The Atlas Asylum of absurd/ignorant posts IX

[Since I'm the mad scientist proclaimed by myself]

What does it say about a Forum that has no sympathy for my unborn grandchild that died in an abortion, or for myself and my wife, but who has all the sympathy in the world for convicted murderers and THEIR families?  There's kind of a disconnect here, is their not?

It says that you fundamentally don't understand how we view abortion.

Why would there be a 'disconnect' if we don't believe that a fetus is morally equivalent to a human being?

Then at what point does it become a human being,  and why that point?

It becomes a human being when it is born. Nobody can dispute that.

Someone who believes a single celled zygote is a person probably shouldn't be posting any take they disagree with here.

[Since I'm the mad scientist proclaimed by myself]

What does it say about a Forum that has no sympathy for my unborn grandchild that died in an abortion, or for myself and my wife, but who has all the sympathy in the world for convicted murderers and THEIR families?  There's kind of a disconnect here, is their not?

It says that you fundamentally don't understand how we view abortion.

Why would there be a 'disconnect' if we don't believe that a fetus is morally equivalent to a human being?

Then at what point does it become a human being,  and why that point?

It becomes a human being when it is born. Nobody can dispute that.

Someone who believes a single celled zygote is a person probably shouldn't be posting any take they disagree with here.

Someone who doesn't understand basic biology and human fetal development shouldn't be replying.

If you think you shouldn't be replying, then you can simply not reply.

[Since I'm the mad scientist proclaimed by myself]

What does it say about a Forum that has no sympathy for my unborn grandchild that died in an abortion, or for myself and my wife, but who has all the sympathy in the world for convicted murderers and THEIR families?  There's kind of a disconnect here, is their not?

It says that you fundamentally don't understand how we view abortion.

Why would there be a 'disconnect' if we don't believe that a fetus is morally equivalent to a human being?

Then at what point does it become a human being,  and why that point?

It becomes a human being when it is born. Nobody can dispute that.

Someone who believes a single celled zygote is a person probably shouldn't be posting any take they disagree with here.

Someone who doesn't understand basic biology and human fetal development shouldn't be replying.

If you think you shouldn't be replying, then you can simply not reply.

Unlike you, I'm not a science denier.

I'm not interested in doing to much arguing about why your idea that zygotes and early-in-development fetuses are morally equivalent to people despite not being sentient at all because of their DNA(seemingly based on mixing up "human" as in a living thing belonging to the homo genus and "human" as in a person with thoughts and feelings and deserving of rights) is stupid.

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Good grief the conservative brain dead hate boners for California I described are so alive and well in this thread. Particularly ironic that the two primary Crashers of California's liberal governance West Coast Intelligentsia immigrant friendly policies leading to economic success are respectively from mississippi, the closest thing America has to a third world, and someone from Portland whom if they took their nose out of their computer and went outside could readily see the success of such policies.

Not every post you disagree with is bad.

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I'm gonna wait for the video, but as always, this guy would be alive had he, ya know, not done the things he did the few minutes before he died.  Like last time, I don't know if the cop should have shot him, but I do know it was really stupid to give the cop a good excuse to do it.


Now bring on your best low effort "lolbirtarian" jokes!

Context of the incident in question required.

[Since I'm the mad scientist proclaimed by myself]

Also holding up Bill “kids are faking being trans to be cool” Maher as a gold standard to be bringing into this area of discussion is quite silly

It's such a dumb premise. Tens of millions people want to see every LGBT person in this country dead, and these jackasses think that coming out gives them social clout? It's delusional.

It may be hyperbolic, but at least tens of millions of people hate LGBTQ people(especially the TQ) in this country, and a lot more are apathetic at best.

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Also holding up Bill “kids are faking being trans to be cool” Maher as a gold standard to be bringing into this area of discussion is quite silly

It's such a dumb premise. Tens of millions people want to see every LGBT person in this country dead, and these jackasses think that coming out gives them social clout? It's delusional.

It may be hyperbolic, but at least tens of millions of people hate LGBTQ people(especially the TQ) in this country, and a lot more are apathetic at best.

Isn’t queer just another word for gay?

