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Filuwaúrdjan
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« on: September 06, 2022, 04:49:59 AM »

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« Reply #1 on: September 06, 2022, 01:55:50 PM »


Has been very close to Truss in the past. They know each other well and have often discussed matters affecting the country and, also, I believe Uganda.
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« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2022, 01:25:05 PM »

...someone who left the Lib Dems because they weren't approved as a candidate fast enough.

Oh is that why she defected when she did? I had always wondered what on Earth was behind that: not many people joined the Conservative Party after being a member of a different party in 1996 of all years!
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« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2022, 01:27:04 PM »

Wait, so how many affairs has she had, that we know of?  She had one with Mark Field in 2004-05 when he was an MP but she wasn't yet.  And now rumors with Kwasi Kwarteng.  Who else?

Allegedly she discussed issues concerning Uganda with various staffers and bag-carriers at times as well.
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« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2022, 09:12:12 AM »

It does not look very good. I suspect that even if she pulls through today and the night that this is the first in a series of crises one of which will be the last. I did note that in the photographs the other day she had a large bruise on her hand - the sort you often find on frail people who have recently had a cannula in.

Maybe not, but there is a written procedure IIRC with 'buzzwords' that are released in statements such as the one earlier in this sort of situation.

Yes, there's a complex set of protocols and they will know before we do, possibly even hours before.
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« Reply #5 on: September 08, 2022, 10:45:49 AM »

Liz Truss is a dreadful person to lead the UK through a moment like this (or potential).

Major, Blair, Cameron … hell even May and Johnson would be better. And of course Starmer could be

Not Johnson. And it's fairly clear that she would not have wanted that: it's an open secret that there hasn't been a PM as personally detested by Brenda and the rest of them as he was (and, bluntly, for several good reasons).
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« Reply #6 on: September 09, 2022, 05:09:25 AM »

Charles isn't any more 'tainted' as a name than George - the last two Georges would generally be seen to have been alright, but none of the four previous ones would exactly be seen as setting particularly auspicious examples, if for different reasons. The main reason why it wasn't chosen as a name for a long time was because it was associated with the Jacobite cause, but that's an extremely distant memory now. The one name that is essentially forbidden is Arthur, and that's for (rationally?) superstitious reasons as Prince Arthurs have a habit of dying young.
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« Reply #7 on: September 09, 2022, 06:22:15 AM »

If you want to see what Boris Johnson would have said in an address to the nation if he had still been PM then, er, look at the tribute he's put out whilst not being PM.

His just missing out on this chance to self-aggrandize is simply so utterly glorious, maybe the best thing in all this.

I hope he is seething constantly.

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« Reply #8 on: September 10, 2022, 06:02:30 AM »

Random Ruritanian notes just because:

a) Guards regiments wear bearskins as part of their dress uniform in reference to the Battle of Waterloo, in which they routed the French Imperial Guard who o/c famously wore bearskins as part of their uniform

b) The use of the colour red in British military costumes is older than might be assumed and not uninteresting. Its use as a war colour by Mediaeval Welsh soldiers (no matter who they were fighting for or in what conflict) is well-attested and it seems to have spread as from there, presumably because it is a very striking colour, there were a lot of Welsh mercenary soldiers in the Middle Ages and, of course, the victory of an army with a large Welsh contingent at Bosworth. It became the first formal uniform colour in British history when it was picked as the colour of the New Model Army during the Civil War, which means that the uniforms on display at today's ceremonies actually have some Republican roots.
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« Reply #9 on: September 11, 2022, 03:28:33 AM »

Very much looking forward to the entire World's media trying to find their way around Caernarfon and getting extremely and hilariously lost! Also, it's a rather depressed postindustrial town these days and has had a really rough decade and could do with the attention - it's pretty enough that it could give a permanent boost.
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« Reply #10 on: September 14, 2022, 01:59:40 PM »

He's - and I say this as an observation not as a slur, very much not - very clearly on the spectrum.
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« Reply #11 on: September 16, 2022, 09:54:15 AM »

Interesting and pretty funny article I thought and one piece that stuck out to me,

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But there is also something more sinister brewing here. Hospital appointments on the day of the queen’s funeral are cancelled. Food banks are closed. Normal people’s funerals are also cancelled. On the day the queen died, Liz Truss, our new prime minister, quietly lifted the ban on fracking in this country and also announced a plan to relieve Britons of crippling energy bills this winter without explaining where that money is going to come from. I’m not suggesting that anybody offed the queen early for political expediency, but parliament will now be closed for a month: again, to respect the dead queen.

Yeahhh. All of this, despite the genuine affection I realize many people (hell, even myself as an American) had for Lizzie really stinks of the archaic energy of monarchy. But I digress.

The important thing to note is that these decisions were taken by the government, not by the King or even 'the Palace'. Rather amusingly it has already been briefed that he does not approve of everyone going full Stop All The Clocks over his mother's death and that the decision to call a Bank Holiday at very short notice (which has caused the largest amount of disruption, particularly in the health service)* was entirely down to the government - which, of course, it has to have been. It is certainly possible that a new administration is trying (rather ineptly and it would seem not particularly successfully) to use the Queen's death and funeral for political ends, but that would not be on the monarchy itself, either as an institution or as a general principle.

N.B. on fracking we can be... aha... reasonably sure that our new monarch is not a massive fan. Not that he can do anything other than complain in private, but it means that joining the dots, again, leads to political decisions by the elected government, not the institution of the monarchy (whatever you think of it).

