Outrage in Iran after woman dies in police custody after arrest over "improper" hijab

[jojoju1998]

What’s wrong with idea that if privatization = right wing, then nationalization = left wing?

Putin nationalized the oil and gas industry. Therefore, nationalization = right-wing.

There’s a reason why Putin isn’t seriously considered right wing by most people, actions such as this being one of them.

Wat. The authoritarian right internationally adores Putin's government in Russia.

Really? How so in a way that we don’t see leftists such as PSOL “adoring” Putin’s government?

Russian Conservativism doesn't assume " smaller " government ala Thatcherite/Reagan Anglo Saxon Conservativism. In fact, they see neoliberalization as being progressive, globalist.

[TheReckoning]

Not that there's an ounce of genuine desire to learn there, but the heart of left-wing ideology is empowering institutions to create social equality, not to concentrate power. Suggesting that left wing means nationalization is to suggest that an absolute monarch (supporters of which literally gave the right wing its name) is left wing. It's genuinely beneath anyone on a political forum to be this ignorant, though I guess there's nothing beneath someone who champions Nazi war criminals.

Iran's regime seeks to concentrate power in few hands - its own - for the purpose of exploitation and rape. Here's hoping the people they've tormented for so long give them what tyrants deserve.

You can be an absolute dictator, concentrating power in the hands of a few, and still be strongly left wing. The Soviet Union was such an example.

Like if nationalization is concentrating power in the hands of a few, therefore right wing, then privatization is dispersing power, and is therefore left wing.

[jojoju1998]

Not that there's an ounce of genuine desire to learn there, but the heart of left-wing ideology is empowering institutions to create social equality, not to concentrate power. Suggesting that left wing means nationalization is to suggest that an absolute monarch (supporters of which literally gave the right wing its name) is left wing. It's genuinely beneath anyone on a political forum to be this ignorant, though I guess there's nothing beneath someone who champions Nazi war criminals.

Iran's regime seeks to concentrate power in few hands - its own - for the purpose of exploitation and rape. Here's hoping the people they've tormented for so long give them what tyrants deserve.

You can be an absolute dictator, concentrating power in the hands of a few, and still be strongly left wing. The Soviet Union was such an example.

Every country has a different political history, and therefore the " American " version of Left vs. Right can't be applied to them.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

If state control of the economy and nothing else is all that determines whether a particular leader or government is left or right-wing, then noted left-wing luminaries would include Louis XIV, the Emperor Augustus and Rameses II.

[CumbrianLefty]

I still don’t think that the Iranian government is close to falling. A clear majority of Iranians are against these protests and want the IRGC and the Basij to start seriously cracking some skulls open. Granted, popular support for the Iranian government probably decreased from 75% down to about 60% if I had to guess. Once order is restored, public support in Iran for the government will go back up to around 90%.

Are you just going to assert that or do you have something to back that up?

I suppose the "basis" would be that "outside the big cities" most still support the regime.

Is that actually true, though?

[Filuwaúrdjan]

I suppose the "basis" would be that "outside the big cities" most still support the regime.

Is that actually true, though?

No, there have been protests and attacks on government symbols, enforcers etc. in provincial areas as well.

[MATTROSE94]

I suppose the "basis" would be that "outside the big cities" most still support the regime.

Is that actually true, though?

No, there have been protests and attacks on government symbols, enforcers etc. in provincial areas as well.

That is interesting to know. I still don’t think that the Iranian government is close to falling and also think that China will send in around 500,000 People’s Liberation Army troops to Iran to help Ebrahim Raisi and the IRGC restore order. China losing influence over Iran would be the equivalent of California or New York leaving the US.

[Silent Hunter]

Do they even have that level of strategic transport capacity? That's a huge level of commitment.

[MATTROSE94]

Do they even have that level of strategic transport capacity? That's a huge level of commitment.

I think China could conceivably move 500,000 troops to Iran utilizing aircraft and amphibious troop carriers. Xi will do everything conceivable to prevent the Iranian government from collapsing, as China will lose the buckle to the Belt and Road initiative if the Iranian government falls and Reza Pahlavi comes to power.

[Silent Hunter]

Do you think he'd actually come back as a constitutional monarch?

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Do you think he'd actually come back as a constitutional monarch?

Also, how many people actually want the Pahlavis back?

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

If state control of the economy and nothing else is all that determines whether a particular leader or government is left or right-wing, then noted left-wing luminaries would include Louis XIV, the Emperor Augustus and Rameses II.

Noted leftist screed the Deuteronomistic History

[Cashew]

Do they even have that level of strategic transport capacity? That's a huge level of commitment.

I think China could conceivably move 500,000 troops to Iran utilizing aircraft and amphibious troop carriers. Xi will do everything conceivable to prevent the Iranian government from collapsing, as China will lose the buckle to the Belt and Road initiative if the Iranian government falls and Reza Pahlavi comes to power.

Nonsense.

Do you think he'd actually come back as a constitutional monarch?

Also, how many people actually want the Pahlavis back?

The overwhelming majority of Iranians want them back, at least if you ask the monarchist exiles on twitter.

[MATTROSE94]

Do you think he'd actually come back as a constitutional monarch?

Also, how many people actually want the Pahlavis back?

