PA-SN 2022 megathread: Shrek vs. The Wizard of Oz

[One Term Floridian]

Never thought I'd see this headline, but here we are...

https://twitter.com/DrOz/status/1508475797534826506?cxt=HHwWlICzhdyvl-8pAAAA

Imagine thinking this moves a single vote.

Most of these endorsement actually don't matter much, if at all. Maybe a few big names like Obama and Trump can make a difference, or some local hero or a certain celebrity, but Rick Freakin' Perry's endorsement in a Pennsylvania primary? Lmao.

Former Dem endorses former Dem

[Anti Democrat Democrat Club]

Well, at least he's decided to drop bullsh*tting the good people of my former state.

What do you think of Lamb's recent shift in direction? Of this attack? What does this say about his prospects and the state of the race?

All sh*tposting aside, it was bound to happen eventually and it'll be a potent attack. I wouldn't call it desperate because it has punch. We are in the Democratic primary after all, and pulling a gun on an unarmed black man is a bad look for a Democrat to say the least. I'm probably the biggest Fetterman hack on here and I can admit that it was stupid, reckless, and unconscionable. I personally think he's changed, but I can't really knock anyone who thinks this is disqualifying.

I think it's an acknowledgement from the Lamb campaign that he's down in the polls, but the desperation is in the fine print. Even in his original statement, he talked about him skipping a meeting like he wasn't presiding over the Senate. I think that part shows more of Lamb's desperation - which we've seen from him arguing with journalists on Twitter and red-baiting.

[kwabbit]

We do really need more polls for this race. Is it just me, or has polling been unusually sparse for 7 months away from the general/2 months from the primary?

Fetterman isn't dominant, he's got 33% of the vote, but Lamb has just been so weak. They both just seem like 6/10 candidates in a year of depressed Dem enthusiasm. Hard to see them winning the general. I used to think both were pretty good candidates, but Lamb doesn't seem to have statewide appeal and Fetterman has been a lazy campaigner.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

We do really need more polls for this race. Is it just me, or has polling been unusually sparse for 7 months away from the general/2 months from the primary?

Fetterman isn't dominant, he's got 33% of the vote, but Lamb has just been so weak. They both just seem like 6/10 candidates in a year of depressed Dem enthusiasm. Hard to see them winning the general. I used to think both were pretty good candidates, but Lamb doesn't seem to have statewide appeal and Fetterman has been a lazy campaigner.

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Lol there isn't any depressed enthusiasm until we find out what the results are, Depressed enthusiasm is 82M votes in 2010 2012,2016/2020 D's got 65/60,M votes but there is worrisome in D's ranks about the H since Ukraine War is dominating the oil and gas states in OH, AK, and TX that we are gonna lose the H over

The Senate doesn't go thru TX, AK and OH it touches blue wall states, we can lose the H alone based on TX not PA seats

A 303 map clinches the Senate not the H for us, that's why users takes on Rs sweeping NV and PA, Hillary won NV as she lost the Election to Trump

As for the lack of polling there isn't any pollsters that believe it's a 413 map anymore they are selectively polling states  around the 303 blue wall that's why they stopped polling TX.

They did the same thing in 2020 Morning Consult gave us AZ, FL, NC polls a 335 map, remember this is a Secular media, it's a 303Map

[wbrocks67]

We do really need more polls for this race. Is it just me, or has polling been unusually sparse for 7 months away from the general/2 months from the primary?

Fetterman isn't dominant, he's got 33% of the vote, but Lamb has just been so weak. They both just seem like 6/10 candidates in a year of depressed Dem enthusiasm. Hard to see them winning the general. I used to think both were pretty good candidates, but Lamb doesn't seem to have statewide appeal and Fetterman has been a lazy campaigner.

There's just a general low interest in this race entirely. It's not just Dems. The Rep side has been inundated with ads for Oz and McCormick for months now and both are literally sitting at like 14% in polls too. Voters just aren't plugged into this entire race at all.

But polling has been sparse, which is why I want to see more to see if Fetterman has a legitimate edge.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Polling is sparse but it's still a 303 blue wall map despite Biden Approvals the Red states as Civiqu points out is where his low bar is not the blue states he's at 44/50 percent in them but 34 percent in red states

Why because Trump is heavily campaigning in Red states especially TX and FL

Biden isn't at 40 percent he's at 45 percent


We tend to think Biden 40 percent oh he is upsetting people all over no he's not, he is already unpopular in the South he lost to Trump already it's oy been since 2020 that we last voted, things aren't that radical


This goes for Johnson supporters in WI he isn't that popular he was only popular due to Scott Walker and Pail Ryan whom helped him upset Russ Feingold by 200 K votes in 2010

If we lose the H it would be due to OH, FL and TX and NC we have 303 delegation already in H , S and Gov Mansion it's gonna be an RH, DS in 22

But that's contingent on this Ukraine war if it ends D's improve their chances in H

[Ferguson97]

When Fetterman/Lamb lose in the general, the discourse about how the other one would've absolutely won is gonna be unbearable.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

When Fetterman/Lamb lose in the general, the discourse about how the other one would've absolutely won is gonna be unbearable.

