UK General Discussion: Rishecession

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

Would things really be any better under Sunak? He's a vapid failure himself; he's just not the vapid failure who's already been in office for over a month as the worst PM since at least Chamberlain.

[Torrain]

Would things really be any better under Sunak? He's a vapid failure himself; he's just not the vapid failure who's already been in office for over a month as the worst PM since at least Chamberlain.

Not really - but at least he doesn't have a net -48% approval rating, and bear personal blame for the spiralling cost of mortgages in the minds of a plurality of voters. Unless the current popularity death-spiral miraculously reverses, I think the self-preservation instinct will make it impossible for MPs to stick with Truss.

"We've listened, got rid of her, and we're a brand new government", isn't going to save them in 2024, but it might stop the haemorrhaging.

He's also vindicated by the Truss implosion - and his economic agenda is essentially being implemented. So he's got a degree of credibility back, that he lost over the past 12 months.

[Frodo]

Would things really be any better under Sunak? He's a vapid failure himself; he's just not the vapid failure who's already been in office for over a month as the worst PM since at least Chamberlain.

Not really - but at least he doesn't have a net -48% approval rating, and bear personal blame for the spiralling cost of mortgages in the minds of a plurality of voters. Unless the current popularity death-spiral miraculously reverses, I think the self-preservation instinct will make it impossible for MPs to stick with Truss.

"We've listened, got rid of her, and we're a brand new government", isn't going to save them in 2024, but it might stop the haemorrhaging.

So a marginal improvement then.  Instead of an election disaster for Conservatives being worse than in 1997 under Truss, Sunak might be able to make it only about as bad as in 1997.  

Every little bit helps, I guess... 

[Blair]

There's an obvious flaw with that plan, and that's the need to ensure an unopposed return.

It is very weird how commentators seem to think that the ‘right’ makes up only 20-30 or MPs in the parliamentary party- when the reality is that the number is easily over 100, and a large chunk of that won’t accept a coronation.

[OSR stands with Israel]

https://twitter.com/ed_miliband/status/1580931307185401856?s=46&t=YHSGup5mOz...

Took a fair amount of restraint to hold off playing that card til now. 

He did it in May of 2019 too:

https://inews.co.uk/news/brexit/ed-miliband-changes-his-twitter-name-to-mock-chaos-in-the-tory-party-295287

[brucejoel99]

There's an obvious flaw with that plan, and that's the need to ensure an unopposed return.

It is very weird how commentators seem to think that the ‘right’ makes up only 20-30 or MPs in the parliamentary party- when the reality is that the number is easily over 100, and a large chunk of that won’t accept a coronation.

All Truss supporters could oppose a coronation but there are enough Sunak & Mordaunt supporters (>2/3rds of Tory MPs), not to mention Truss supporters she's lost since the contest, to nonetheless make one happen brute force-style if/when they finally reach the point that it's become preferable to any alternative.

[MABA 2020]

Sacking Kwarteng has destroyed the purpose behind the Truss government and ensured her demise but I don't see how they could replace her with anyone who would be any better? The party seems too divided for a coronation and certainly don't think Sunak works as a unity candidate, the right of the party won't go along with that.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

Remember when the British right was full of figures with ordinal numbers and the word "of" in their names and made metaphors involving things like family silver? I do, and the contrast sort of makes me want to treat old-school aristos with a little more respect.

[Cassius]

Apparently Kwarteng didn't want to cut the 45p rate this year but was told by Team Truss to stick it in the mini-budget anyway.

Hmmmmmm.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Remember when the British right was full of figures with ordinal numbers and the word "of" in their names and made metaphors involving things like family silver? I do, and the contrast sort of makes me want to treat old-school aristos with a little more respect.

An absurd and risible bunch, but now that they're gone we do miss them. They turned out to be a stabilizing presence. I suppose there are obvious parallels with the old DCs in Italy.

