Wisconsin Megathread v3: GOP in MASSIVE DISARRAY

[Tekken_Guy]

If the GOP moves towards impeachment Dems should definitely move quickly to recall Republicans legislators. With a focus on Dan Knodl who barely won his seat in a special earlier this year. If Knodl if recalled Rs lose their supermajority in the Senate and ability to convict and remove any official.

Also, Rob Hutton.

[politicallefty]

Yes and in Wisconsin this potentially would have seen us restoring the death penalty in 2006, something we abolished in 1853. Seeing as it passed in an advisory referendum.

That was put on the ballot by the Legislature though. It doesn't have anything to do with the initiative process. What's worse is that Republicans have entrenched themselves into powerful majorities and they're attacking the only possible remedy within the confines of the Wisconsin Constitution. (I intentionally used that phrasing as there is a possible federal remedy through the Guarantee Clause, but that seems very unlikely.)

[windjammer]

The NYtime's article said that the gop has decided to remove her from office.


I suppose it's overdramatic right?

[wbrocks67]

Does the WIGOP just want to keep losing? I can't imagine a scenario where they won't pay electorally for this if they go thru with it.

[Born to Slay. Forced to Work.]

Does the WIGOP just want to keep losing? I can't imagine a scenario where they won't pay electorally for this if they go thru with it.

Who needs to hold statewide office when you can stretch your 45% of the vote to control 70% of the legislature?

Republican, by philosophy, policy, and practicality, are anti-majoritarian.

[Gass3268]

The NYtime's article said that the gop has decided to remove her from office.


I suppose it's overdramatic right?

Where have you seen this?

[Brittain33]

The NYtime's article said that the gop has decided to remove her from office.


I suppose it's overdramatic right?

Where have you seen this?

There was a sentence about Democrats conceding impeachment was a foregone conclusion.

[CityofSinners]

Dems do have an incentive to play up the odds of impeachment. Good for fundraising and party building.
If there was an realistic chance of preventing new legislative maps, I'm sure republicans would take it. Even if they had to pay an electoral price for that.

I'm much less certain that the GOP will impeach under the current circumstances. There is only a small chance that impeaching will actually stop new maps.
Just talking about it doesn't cost the GOP that much and helps with party unity.

[Ferguson97]

Does the WIGOP just want to keep losing? I can't imagine a scenario where they won't pay electorally for this if they go thru with it.

Wisconsin's state legislature is fundamentally undemocratic.

[Duke of York]

The NYtime's article said that the gop has decided to remove her from office.


I suppose it's overdramatic right?

Where have you seen this?

There was a sentence about Democrats conceding impeachment was a foregone conclusion.

There isn't a guarantee the Senate will vote to convict and the Majority leader has said they don't have the authority to indefinitely refuse to hold a trial. He even said impeachments should not be used to overturn an election.

[walleye26]

Honestly I wouldn’t put it past the Senate to power grab. LeMaheiu said he won’t move forward with impeaching, but that wouldn’t stop Vos from doing anything, and if they really thought it would benefit them, they would do it. The maps are so rigged that they won’t really pay a price.

It’s a bit of an interesting time.

https://apnews.com/article/wisconsin-supreme-court-justice-impeachment-9b28383d30371c8c109b644f9b9a8d72

[Duke of York]

Honestly I wouldn’t put it past the Senate to power grab. LeMaheiu said he won’t move forward with impeaching, but that wouldn’t stop Vos from doing anything, and if they really thought it would benefit them, they would do it. The maps are so rigged that they won’t really pay a price.

It’s a bit of an interesting time.

https://apnews.com/article/wisconsin-supreme-court-justice-impeachment-9b28383d30371c8c109b644f9b9a8d72

Except it won't benefit them. If they try to stonewall there will be a lawsuit and they will be ordered to hold a trial. If they convict her Evers picks a replacement. its a no win situation for them and they anger many people in the process.

[Tekken_Guy]

Honestly I wouldn’t put it past the Senate to power grab. LeMaheiu said he won’t move forward with impeaching, but that wouldn’t stop Vos from doing anything, and if they really thought it would benefit them, they would do it. The maps are so rigged that they won’t really pay a price.

It’s a bit of an interesting time.

https://apnews.com/article/wisconsin-supreme-court-justice-impeachment-9b28383d30371c8c109b644f9b9a8d72

Except it won't benefit them. If they try to stonewall there will be a lawsuit and they will be ordered to hold a trial. If they convict her Evers picks a replacement. its a no win situation for them and they anger many people in the process.