No, its a general word for the entire LGBTQ+ community(one that I usually opt for over LGBTQ+) and includes a lot of identities outside of LGB and T. Asexual and Aromantic people for example. It used to be a slur so IDK how many queer people are okay with nonqueer people using the term.

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I loathe Brittany Griner.  She's an anti-American lowlife, and I don't particularly care that she has it rough. 

Nonetheless, I believe that our government should make every effort to bring her back.  She IS an American citizen, that should count for something, and the sentence she is receiving is cruel and inhumane.  She should be aided by our government in reversing this legal injustice and bringing her home.

Perfect justice, however, would require her to have to walk to freedom through a long line of American Vietnam Veterans silently affirming that our government brought her home.  She should be reminded how many Leftist Lowlifes cursed these men when they came home for a war they neither started nor chose to fight, but served anyway because they loved their Country and would not turn their backs on their Country when their Country called them.  She needs to see their decency and virtue and feel at depth her indecency and utter lack of virtue.  And she needs to realize that their "Welcome Home!" to Brittanny Griner is GRACE and not an ENTITLEMENT.

In a world aimed at REAL reconciliation that would happen.

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Yeah, letting someone die a quick death through assisted suicide instead of a slow, agonizing death through a terminal disease is not immoral to any sane person.

Nah it actually is immoral to a lot of people. People see it as suicide, and a lot of people don't like that even if you gotta go through pain. 30% of Americans in fact (100 million people) and definitely much more throughout the rest of the world since America is very liberal on these issues.

Me personally, I get my morality from my religion, which prohibits suicide no matter what, so for me this isn't really a moral dillemma. Yeah it's better to struggle through a crippling disease and die naturally than a quick painless death. We belong to God and to him we will return.

This whole euthanasia thing, just being brutally honest with what I think it is I'll just say I think that's a pitiful move, showing you're scared of pain and can't handle it. This is just the hedonists chasing instant pleasure and gratification no matter where they are and literally choosing to die instead of facing pain. Pathetic!

If I get a terminal disease that can't be cured Imma go through it and face it like a man instead of killing myself. My grandma was able to do that and she did for 30 years and she still was able to find joy in her life. I look up to that

But I got less respect if you kill yourself willingly. That's real cowardly in my opinion (and of course a lot of people will disagree, some people are a product of their environment where they've been raised to think this stuff is acceptable)

I hate whats happening in Canada because its f**ked up disabled people are being pushed into euthanasia when its not warranted because killing them is less expensive than caring for them, not some sick desire to force people to die in horrible pain.

This is just a side effect of being in a society that legalizes euthanasia.
It allows for this kind of more clearly depraved stuff to pass much easier.

Slippery slope, but not a fallacy. Just slippery slope.

When a society stops valuing life you gotta be prepared for the consequences bro

[Since I'm the mad scientist proclaimed by myself]

Promoting traditional gender roles and increasing bigotry against LGB people?

Sounds like a very progressive cause!

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The thing is, bullying isn't done "just for the sake of it." It can be a valuable way to expunge antisocial behavior without resorting to parental/state intervention.

I submit this as Exhibit A for the defense:

It doesn’t count as bullying if they deserve it.

Fergusons bad post doesn't make your post any less garbage.

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Endorsed unironically.

In a thread titled 'Canadian Doctor argues in favor of infanticide being legal '.

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These type of people never should have their voting rights restored but given they were issued voting cards , I don’t see how they can be arrested for this given it would then have been a mistake by whoever issued them one .

? Why not? They already served their time? If they can’t vote they shouldn’t have to pay taxes.

Anyone has any legal disability shouldn't have to pay taxes.

They should have to pay more in taxes. Mostly sales, but income tax too. So that companies aren't financially burdened with complying with the ADA.

🤮🤮🤮 This is evil.

[Since I'm the mad scientist proclaimed by myself]

"Bomb, bomb, bomb Iran..."

The older I get, the more neocon I get.

I don't think this is a coincidence.

After all, there's only so long you can watch the same cycle of an evil regime harshly oppressing its people, the people try in vain to rise up, only to be brutally crushed so things just get even worse, before you start to wonder if maybe we should intervene and indeed might even have a duty to intervene as the most powerful country in the world. I know if the US ever went full Handmaid's Tale, I'd want Canada and the UK to bomb, bomb, bomb the US!

