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« Reply #9825 on: April 13, 2022, 02:15:05 PM »
Quote from: Logical on April 13, 2022, 02:10:17 PM
Mi-17 helicopters will be sent after all.


Sweet.
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« Reply #9826 on: April 13, 2022, 02:56:33 PM »
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« Reply #9827 on: April 13, 2022, 03:02:33 PM »
« Edited: April 13, 2022, 03:10:37 PM by rc18 »
I would take this with a heap of salt as previous such claims haven't come to much, but the Ukrainians are claiming to have struck and badly damaged the Moskva guided missile cruiser. It is the flagship of the Black Sea Fleet, and the ship involved in the "Russian warship go **** yourself" exchange. They claim to have got it with two indigenous Neptune cruise missiles.
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« Reply #9828 on: April 13, 2022, 03:07:13 PM »
Big if true.
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« Reply #9829 on: April 13, 2022, 03:37:56 PM »
« Edited: April 13, 2022, 07:43:25 PM by Storr »
Quote from: rc18 on April 13, 2022, 03:02:33 PM
I would take this with a heap of salt as previous such claims haven't come to much, but the Ukrainians are claiming to have struck and badly damaged the Moskva guided missile cruiser. It is the flagship of the Black Sea Fleet, and the ship involved in the "Russian warship go **** yourself" exchange. They claim to have got it with two indigenous Neptune cruise missiles.






The Moskva was launched in 1979 and commissioned in 1982! The Russian Navy really is just a Soviet era museum.

The oldest cruiser in US Navy service is the Bunker Hill, commissioned on September 20, 1986, which is scheduled to be decommissioned next year.

Edit: Out of curiosity, I looked up when the ship the Ukrainians sunk in Berdyansk started serivce. The amphibious warfare ship Saratov was commissioned on August 18, 1966!
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« Reply #9830 on: April 13, 2022, 03:49:13 PM »
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« Reply #9831 on: April 13, 2022, 03:50:46 PM »
« Edited: April 14, 2022, 04:21:43 AM by rc18 »
Although long in the tooth, the Moskva has the most comprehensive air defenses in the Black Sea Fleet, part of its role is providing anti-air cover for the others. So if it is gone the rest are more vulnerable if they move too far away from Crimean coast.

Edit: I notice "Tyre Trent" had the same idea,
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« Reply #9832 on: April 13, 2022, 03:52:19 PM »
Credit to Biden if this is true:

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« Reply #9833 on: April 13, 2022, 04:14:55 PM »
« Edited: April 13, 2022, 04:21:39 PM by Omega21 »
Some Ukrainian neo-Nazi scum apparently decided to give Putin a little break and serve him some microwave-ready propaganda a few weeks before the war.

The UA authorities need to dig up something on these people and take them off the streets.




Quote from: Storr on April 13, 2022, 03:52:19 PM
Credit to Biden if this is true:



Agreed. These helicopters are scrap metal for the US anyway, so why not give it to them if they can use it.
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« Reply #9834 on: April 13, 2022, 04:24:20 PM »
Quote from: Storr on April 11, 2022, 04:46:37 PM
The classic Soviet "British intelligence plot". Russia would only be saying stuff like this if there were atrocities committed in Sumy Oblast that will be discovered soon.




Well, what do you know?
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« Reply #9835 on: April 13, 2022, 04:40:43 PM »
Extraordinary claims requires proof. I'll wait for visual confirmation. Random bits of radio chatter isn't proof btw, those can be easily faked.
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« Reply #9836 on: April 13, 2022, 05:14:04 PM »
Quote from: Omega21 on April 13, 2022, 04:14:55 PM
Some Ukrainian neo-Nazi scum apparently decided to give Putin a little break and serve him some microwave-ready propaganda a few weeks before the war.

The UA authorities need to dig up something on these people and take them off the streets.