*The easier way to avoid this situation would have been to have the funeral on a Saturday, as was actually done the last time we had a State Funeral in Britain (Churchill in 1965), the last time we had a public funeral as major as this one (Diana in 1997), and the last time we had a funeral for a senior member of the Royal Family (Prince Philip last year). Curious.
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« Reply #12 on: September 16, 2022, 12:45:10 PM »

Again, there's nothing but long-standing convention keeping King Charles from expressing his political opinions. The guy pays all the taxes he's legally required to, why shouldn't he express his opinions on subjects he cares about?

Nothing but convention? Nothing but?! The Constitution is a series of Conventions!
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« Reply #13 on: September 16, 2022, 12:59:24 PM »

*The easier way to avoid this situation would have been to have the funeral on a Saturday, as was actually done the last time we had a State Funeral in Britain (Churchill in 1965), the last time we had a public funeral as major as this one (Diana in 1997), and the last time we had a funeral for a senior member of the Royal Family (Prince Philip last year). Curious.

George VI's funeral was on a Friday.

Yes. Interestingly when not on Saturdays they have tended to be on Fridays or Tuesdays. Friday would generally be the least impactful day of the working week, while Tuesday is a fairly traditional pick for a funeral date, for reasons I've never been entirely sure of. Victoria's funeral was on a Monday though: I suppose there's a chance that someone thought echoing that would be clever. Of course it was famously a complete fiasco.
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« Reply #14 on: September 17, 2022, 08:28:15 AM »

Again, there's nothing but long-standing convention keeping King Charles from expressing his political opinions. The guy pays all the taxes he's legally required to, why shouldn't he express his opinions on subjects he cares about?

Filuwaúrdjan has already made the point, but remember, we unironically subscribe to the following maxim:

The real Constitution was the friends conventions we made along the way.


We have a vibes-based constitutional order. Which, rather insanely, seems to work, somehow.
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« Reply #15 on: September 17, 2022, 12:12:58 PM »



lmao
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« Reply #16 on: September 18, 2022, 04:52:38 AM »

Some concerning events in Leicester recently which aren't being 'elaborated' on by the press. Which is probably write damaging in the short term.

What's going on in Leicester?

Communal violence in the eastern end of the city. It's hard to be sure of many details because the reporting has been so patchy and vague, which is neither good nor helpful. The BBC have suggested a correlation between a 20/20 Cricket match between India and Pakistan at the end of August.* Wouldn't be the first time, but this is nastier than usual.

*Leicester's Muslims are largely Gujarati in origin - thus 'Indian' on the census rather than 'Pakistani' - but Cricket support is often not really about nationality for obvious reasons.
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« Reply #17 on: September 22, 2022, 04:34:33 AM »

Meanwhile there are scores of Conservative MPs who are about as religious as Lenin's corpse who nevertheless always chose to be sworn in (and usually on the KJV) because it's what's done, old chap. Which is related to the main reason why Truss's Reading at the Queen's funeral was as amusingly poor as it was: she's not religious (even if she now, frankly pointlessly, claims to be vaguely Anglican. Who buys this? And why even bother?), did not have a religious background growing up and was not exposed to religion much at school and so, unsurprisingly, was entirely and obviously unfamiliar with both the verse she had to read and how you're supposed to read from the Bible. Mind you, most people in that position would have rehearsed like mad and made sure to check how you're supposed to do it, but she's arrogant even for a politician.
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« Reply #18 on: September 22, 2022, 08:46:15 AM »

JRM suggesting in the Commons that opponents of fracking (who included, just in this session, quite a few backbenchers in his own party) are in the pay of the Kremlin.

Yes, this is going superbly.

I still can't quite believe that a) he was given a proper Cabinet post again and b) it happens to be one that is going to be rather high profile and important given the present situation.
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« Reply #19 on: September 23, 2022, 06:53:27 AM »

Utterly depressing. I don’t know who this is even supposed to appeal to, electorally speaking. The lion’s share of the benefits are going to the top few percent, not the broad upper middle classes in a way that might try to bring back the ‘Blue Wall’.

Oh they really Believe in all this nonsense, that's the thing. It was ominously clear during the Endless Leadership Election. This isn't policy as electoral strategy, this is pure ideological delusion.
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« Reply #20 on: September 23, 2022, 11:43:30 AM »

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« Reply #21 on: September 26, 2022, 04:10:52 AM »

Ah a good old fashioned Sterling Crisis. Whatever else one can say of Liz Truss, she keeps her promises: did she not say that she was 'going to hit the ground' if made PM?
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« Reply #22 on: September 26, 2022, 04:40:05 AM »

Tweet of the year, I guess.



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« Reply #23 on: September 26, 2022, 05:05:26 AM »

And in the middle of Labour Conference too - giving the opposition a chance to respond in real-time, in news-ready clips in front of a supportive audience.

Shadow Chancellor's speech today as well lol.
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« Reply #24 on: September 26, 2022, 12:56:23 PM »

The Telegraph is such a frustrating paper - competent at investigative journalism, and basically c**p at most other stuff.

It's a shame: it used to be a paper with a firm and very right-wing editorial line but with high quality journalism across the board (including very good sports coverage) so perfectly readable even if you strongly disagreed with its politics, but, well, long ago and far away now. It's an extreme example, but the general pattern holds across our newspapers.
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