From what I read if there’s a vacancy before December 1 there’s a special in April.

[Born to Slay. Forced to Work.]

Honestly I wouldn’t put it past the Senate to power grab. LeMaheiu said he won’t move forward with impeaching, but that wouldn’t stop Vos from doing anything, and if they really thought it would benefit them, they would do it. The maps are so rigged that they won’t really pay a price.

It’s a bit of an interesting time.

https://apnews.com/article/wisconsin-supreme-court-justice-impeachment-9b28383d30371c8c109b644f9b9a8d72

Except it won't benefit them. If they try to stonewall there will be a lawsuit and they will be ordered to hold a trial. If they convict her Evers picks a replacement. its a no win situation for them and they anger many people in the process.

If Protasiewicz is impeached she is supposed to be suspended from the bench, but not removed. If republicans can drag out the trial long enough they could theoretically keep their maps for 2024.

[Duke of York]

Honestly I wouldn’t put it past the Senate to power grab. LeMaheiu said he won’t move forward with impeaching, but that wouldn’t stop Vos from doing anything, and if they really thought it would benefit them, they would do it. The maps are so rigged that they won’t really pay a price.

It’s a bit of an interesting time.

https://apnews.com/article/wisconsin-supreme-court-justice-impeachment-9b28383d30371c8c109b644f9b9a8d72

Except it won't benefit them. If they try to stonewall there will be a lawsuit and they will be ordered to hold a trial. If they convict her Evers picks a replacement. its a no win situation for them and they anger many people in the process.

If Protasiewicz is impeached she is supposed to be suspended from the bench, but not removed. If republicans can drag out the trial long enough they could theoretically keep their maps for 2024.

A lawsuit will be filed and Hagedorn will likely side with the two liberal justices ordering a speedy trial.

[redjohn]

Wisconsin Republicans deserve to be completely shut down for the antics they've engaged in over the past several years. They've cultivated a completely toxic political environment in the state, where even when liberals do win elections they are intimidated against using their people-given mandate to make decisions. Hands down one of the most frustrating state Republican parties in the country.

Wisconsinites deserve a speedy redistricting process, with more neutral maps, and Democratic majorities in both chambers that allow the elected Democratic administration to govern as the people have repeatedly voted for. Who knows what we'll get, but that much is deserved.

[Gass3268]

First Assembly Republicans have come out saying they will not impeach:

https://twitter.com/jessieopie/status/1700248207312523751?s=20

Guy is in the closest thing to a swing district (NE Rock County/Southern Jefferson County), having only won by 247 votes in 2022.

[Duke of York]

First Assembly Republicans have come out saying they will not impeach:

https://twitter.com/jessieopie/status/1700248207312523751?s=20

Guy is in the closest thing to a swing district (NE Rock County/Southern Jefferson County), having only won by 247 votes in 2022.

Well at least one member of the caucus is rational.

I think this is only the first of many. Vox might hold the vote anyway only to be embarrassed when its voted down. 

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

WI is already a lost cause, they didn't recruit Gallagher Baldwin is likely to win over Clarke giving the Eday to Biden and Rs have to win WI in order to win the EC college

[henster]

They only need a simple majority in the House to impeach it's Senate defections that are key where 2/3rd are needed for removal. I think there will be a lot of unity in the Senate with the marginal seat being much to right than the average House seat.

[Duke of York]

They only need a simple majority in the House to impeach it's Senate defections that are key where 2/3rd are needed for removal. I think there will be a lot of unity in the Senate with the marginal seat being much to right than the average House seat.

I could see the vote failing though. Anyone that voted yes will have this used against them next year.
If only one senator votes no conviction fails. If they stonewall the trial Hagedorn will side with the liberals and order a trial be held.

[Mr. Illini]

Robin Vos and the semi-fascist WIGOP are pulling out all the stops after being defeated resoundingly and repeatedly. How pathetic.

[Ferguson97]

Honestly any Republican legislator who votes to impeach her should be charged with treason

[Duke of York]

Honestly any Republican legislator who votes to impeach her should be charged with treason

Thats not the definition of treason. In Article III, Section 3 of the United States Constitution, treason is specifically limited to levying war against the U.S., or adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfor

[politicallefty]

Honestly any Republican legislator who votes to impeach her should be charged with treason

Thats not the definition of treason. In Article III, Section 3 of the United States Constitution, treason is specifically limited to levying war against the U.S., or adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfor

It should be grounds for Congress to invoke the Guarantee Clause under Article IV though.