Outrage in Iran after woman dies in police custody after arrest over "improper" hijab

[If my soul was made of stone]

"Bomb, bomb, bomb Iran..."

The older I get, the more neocon I get.

I don't think this is a coincidence.

After all, there's only so long you can watch the same cycle of an evil regime harshly oppressing its people, the people try in vain to rise up, only to be brutally crushed so things just get even worse, before you start to wonder if maybe we should intervene and indeed might even have a duty to intervene as the most powerful country in the world. I know if the US ever went full Handmaid's Tale, I'd want Canada and the UK to bomb, bomb, bomb the US!

And do what, kill those women?

[takes swig of Miller Lite and burps] yeah, they're soiled by slave morality taught by their pedophile con artist prophet, don't like it when i put the moves on them, and probably think al franken is guilty

[TiltsAreUnderrated]

"Bomb, bomb, bomb Iran..."

The older I get, the more neocon I get.

I don't think this is a coincidence.

After all, there's only so long you can watch the same cycle of an evil regime harshly oppressing its people, the people try in vain to rise up, only to be brutally crushed so things just get even worse, before you start to wonder if maybe we should intervene and indeed might even have a duty to intervene as the most powerful country in the world. I know if the US ever went full Handmaid's Tale, I'd want Canada and the UK to bomb, bomb, bomb the US!

But you probably wouldn’t want Iran to do it. The same is true (but probably to an even greater extent) in Iran: the US has negative political capital there, to put it mildly. This is why Khomenei is pretending it’s all a CIA plot.

The greater the perception of intervention, the less legitimacy the protesters will enjoy. This also goes for any government they form, should they manage to do so.

[PSOL]

Iranians don’t need or want US intervention, they can conduct a revolution for freedom all by themselves.

Jesus Christ these takes are f•••ing bad lol

[Diabolical Materialism]

"Bomb, bomb, bomb Iran..."

The older I get, the more neocon I get.

I don't think this is a coincidence.

After all, there's only so long you can watch the same cycle of an evil regime harshly oppressing its people, the people try in vain to rise up, only to be brutally crushed so things just get even worse, before you start to wonder if maybe we should intervene and indeed might even have a duty to intervene as the most powerful country in the world. I know if the US ever went full Handmaid's Tale, I'd want Canada and the UK to bomb, bomb, bomb the US!

And do what, kill those women?

[takes swig of Miller Lite and burps] yeah, they're soiled by slave morality taught by their pedophile con artist prophet, don't like it when i put the moves on them, and probably think al franken is guilty

Wow that's a spot on HillGoose

[Darthpi – Anti-Florida Activist]

"Bomb, bomb, bomb Iran..."

The older I get, the more neocon I get.

I don't think this is a coincidence.

After all, there's only so long you can watch the same cycle of an evil regime harshly oppressing its people, the people try in vain to rise up, only to be brutally crushed so things just get even worse, before you start to wonder if maybe we should intervene and indeed might even have a duty to intervene as the most powerful country in the world. I know if the US ever went full Handmaid's Tale, I'd want Canada and the UK to bomb, bomb, bomb the US!

American military interventionism would do more to reinforce the position of the religious extremists than probably anything else. Particularly the sort of limited "lob some bombs at them and then ignore them because we don't want it getting expensive" sort of intervention that the median American voter seems to think is a reasonable approach to war.

[Silent Hunter]

The US doesn't have the capacity to invade and occupy Iran even if it had the inclination.

[PSOL]

Iran’s economy cannot be classified as a command economy because there is less command of the economy by the state/monarch/SL then during the monarchy. Outside of temporary acquisitions done of the pro-Shah nobility, the current Iranian regime has enacted pro-capitalist policies. They undid land reform by the Shah and worked to dismantle the control of the then-Shuras/workers councils from socialists and populists and then dismantle them entirely. They replaced the union heads of most councils with lackeys who proceeded to make them into yellow unions. Iran’s economy is directly administered by a decentralized network of the Supreme Leaders private Army, the IRCG, and religious investing firms led by the clerics called bonyads.

The Islamic republic definitely conserved capitalism in Iran and it’s assortment of tools; religious discrimination, racism and ethnic chauvinism, anti-feminism, and making work environments in Iran very hostile to most people. The notion that it is leftist is laughable. The notion that there were “leftist” figures in the Islamic camp is also laughable, as they were if anarcho-Bidenism was real.

Most protesters, outside of Shahis angry about their stolen property, are fighting against the Islamic green fascist.

