Wisconsin Megathread v3: GOP in MASSIVE DISARRAY

[SnowLabrador]

This is.a ten-alarm fire for US democracy. Consider this a dry run for the 2024 election if Biden wins.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

This is.a ten-alarm fire for US democracy. Consider this a dry run for the 2024 election if Biden wins.

Lol Clarke is gonna lose 51/47 to Baldwin like John James and Craig are gonna lose in MI we already won EVERS 51/47 and Janet Protasisaweicwz won by 11 WI isn't Iowa


Rs underperforming when Ron Johnson isn't on the ballot that's why Baldwin beat Tommy Thompson in 2012 and won in 2018

You mistake being close with being an R win

[redjohn]

In a just system, Vos would be arrested for conspiracy/blackmail along with a good number of his colleagues. They are seriously holding Wisconsin back from being a more successful and business-friendly state (like Minnesota).

An impeachment attempt would backfire in terms of public opinion, but not clear that would even matter since Protascewicz won by *11* points earlier this year and still Republicans are seeing how far they can push the limits of democracy. The most recent conservative victory (in 2019), the conservative won by 0.5%. The state of politics in Wisconsin remains quite depressing. Vos has assumed that Democratic turnout can be depressed if they strip Democratic officials of enough power, and that Democratic support is concentrated enough geographically that there won't be much blowback to Republican politicians. We need the state court to redraw maps soon to stop this carnage.

[henster]

Wisconsin has a shadow docket so the court can move pretty quickly to strike down and order new maps before the GOP gets their ducks in a row for impeachment.

[Gass3268]

I doubt they would do it, but it would be hilarious if they ruled the legislature can’t impeach her.

https://twitter.com/alexandershur/status/1701355963582738741?s=46

[Born to Slay. Forced to Work.]

If I were Wisconsin Dems I’d start a ballot initiative saying a person can’t be impeached in the first so many months after being sworn in unless they’re convicted of a felony. It’s a pretty reasonable caveat.

[Duke of York]

If I were Wisconsin Dems I’d start a ballot initiative saying a person can’t be impeached in the first so many months after being sworn in unless they’re convicted of a felony. It’s a pretty reasonable caveat.

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the state constitution is already very clear about the parameters for impeachment.

[Sestak]

If I were Wisconsin Dems I’d start a ballot initiative

Yeah, uh, about that

[Skill and Chance]

If I were Wisconsin Dems I’d start a ballot initiative

Yeah, uh, about that

However, they do have recall elections by initiative.  Are there any R state senators in Evers districts?  They would literally only need to flip one to end this.

[Gass3268]

If I were Wisconsin Dems I’d start a ballot initiative

Yeah, uh, about that

However, they do have recall elections by initiative.  Are there any R state senators in Evers districts?  They would literally only need to flip one to end this.

The fear is them sitting in limbo between impeachment and removal for forever.

[Duke of York]

If I were Wisconsin Dems I’d start a ballot initiative

Yeah, uh, about that

However, they do have recall elections by initiative.  Are there any R state senators in Evers districts?  They would literally only need to flip one to end this.

The fear is them sitting in limbo between impeachment and removal for forever.

There would be a lawsuit and Justice Hagedorn would likely side with the liberal ordering a trial.

[Skill and Chance]

If I were Wisconsin Dems I’d start a ballot initiative

Yeah, uh, about that

However, they do have recall elections by initiative.  Are there any R state senators in Evers districts?  They would literally only need to flip one to end this.

The fear is them sitting in limbo between impeachment and removal for forever.

There would be a lawsuit and Justice Hagedorn would likely side with the liberal ordering a trial.

Plus, a 3/3 deadlock with her recused would leave the lower court order in place, and Dems would presumably sue in Dane County, where most of the trial judges and regional appeals court judges are so left-leaning they make Protasiewicz look like Alito and would basically order the state senate to hold the trial the next business day.

FWIW I believe if a lefty lower court judge ordered a maximally Dem map with MD-03 style spokes out of Madison and Milwaukee for a majority of the seats in each state legislative chamber, that map would go into effect on a 3/3 deadlock as well...

[Gass3268]

Radical shift in tone from Vos away from impeachment.

https://twitter.com/jessieopie/status/1701629147250925930?s=46

[Gass3268]

https://twitter.com/jrrosswrites/status/1701695828186783931?s=46

Iowa’s system is better than Wisconsin’s, but it still gives too much power to the legislature. That said this is a massive retreat for Vos.

[Duke of York]

https://twitter.com/jrrosswrites/status/1701695828186783931?s=46

Iowa’s system is better than Wisconsin’s, but it still gives too much power to the legislature. That said this is a massive retreat for Vos.

What is Iowa's system?

[Gass3268]

Democrats aren't buying it.

https://twitter.com/SenKeldaRoys/status/1701699887564505335?s=20

[Gass3268]

https://twitter.com/jrrosswrites/status/1701695828186783931?s=46

Iowa’s system is better than Wisconsin’s, but it still gives too much power to the legislature. That said this is a massive retreat for Vos.

What is Iowa's system?

The nonpartisan Legislative Services Agency draws maps. The legislature then gets the chance to review them and approve them. If they reject the maps the agency gets another crack at it. If this happens 3 times the legislature then gets to draw the maps. There are no protections of communities of interest or partisan fairness.

[Gass3268]

Also yeah, Vos totally didn't have the vote for impeachment.

[Gass3268]

https://twitter.com/govevers/status/1701709171962396901?s=46

Evers will veto

[Duke of York]

https://twitter.com/govevers/status/1701709171962396901?s=46

Evers will veto

and Republicans will likely override his veto or do they not have the two thirds vote in the Assembly?

[Gass3268]

https://twitter.com/govevers/status/1701709171962396901?s=46

Evers will veto

and Republicans will likely override his veto or do they not have the two thirds vote in the Assembly?

They do not.

[Gass3268]

Lol

https://twitter.com/athenas_son_v/status/1701719205966463247?s=46

[Gass3268]

https://twitter.com/alexandershur/status/1701738243425738960?s=46

[Virginiá]

Fact is, Wisconsin Republicans are not willing, nor probably even able, to put forward an actual redistricting reform amendment that doesn't have semi truck-sized loopholes to drive through. And there isn't much incentive for them to do so, either. Wisconsin is too competitive and they are far too power-hungry to agree to such a thing.

[Duke of York]

Fact is, Wisconsin Republicans are not willing, nor probably even able, to put forward an actual redistricting reform amendment that doesn't have semi truck-sized loopholes to drive through. And there isn't much incentive for them to do so, either. Wisconsin is too competitive and they are far too power-hungry to agree to such a thing.

Evers will veto it.