I read a survey that pegged support for monarchy restoration in Iran at about 25%. About 56% support the Islamic Republic and 19% support a regular democracy.

[MATTROSE94]

Do they even have that level of strategic transport capacity? That's a huge level of commitment.

I think China could conceivably move 500,000 troops to Iran utilizing aircraft and amphibious troop carriers. Xi will do everything conceivable to prevent the Iranian government from collapsing, as China will lose the buckle to the Belt and Road initiative if the Iranian government falls and Reza Pahlavi comes to power.

Nonsense.

Do you think he'd actually come back as a constitutional monarch?

Also, how many people actually want the Pahlavis back?

The overwhelming majority of Iranians want them back, at least if you ask the monarchist exiles on twitter.

Most Iranian Americans born before 1985 of after 1999 and about 22% of Iranians. From my experience, most Iranian Americans born between 1985 and 1999 support the Islamic Republic moreso than their parents and largely want it to remain intact with some minor reforms like maybe having the Supreme Leader be an elected position or giving more rights to religious minorities and women. I am friends with an Iranian American woman born in 1991 who is aligned with the neoconservative wing of the Iranian Principlist movement despite not being super religious herself. My friend wants the Iranian government to brutally suppress the protests and launch major purges against ethnic and religious minorities in Iran.

I am unsure about the political views of Iranian Americans who came to the US before 1979, as only about 100,000 Iranian Americans lived in the US back then as opposed to the 3 million or so in the US today.

[Orwell]

Do they even have that level of strategic transport capacity? That's a huge level of commitment.

I think China could conceivably move 500,000 troops to Iran utilizing aircraft and amphibious troop carriers. Xi will do everything conceivable to prevent the Iranian government from collapsing, as China will lose the buckle to the Belt and Road initiative if the Iranian government falls and Reza Pahlavi comes to power.

Nonsense.

Do you think he'd actually come back as a constitutional monarch?

Also, how many people actually want the Pahlavis back?

The overwhelming majority of Iranians want them back, at least if you ask the monarchist exiles on twitter.

Most Iranian Americans born before 1985 of after 1999 and about 22% of Iranians. From my experience, most Iranian Americans born between 1985 and 1999 support the Islamic Republic moreso than their parents and largely want it to remain intact with some minor reforms like maybe having the Supreme Leader be an elected position or giving more rights to religious minorities and women. I am friends with an Iranian American woman born in 1991 who is aligned with the neoconservative wing of the Iranian Principlist movement despite not being super religious herself. My friend wants the Iranian government to brutally suppress the protests and launch major purges against ethnic and religious minorities in Iran.

I am unsure about the political views of Iranian Americans who came to the US before 1979, as only about 100,000 Iranian Americans lived in the US back then as opposed to the 3 million or so in the US today.

Why the hell are you friends with that chick, she sounds like a major B, itch

[TheReckoning]

If state control of the economy and nothing else is all that determines whether a particular leader or government is left or right-wing, then noted left-wing luminaries would include Louis XIV, the Emperor Augustus and Rameses II.

So if nationalization isn’t necessarily a left wing policy, then is the privatization that Pinochet pushed for not right wing, either?

It’s important to note that I feel like a lot of people here think that since Iran is a theocracy, it must be right wing, since in the U.S.A, more religious types tend to be associated with the political right. This leads to absurd conclusions on any comparative analysis, though, since it would imply that the Taiping Heavingly Kingdom was a far-right state.

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

“Pinochet was not right wing” is not a very winning argument.

[CumbrianLefty]

“Pinochet was not right wing” is not a very winning argument.

Almost a reductio ad absurdum of the "no true Scotsman" approach.

[Lourdes]

Iranian climber Elnaz Rekabi, just days after competing without hijab for the first time, has reportedly gone missing after she said she planned to return to Iran.

https://twitter.com/IranIntl_En/status/1581720920833814529

[Silent Hunter]

She turned up at the airport in Tehran and has "apologised".

I don't get why this regime has such a problem with women showing their hair.

[CumbrianLefty]

Men won't be able to control their lust if women don't "dress modestly", you know.

[TheReckoning]

Iran is extremely culturally conservative and has a mostly centrally planned economy.

Really? What aspects of Iranian culture did the Ayatollahs seek to conserve?

[Alben Barkley]

"Bomb, bomb, bomb Iran..."

The older I get, the more neocon I get.

I don't think this is a coincidence.

After all, there's only so long you can watch the same cycle of an evil regime harshly oppressing its people, the people try in vain to rise up, only to be brutally crushed so things just get even worse, before you start to wonder if maybe we should intervene and indeed might even have a duty to intervene as the most powerful country in the world. I know if the US ever went full Handmaid's Tale, I'd want Canada and the UK to bomb, bomb, bomb the US!

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

"Bomb, bomb, bomb Iran..."

The older I get, the more neocon I get.

I don't think this is a coincidence.

After all, there's only so long you can watch the same cycle of an evil regime harshly oppressing its people, the people try in vain to rise up, only to be brutally crushed so things just get even worse, before you start to wonder if maybe we should intervene and indeed might even have a duty to intervene as the most powerful country in the world. I know if the US ever went full Handmaid's Tale, I'd want Canada and the UK to bomb, bomb, bomb the US!

And do what, kill those women?