that's why I don't trust him to lead on progressive issues as much as Markey or even Warren.

You sound as tone deaf as the Bernie people who were vile in the presidential primary. Oh wait... you supported Bernie. So I guess this makes sense

Wow, so you're just never gonna stop producing material for the Oremine, are you?

(Sincerely, a fellow vehement Biden supporter.)

[voice_of_resistance]

https://twitter.com/JohnMcCormackMA/status/1296902692716060672
Speaker John McCormack and the OSC with a model here. Markey +1 at the moment, seems pretty reasonable, although they do say that Kennedy is picking up momentum that is too early to quantify now.

I forgot to add, I find this really impressive. To do a prediction by town must not be easy. Even if it's way off, props to them for the effort.

I personally think it's mostly accurate, but a few towns are bound to be off, especially when they are very small. As for Lenox and Stockbridge, the particular types of uber rich New Yorkers are different there, as well as those communities being smaller over all. Still though, even if this model isn't fully perfect, it's probably the closest picture the public is going to get to a remote expectation of what next week will bring.

[Morning in Atlas]

I happen to disagree. If we want to talk about more concrete hypocrisy and double standards, progressives are the only ones who have been held accountable for their supporters. We can debate about whether Pelosi's legitimately defending her friendships with the Kennedy family or not. What we can't debate is that the Joe Kennedys of the world won't hold their allies accountable for the same thing.

I actually thought that they'd pull the same line of attack with other supporters. There's always going to be a "dirtbag progressive" stereotype with any candidate that aligns with leftist ideas like MFA and the GND. There were rumblings of the Bro Playbook being used against Warren by the KHive, but I knew there would be a high-profile use of the same playbook at some point. I just didn't expect hard proof to come this soon.

If you look hard enough, you could find Kennedy supporters making toxic tweets as well. Or, in general, more establishment-leaning progressives. I've actually documented many of the latter here. To keep it short, Douglas Emhoff is friends with a KHive fan who doxed Kamala's enemies on Twitter in her name (and got kicked off DailyKos/DU for being explicitly anti-Semitic). Hillary Clinton sent a thank-you letter to an avowed anti-Semite, and Joy Reid followed someone who made explicit death threats to Bernie.

None of these political figures received any scrutiny for directly assocating with toxic figures in the establishment. If Some Dude with 100 followers makes an explicit death threat towards Kennedy, "real life isn't Twitter" gets thrown out the window and it becomes local news.

There's toxicity everywhere in every major political race - especially with the rise of social media. Instead of getting your news from one of a few options, you can tailor your feed however you like. A left-winger can set up their feed to get their "news" from Virgil Texas the same way that a KHiver can get theirs from Bravenak. Time and time again, only one side is expected to condemn their worst supporters - no matter how insignificant they are.

That's why I believe what I believe, and that's why I don't trust him to lead on progressive issues as much as Markey or even Warren.

You sound as tone deaf as the Bernie people who were vile in the presidential primary. Oh wait... you supported Bernie. So I guess this makes sense

At least I don't think people who disagree with me are terminally stupid.

[GoTfan]

The Kennedys know exactly what they're doing. "Mean tweets" is a dogwhistle for "he's too far left".

I support Markey as I've said but I'm unhappy that this bad behavior from certain extremely online people during the primary is carrying over to new campaigns. Ugh.

I happen to disagree. If we want to talk about more concrete hypocrisy and double standards, progressives are the only ones who have been held accountable for their supporters. We can debate about whether Pelosi's legitimately defending her friendships with the Kennedy family or not. What we can't debate is that the Joe Kennedys of the world won't hold their allies accountable for the same thing.

I actually thought that they'd pull the same line of attack with other supporters. There's always going to be a "dirtbag progressive" stereotype with any candidate that aligns with leftist ideas like MFA and the GND. There were rumblings of the Bro Playbook being used against Warren by the KHive, but I knew there would be a high-profile use of the same playbook at some point. I just didn't expect hard proof to come this soon.

If you look hard enough, you could find Kennedy supporters making toxic tweets as well. Or, in general, more establishment-leaning progressives. I've actually documented many of the latter here. To keep it short, Douglas Emhoff is friends with a KHive fan who doxed Kamala's enemies on Twitter in her name (and got kicked off DailyKos/DU for being explicitly anti-Semitic). Hillary Clinton sent a thank-you letter to an avowed anti-Semite, and Joy Reid followed someone who made explicit death threats to Bernie.