And do what, kill those women?

[takes swig of Miller Lite and burps] yeah, they're soiled by slave morality taught by their pedophile con artist prophet, don't like it when i put the moves on them, and probably think al franken is guilty

This is part of an aggravating, baseless, insulting, and unintelligible knack of Disco's - when somebody (usually, as is the case here, Alben, but sometimes it's somebody else), writes a post Disco doesn't like or disagrees with or whatever, they blame it on "toxic masculinity" - baselessly and insultingly - and accuse the poster in question, more or less, of being a massive chauvinist and sexist. It's disgusting, it's old, it's predictable, it's offensive (and oftentimes, it's Disco who's being sexist - such as describing TikTok as just something "teenage girls" like, as if plenty of males don't use it as well).

Pretty sure she's s**tposting rather than actually believing what she says. Also Disco's a she.

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Well I will say it was highly misleading for Ferguson to make his little, uh, edit to NC Conservative's post.

DabbingSanta was the one who made the edit. Ferguson posted it unedited.

Oh God. Well, DS really is a completely loser, hateful POS who, in an ordinary world, would be permabanned. And it's not as if NC Conservative isn't a bigot, either (I recall his infamous exchange with you - that's why I had something of a 'confirmation bias' and why it was very easy for me to believe he'd say something like he supports "banning" transgenders).

I generally hold my fire toward our younger posters, but you really need to stop setting yourself up as some kind of moral arbiter.  It really is getting tiresome.

CR doing that isn't half as obnoxious as you bringing up BLM all the time(among other things).

[Since I'm the mad scientist proclaimed by myself]

There will be homeless people as long as there are lazy, dangerous f**k’s out there. There’s nothing we can do about that, unless you want to take the Soviet approach, which was to arrest/execute said lazy, dangerous f**k’s.

[Since I'm the mad scientist proclaimed by myself]

Wait, so putting biological males likely attracted to cis females with a high rate of mental illness is a way to reduce sexual assaults?

Disgusting ableism and transphobia.

[Since I'm the mad scientist proclaimed by myself]

Wait, so putting biological males likely attracted to cis females with a high rate of mental illness is a way to reduce sexual assaults?

Disgusting ableism and transphobia.

How so? Trans people pre-op are much more likely to suffer from mental illnesses, which is quite understandable IMO

Being trans doesn't, however, make one any less statistically likely to commit sex crimes.

Insinuating that A: being trans, and B: having mental health issues both make one likely rapists is f**ked up. Don't be dense.

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It’s easier to rape someone when you have a penis

This post is so moronic that I'm submitting it here.

The logical conclusion of your argument is that cis women are just as likely to have the inclination/desire to rape someone, they just lack the capability to do so because they don't have penises. That's moronic for several reasons.

Or cis men are more likely to have the inclination/desire, and having a penis just makes it even easier for them to act on that desire

I feel sorry for your girlfriend if you honestly think that a penis is the easiest way to do sexual contact.

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Dude, you posted an article meant to demonize trans women as sex pests. Don't push this "I'm respectful" crap.

If the mods (one of whom later admitted he fully agreed with everything I said) had allowed me to post my commentary along with that article and let it stand, you would see that is not at all what I was doing. If that's what you got from literally just a link to the article itself though, I don't know what to tell you. It's not what I for one got from it, intended to mean by posting it, or what I believe.

Girldick is real.

I didn't bother reading any of Alben's essay, but as a bepeniled woman, this is objectively true. A trans woman's penis may still be a penis, but estrogen really does a number on the thing, and to claim otherwise is an affront to the Biological Reality™ he claims to uphold.

"I didn't read it, lol I'm proudly ignorant of what I'm talking about and who I'm making slanderous claims of genocidal bigotry against, but lol he must be wrong."

No one said estrogen doesn't do "a number on the thing," but the fact of the matter is a penis is not a female part biologically, no matter what's been done to it. Otherwise why would it even cause you "dysphoria" and why would the endgoal for most trans women seem to be to rid themselves of it?

I'd rather be too accepting of trans people than not at all accepting of them.

Alben [is] not some raging transphobe who wants all trans people to die.