[MATTROSE94]

It looks like support for the Iranian government might be less than 50% now based on anecdotal evidence on Twitter and Instagram. What do you think is the likely scenario if the Iranian government collapses?

I envision a civil war lasting into 2030 with Reza Pahlavi, Masih Alinejad, and Amir-Abbas Fakhravar on one side and the remnants of the IRGC, Hamas, Hezbollah, the Iraqi Shi’a militias, and the Houthis on the other side. It also seems increasingly unlikely that China will intervene on Irans behalf and will instead start to cultivate a strong relationship with Saudi Arabia now that the US is on Saudi Arabia’s s***list over the oil production cut last month.

[Kahane's Grave Is A Gender-Neutral Bathroom]

It looks like support for the Iranian government might be less than 50% now based on anecdotal evidence on Twitter and Instagram. What do you think is the likely scenario if the Iranian government collapses?

I envision a civil war lasting into 2030 with Reza Pahlavi, Masih Alinejad, and Amir-Abbas Fakhravar on one side and the remnants of the IRGC, Hamas, Hezbollah, the Iraqi Shi’a militias, and the Houthis on the other side. It also seems increasingly unlikely that China will intervene on Irans behalf and will instead start to cultivate a strong relationship with Saudi Arabia now that the US is on Saudi Arabia’s s***list over the oil production cut last month.

The first paragraph is normal and the second one is... something.

[PSOL]

I need to specify that mattrose is a troll and is highly unlikely to be Iranian himself.

[TiltsAreUnderrated]

In the real world, leaving local people to their own devices without the back-up threat of sending in the Marines doesn't work too well. Particularly if they are facing a regime fully willing to use their opponent's inherent inhibitions from decency and compassion to neutralise or destroy them.

Sending in American Marines usually also doesn't work (and would be especially unlikely to in this case). Life in Iran is better than Afghanistan. In Iraq I guess it's debatable, but there's still no contest if you take the last 10 years of both countries into account.

Particularly if they are facing a regime fully willing to use their opponent's inherent inhibitions from decency and compassion to neutralise or destroy them.

Compassion is not inherent and neither are doomed to be inhibitions.

[PSOL]

In the real world, leaving local people to their own devices without the back-up threat of sending in the Marines doesn't work too well. Particularly if they are facing a regime fully willing to use their opponent's inherent inhibitions from decency and compassion to neutralise or destroy them.

It worked out pretty well in 1917 and 1949, it may work out well now. The protests also haven’t fully matured yet, they need to blossom and sending marines would abort that.

[Yeahsayyeah]

"Bomb, bomb, bomb Iran..."

The older I get, the more neocon I get.

I don't think this is a coincidence.

After all, there's only so long you can watch the same cycle of an evil regime harshly oppressing its people, the people try in vain to rise up, only to be brutally crushed so things just get even worse, before you start to wonder if maybe we should intervene and indeed might even have a duty to intervene as the most powerful country in the world. I know if the US ever went full Handmaid's Tale, I'd want Canada and the UK to bomb, bomb, bomb the US!

Having some US bombs falling on them will surely help the Iranian people...

[Silent Hunter]

Fascists are a lot more willing to torture and kill than progressives are.

Iraqis and Afghanis have been betrayed by their own ruling class.

I suppose that doesn't assume Leninists are progressives.

[CumbrianLefty]

In the real world, leaving local people to their own devices without the back-up threat of sending in the Marines doesn't work too well

I mean, really?

[Silent Hunter]

At the end of the day, intervention or no intervention, a lot of people end up dying in situations like this.

[PSOL]

Anyway, the majority of the population isn’t just anti-IR, but vehemently opposed to the current theocracy and wants sweeping reforms. This has been the clandestine work of years of organizing, especially in the student and worker movement which has really picked up the pace since the 2000s.

On the ground, predominantly in Iranian Kurdistan where the protests began, we’ve seen great organization that could replace the current regime.

[PSOL]

Hoxha did the right thing by breaking the back of Islam in Albania.

Hopefully the CPI does the same

Anyway, on the international front, the Shahis have cast the first stone. In California they are calling for the death of the left and saying that without a king, there is no order. Unsurprising, as in no way does the royal family have a stomach for a free Iran with a democratic structure. The way they’ve blackballed NIAC—the bastion of liberalism it is— and moved to support US intervention in Iran is something. Now, Shahis and MEK have done the same derailment in Iran, but not by as much.