[brucejoel99]

RIP Brady's mailbox:

https://twitter.com/sundersays/status/1581352682979479552

[Middle-aged Europe]

[Joe Republic]

https://twitter.com/peterbakernyt/status/1581288178363035648?s=20&t=y26u4_js...

[Pericles]

A new round of austerity would be a complete disaster. This is a complete spit in the face to voters who were promised leveling up by Boris in 2019, who voted Tory for the first time. Labour has a huge clean-up job when they win, we need Starmer to go hard with tax increases, public services are already in a dire state there is no room for further austerity.

[brucejoel99]

👀

https://twitter.com/peston/status/1581371868313169920https://twitter.com/peston/status/1581371875803860995

[Lord Halifax]

https://twitter.com/peterbakernyt/status/1581288178363035648?s=20&t=y26u4_js...

surprised the UK is still ahead of France

[Torrain]

RIP Brady's mailbox:

https://twitter.com/sundersays/status/1581352682979479552

You might be on to something - there’s some pretty open criticism of this from Tory MPs this evening. Two examples from different factions:

Steve Double, public rebel against Trussonomics:
That call for unity thing going well then I see ‍♂️

Amanda Milling, government minister under Johnson:
Comments like this about @Conservatives colleagues from No10 are totally unacceptable. No10 need to focus on tackling the issues facing our country, not sniping against their own MPs.

[brucejoel99]

There's no escaping being Ready for Rish!:

https://twitter.com/spectator/status/1581337593631105025

[Battista Minola 1616]

Remember when the British right was full of figures with ordinal numbers and the word "of" in their names and made metaphors involving things like family silver? I do, and the contrast sort of makes me want to treat old-school aristos with a little more respect.

An absurd and risible bunch, but now that they're gone we do miss them. They turned out to be a stabilizing presence. I suppose there are obvious parallels with the old DCs in Italy.

British politics in the last month or so has certainly been trying to imitate Italy with all our absurdity and chaos a lot, hasn't it?

[Estrella]

Latest news from day two of Daily Star's deathmatch between Prime Minister The Right Honourable Elizabeth Truss MP and a head of lettuce: someone put up a disco ball, there's soft piano music playing in the background, the lettuce has been stylishly outfitted with googly eyes and a blonde wig and there's a surprisingly wholesome community developing in the comments.

Judging by the latest news, the odds are definitely with the lettuce.

[TheTide]

Incidentally, whose bright idea was it to have a major economic statement on October 31st? Will the next one be on April 1st?

[Torrain]

Incidentally, whose bright idea was it to have a major economic statement on October 31st? Will the next one be on April 1st?

It is clearly the policy of this government to tempt the tabloids to make the worst puns possible in their headlines. I.e:

• Hunt spooks the markets.
• Trick(le Down) or Treat.
• Grow the (Pumpkin) Pie
• Zombie Government Reveals Budget
• Voodoo Economics
• Devil’s Bargain: Truss Sells Out

[Pericles]

Incidentally, whose bright idea was it to have a major economic statement on October 31st? Will the next one be on April 1st?

The Tories have a thing for this, Boris announced a lockdown on Halloween.

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

Incidentally, whose bright idea was it to have a major economic statement on October 31st? Will the next one be on April 1st?

[Torrain]

More Tory dissenters going public, with a slight escalation in rhetoric:
https://mobile.twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1581552042346131456

It’s worth noting that Halfon is also furious about the attacks made on Javid by No.10 sources - branding them “disgusting” attacks on a “good and decent man”. You’ve got to remember, while Javid isn’t “make him PM” popular, he’s viewed as a safe pair of hands, and a hardworking minister.

He also recently lost his brother to suicide, and has spoken within the past week about his grief, and desire to strengthen mental health services on the Today programme on R4. Awful timing for Truss to brief that she openly laughed at the idea of him as a minister, and attempt to discredit his entire ministerial career as “sh*t”.