Are you out of your mind? Even if you believe him when he says these things, he's way too obsessed with the issue. No wonder he views Good Old J.K. as a maternal figure; he inherited her obsession with the trannies.

If I was in the UK, I could sue you for libel for the outlandish claim that I "want all trans people to die." Rowling has shown remarkable restraint for not doing the same, frankly.

I'd rather be too accepting of trans people than not at all accepting of them.

Alben [is] not some raging transphobe who wants all trans people to die.

Are you out of your mind? Even if you believe him when he says these things, he's way too obsessed with the issue. No wonder he views Good Old J.K. as a maternal figure; he inherited her obsession with the trannies.

This 1000%. This really gets to my annoyance with Alben (and JK). It’d be one thing if they like 1 time said something anti trans and got hounded for it but both of them can’t shut the f**k up about it. JK tweets about trans stuff 24/7 and practically every train wreck thread that dealt with trans issues Alben was either the OP and said something awful or 1 of the first posters to stir sh*t on it

Sounds like you just want people who disagree with you to keep their mouths shut.

Very authoritarian, and frankly only compels those of us who hate such authoritarian attitudes to speak out more.

What's wrong with Ferguson, especially on trans issues?

Obviously far too accepting of trans people and willing to defend them.

Pretty much this. He's so accepting and willing to defend trans people that I almost feel as if he's a psyop designed to make transphobes look reasonable.

You're so close to getting it... It almost feels like you KNOW I am the more reasonable debater making more reasonable points, yet feel compelled to falsely deride me as a "transphobe" anyway because you see this more as a team sports thing where I simply must be on the wrong "side" than a matter of logic and principle.

"In Your Heart, You Know He's Right" maybe?

Lol

[Since I'm the mad scientist proclaimed by myself]

Puberty blockers have been used on trans youth since the 1990s and the drugs existed for non-trans reasons before then.

Correct. Leuprorelin for example is used to permanently sterilize convicted sex offenders in some States. Fascinating, considering we are told its totally reversible whenever persons raise the issue about side effects in children.

Placed here for being a complete lie.

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This bill will go nowhere, who cares?

Did you actually read the article. This one is getting a hearing at least. The bill is about allowing “instruction in acquired immune deficiency syndrome, sexually transmitted diseases, or health education” only in grades six through 12.

The man who wrote it said that would include period discussion. A fix to the bill might be proposed, but you'd be surprised by how weird old conservative men often are about menstruation.

Does it actually ban girls about talking about menstruation, or does it ban classroom teaching on it? Because one of those is much worse than the other.

Why are either of these acceptable? Menstruation is a normal bodily function. Do you really want to ban a teacher from explaining this stuff to kids, especially since sometimes kids will be experiencing for the first time in the classroom?

Menstruation is a bodily function inherently related to reproduction, and therefore can only be understood with the broader concept of sex. I also oppose teachers explaining ejaculation to an elementary school class, and I don’t think it’s that big of deal if teachers can’t do these things.

thereckoning is very intelligent. The funny thing is that you can kind of tell he's moving the goalposts to avoid admitting to saying something misinformed.

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I wasn't sad about Anita Bryant getting a pie in the face; and I'm not gonna cry over Riley Gaines getting some expected pushback from going to one of the most trans-inclusive and tolerant places in the country to push her message.

Please, as if this wasn't the point.

This doesn't belong in the thread lol.

[Since I'm the mad scientist proclaimed by myself]

There is no scenario in which purely elective treatments that a patient will still very easily live without obtaining could be considered life saving care. Not being able to get, or delaying when someone is able to get puberty blockers/hormones/top or bottom surgeries isn't going to kill anyone. If someone were to commit suicide for those reasons, it's not the lack of medical care that killed them.

So you wouldn't call anti-depressants life-saving medication?

No, and by definition, they aren't.

Now for something that actually belongs here rather than just stuff that offends a snowflakes sensibilities.

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What’s next? Are they going to rename the airport in the Las Vegas metropolitan area again just because Harry Reid made a comment about Obama’s accent or they dug up some questionable quotes or tweets of his?

Hilarious to act like renaming a base named after a confederate general who probably owned slaves is equivalent to renaming a base named after a guy who made a comment about a black guy's accent once.