[Middle-aged Europe]

Huge Iran rally in Berlin today... mostly consisting of Iranian expats (who seemd to have arrived from all over the country) and German sympathizers.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

I've always been curious about how Palestinian Christians (and their Christian supporters in other countries) justify so blatantly disregarding the clear text of Scripture that God gave the Land of Israel to the Jews.
The Holy Quran also acknowledges this: "Moses said to his people, "O my people, remember the favor of God upon you when He appointed among you prophets and made you possessors and gave you that which He had not given anyone among the worlds. O my people, enter the Holy Land which God has assigned to you and do not turn back and become losers." — Holy Quran, Surah Al-Ma'idah 5:20-21.

The same reason why Christians don't follow kosher laws. All of that sort of stuff was explicitly overturned in the New Testament.

[Alben Barkley]

For those of you who (rightfully) want to cut ties with Saudi Arabia, the best way to do it might well be a democratic, US/Western-aligned Iran to take its place.

Just saying.

And if we have to give Iran a little nudge to make that happen... Well, I'm all for it. Better for the people and the world.

[Alben Barkley]

At the end of the day, intervention or no intervention, a lot of people end up dying in situations like this.

A lot of people were and are dying unjustly under the current regime. It's a deeply unfortunate reality, but a lot of people had to die to end the tyranny of Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan as well. The question is which would be better: A lot of people dying for nothing because their rebellion is brutally crushed? Or a lot of people dying for the ultimate liberation of their people because they get support from the free world?

[nicholas.slaydon]

I've always been curious about how Palestinian Christians (and their Christian supporters in other countries) justify so blatantly disregarding the clear text of Scripture that God gave the Land of Israel to the Jews.
The Holy Quran also acknowledges this: "Moses said to his people, "O my people, remember the favor of God upon you when He appointed among you prophets and made you possessors and gave you that which He had not given anyone among the worlds. O my people, enter the Holy Land which God has assigned to you and do not turn back and become losers." — Holy Quran, Surah Al-Ma'idah 5:20-21.

Sorry to get off topic of the thread, but yes, God promised the land of Israel to Abraham and to his descendants (Genesis 15:13-18). God fulfilled that promise when the Israelites entered into the Promised Land and dwelt therein, just as it says in Joshua 21:43-45 “So the Lord gave to Israel all the land of which He had sworn to give to their fathers, and they took possession of it and dwelt in it....Not a word failed of any good thing which the Lord had spoken to the house of Israel. All came to pass". Therefore, the promise that God made to Abraham was fulfilled thousands of years ago. Likewise, the Prophets make it plain that the covenant that God made with Israel was conditioned on Israel's continued belief in and obedience to God (Jeremiah 3, Hosea 2, Hosea 1:10-11, Lamentations 5:20-22 etc). Israel did not continue in belief and obedience, and thus God divorced them (Hosea 2, Jeremiah 3), and through that divorce he annulled the Old Covenant (what obligations does a man have to a woman he has divorced?), and paved the way for a new, and better covenant to be proclaimed with a new and better bride.

[Kahane's Grave Is A Gender-Neutral Bathroom]

I've always been curious about how Palestinian Christians (and their Christian supporters in other countries) justify so blatantly disregarding the clear text of Scripture that God gave the Land of Israel to the Jews.
The Holy Quran also acknowledges this: "Moses said to his people, "O my people, remember the favor of God upon you when He appointed among you prophets and made you possessors and gave you that which He had not given anyone among the worlds. O my people, enter the Holy Land which God has assigned to you and do not turn back and become losers." — Holy Quran, Surah Al-Ma'idah 5:20-21.

The same reason why Christians don't follow kosher laws. All of that sort of stuff was explicitly overturned in the New Testament.

Did they overturn that though? If you look at much of the Christian Right you'd think not.

[Statilius the Epicurean]

I've always been curious about how Palestinian Christians (and their Christian supporters in other countries) justify so blatantly disregarding the clear text of Scripture that God gave the Land of Israel to the Jews.
The Holy Quran also acknowledges this: "Moses said to his people, "O my people, remember the favor of God upon you when He appointed among you prophets and made you possessors and gave you that which He had not given anyone among the worlds. O my people, enter the Holy Land which God has assigned to you and do not turn back and become losers." — Holy Quran, Surah Al-Ma'idah 5:20-21.

To add to the other answers, most Christians have historically held to the belief that God's covenant with Israel has been superseded by his covenant with the Church, which is the new chosen people.