I love how this Alex Rubinstein person expects us to believe that some gang leader is representative of Ukrainian thinking whereas the President of Russia, head of the country's largest church, news anchors on state television, etc. etc. etc. are not representative of Russian thinking.
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« Reply #9837 on: April 13, 2022, 05:39:48 PM »
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« Reply #9838 on: April 13, 2022, 05:42:15 PM »

More Americans think the United States is responsible (somehow) for Putin invading Ukraine than do Japan, the United Kingdom, Germany, France, and Brazil.  And South Africa.  So pretty much matching India. 
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« Reply #9839 on: April 13, 2022, 05:45:32 PM »
Quote from: Frodo on April 13, 2022, 05:42:15 PM

More Americans think the United States is responsible (somehow) for Putin invading Ukraine than do Japan, the United Kingdom, Germany, France, and Brazil.  And South Africa.  So pretty much matching India.  


It's the Tucker Carlson effect.
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« Reply #9840 on: April 13, 2022, 05:51:19 PM »
Quote from: Supporter and promoter of anti-white racism on April 13, 2022, 05:14:04 PM
Quote from: Omega21 on April 13, 2022, 04:14:55 PM
Some Ukrainian neo-Nazi scum apparently decided to give Putin a little break and serve him some microwave-ready propaganda a few weeks before the war.

The UA authorities need to dig up something on these people and take them off the streets.



I love how this Alex Rubinstein person expects us to believe that some gang leader is representative of Ukrainian thinking whereas the President of Russia, head of the country's largest church, news anchors on state television, etc. etc. etc. are not representative of Russian thinking.

Shameless Russian shill shilling for Russia, news at 11.
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« Reply #9841 on: April 13, 2022, 06:12:21 PM »
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« Reply #9842 on: April 13, 2022, 06:15:29 PM »
« Edited: April 13, 2022, 06:30:01 PM by Middle-aged Europe »
Re: Germany

"The problem is sitting in the Chancellery. Mr. Scholz is talking about a turning point, but he's not implementing it sufficiently and it needs significantly more leadership. We are massively losing standing with all our neighbours at the moment." - Anton Hofreiter, former Green caucus leader in the German Bundestag and current chair of the Bundestag committee on European affairs.

That's pretty harsh language coming from one of Scholz' governing partners, although Hofreiter probably wouldn't have been as harsh had he still been the caucus leader instead of a committee chairman, I guess.
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« Reply #9843 on: April 13, 2022, 06:15:42 PM »
Русский военный корабль, иди на хуй!
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« Reply #9844 on: April 13, 2022, 06:32:11 PM »
Holy crap let’s go Ukraine! Hitting the Black Sea flagship opens the southern front for Ukrainian air support 😁
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« Reply #9845 on: April 13, 2022, 06:40:13 PM »
Well, well, well. Or should I say
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
Russian warship, idi na khuy!
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« Reply #9846 on: April 13, 2022, 06:47:50 PM »
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« Reply #9847 on: April 13, 2022, 06:53:10 PM »
Quote from: Middle-aged Europe on April 13, 2022, 05:45:32 PM
Quote from: Frodo on April 13, 2022, 05:42:15 PM

More Americans think the United States is responsible (somehow) for Putin invading Ukraine than do Japan, the United Kingdom, Germany, France, and Brazil.  And South Africa.  So pretty much matching India.  


It's the Tucker Carlson effect.

An abomination.
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« Reply #9848 on: April 13, 2022, 06:55:30 PM »
 Cheesy Cheesy
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« Reply #9849 on: April 13, 2022, 06:55:35 PM »
Quote from: Filuwaúrdjan on April 13, 2022, 06:12:21 PM


The Russian announcement doesn't exclude the possibility it was a Ukrainian missile, just claims the ammunition detonated as a "result of a fire". No s*** Sherlock, ammunition doesn't just spontaneously combust. I wonder how that fire started? It's not like there's a war going on or anything.  

This is the whole thing translated by google: "The ammunition detonated as a result of a fire on the Moskva missile cruiser, the Russian Defense Ministry said. The crew was completely evacuated. The reasons for the incident are being established."
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