None of these political figures received any scrutiny for directly assocating with toxic figures in the establishment. If Some Dude with 100 followers makes an explicit death threat towards Kennedy, "real life isn't Twitter" gets thrown out the window and it becomes local news.

There's toxicity everywhere in every major political race - especially with the rise of social media. Instead of getting your news from one of a few options, you can tailor your feed however you like. A left-winger can set up their feed to get their "news" from Virgil Texas the same way that a KHiver can get theirs from Bravenak. Time and time again, only one side is expected to condemn their worst supporters - no matter how insignificant they are.

That's why I believe what I believe, and that's why I don't trust him to lead on progressive issues as much as Markey or even Warren.

You sound as tone deaf as the Bernie people who were vile in the presidential primary. Oh wait... you supported Bernie. So I guess this makes sense

Wow, so you're just never gonna stop producing material for the Oremine, are you?

(Sincerely, a fellow vehement Biden supporter.)

I'm almost impressed by MM's utter lack of self-awareness.

It's almost at Joe Kennedy III level

[brucejoel99]

The Kennedys know exactly what they're doing. "Mean tweets" is a dogwhistle for "he's too far left".

I support Markey as I've said but I'm unhappy that this bad behavior from certain extremely online people during the primary is carrying over to new campaigns. Ugh.

I happen to disagree. If we want to talk about more concrete hypocrisy and double standards, progressives are the only ones who have been held accountable for their supporters. We can debate about whether Pelosi's legitimately defending her friendships with the Kennedy family or not. What we can't debate is that the Joe Kennedys of the world won't hold their allies accountable for the same thing.

I actually thought that they'd pull the same line of attack with other supporters. There's always going to be a "dirtbag progressive" stereotype with any candidate that aligns with leftist ideas like MFA and the GND. There were rumblings of the Bro Playbook being used against Warren by the KHive, but I knew there would be a high-profile use of the same playbook at some point. I just didn't expect hard proof to come this soon.

If you look hard enough, you could find Kennedy supporters making toxic tweets as well. Or, in general, more establishment-leaning progressives. I've actually documented many of the latter here. To keep it short, Douglas Emhoff is friends with a KHive fan who doxed Kamala's enemies on Twitter in her name (and got kicked off DailyKos/DU for being explicitly anti-Semitic). Hillary Clinton sent a thank-you letter to an avowed anti-Semite, and Joy Reid followed someone who made explicit death threats to Bernie.

None of these political figures received any scrutiny for directly assocating with toxic figures in the establishment. If Some Dude with 100 followers makes an explicit death threat towards Kennedy, "real life isn't Twitter" gets thrown out the window and it becomes local news.

There's toxicity everywhere in every major political race - especially with the rise of social media. Instead of getting your news from one of a few options, you can tailor your feed however you like. A left-winger can set up their feed to get their "news" from Virgil Texas the same way that a KHiver can get theirs from Bravenak. Time and time again, only one side is expected to condemn their worst supporters - no matter how insignificant they are.

That's why I believe what I believe, and that's why I don't trust him to lead on progressive issues as much as Markey or even Warren.

You sound as tone deaf as the Bernie people who were vile in the presidential primary. Oh wait... you supported Bernie. So I guess this makes sense

Wow, so you're just never gonna stop producing material for the Oremine, are you?

(Sincerely, a fellow vehement Biden supporter.)

I'm almost impressed by MM's utter lack of self-awareness.

It's almost at Joe Kennedy III level

Wait wait wait so what I'm hearing is... MM is JKIII!?!

That'd explain so much tbh

[Roronoa D. Law]

This thread is a cesspool.

[Morning in Atlas]

This thread is a cesspool.

You accused me of fabricating stories that provided inconvenient truths about your preferred VP's support base. If anyone in this thread has no room to talk about civility, it's you.

[Roronoa D. Law]

This thread is a cesspool.

You accused me of fabricating stories that provided inconvenient truths about your preferred VP's support base. If anyone in this thread has no room to talk about civility, it's you.

Child, calm down. You're taking this thing too seriously.

[brucejoel99]

If you think we need real leaders & real fighters for the climate in Congress, then this endorsement should secure the perception that Markey is the real deal:

https://twitter.com/EdMarkey/status/1298249305514483712