Lol Fetterman and Lamb are leading , by 9 and 3 respectively over Oz, Oz is overrated

Lol your not a moderator you are just Atlasia you don't know for certain what's going to happen do you know the turnout in 2010 Midterm it was 90M votes, when we got slaughtered it was same day 2012/2016/2020,0 we had 12 that's why it was a 303 map

Atlasia people act like moderators, pbower2A isn't a moderator but he disputes your claim but he is in hiding the election is Nov it's only April

[wbrocks67]

Very interested to see fundraising for this race for Q1.

[Anti Democrat Democrat Club]

https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/1510710867817639938

My apologies to the Lamb camp on here. It turns out that Lamb is indeed, not a Manchincrat or Sinemacrat like I've been sperging out about here for months.

It turns out he's a Republican

https://twitter.com/ConorLambPA/status/1457553657898184705

[GoTfan]

Hay, Conor, quick word mate: Every Democrat is a socialist as far as the Republicans are concerned.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

It won't matter he is at same levels of support as Keynetta 10 percent I don't know why Sawx keeps putting up Lamb attack ads Lambs needs Keynetta to move up both Lamb and Keynetta have moved down

[Anti Democrat Democrat Club]

It won't matter he is at same levels of support as Keynetta 10 percent I don't know why Sawx keeps putting up Lamb attack ads Lambs needs Keynetta to move up both Lamb and Keynetta have moved down

To rub it in to the Lamb contingent's faces that I was right about him.

[Not Me, Us]

Is Lamb really using "didn't help with infrastructure" as a line of attack? Fetterman's a state LG, how is he supposed to help pass a federal infrastructure bill? Just lazy and dumb, Lamb is such a clown.

[Anti Democrat Democrat Club]

Is Lamb really using "didn't help with infrastructure" as a line of attack? Fetterman's a state LG, how is he supposed to help pass a federal infrastructure bill? Just lazy and dumb, Lamb is such a clown.

He's also using "didn't help with student debt" as a line of attack.

Just absolutely down bad behavior from Lamb. I can't believe this is the candidate that flipped a ruby-red seat in 2018.

[Calthrina950]

Hay, Conor, quick word mate: Every Democrat is a socialist as far as the Republicans are concerned.

I'm convinced Lamb would lose by more than Fetterman if he were the Democratic nominee at this point. He is such a bland, uninspiring, and opportunistic candidate, as his recent attacks against Fetterman show, and has few or no substantive accomplishments to speak of. He would not energize turnout among the Democratic base and wouldn't be able to sway over a sufficient number of swing voters to win.

[Sir Mohamed]

Has Lamb shifted to right since entering congress in 2018? I feel like opinion of him was fairly positive in 2018 in the aftermath of that special election. If I remember correctly, he was even mentioned as senate, gov or VP material. Now seems like nobody really likes him.

[wbrocks67]

Has Lamb shifted to right since entering congress in 2018? I feel like opinion of him was fairly positive in 2018 in the aftermath of that special election. If I remember correctly, he was even mentioned as senate, gov or VP material. Now seems like nobody really likes him.

I wouldn't say "nobody", but we're once again seeing the far left/progressives do this. This is 2016 all over again. Fetterman is Bernie and Conor is Hillary.

Look, I'll support whoever the nominee is. If it's Conor, great. If it's Fetterman, great. If it's somehow Kenyatta, great. But the way the purity tests keep charging through and we keep doing this BS hate spewing when we're all on the same side is ridiculous.

People here just "don't like" Lamb now because he dared go up against liberal hero John Fetterman. It's all getting exhausting. People sitting here trying to attack Lamb as if Fetterman is perfect (News flash - neither are).

[This user has not been convicted of 34 felonies]

Sunrise can be pretty exhausting and cringe, but videos like this are never not funny:

https://twitter.com/sunrisemvmtpa/status/1510970599832756230?s=20&t=XNr388ZE...

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Has Lamb shifted to right since entering congress in 2018? I feel like opinion of him was fairly positive in 2018 in the aftermath of that special election. If I remember correctly, he was even mentioned as senate, gov or VP material. Now seems like nobody really likes him.

I wouldn't say "nobody", but we're once again seeing the far left/progressives do this. This is 2016 all over again. Fetterman is Bernie and Conor is Hillary.

Look, I'll support whoever the nominee is. If it's Conor, great. If it's Fetterman, great. If it's somehow Kenyatta, great. But the way the purity tests keep charging through and we keep doing this BS hate spewing when we're all on the same side is ridiculous.

People here just "don't like" Lamb now because he dared go up against liberal hero John Fetterman. It's all getting exhausting. People sitting here trying to attack Lamb as if Fetterman is perfect (News flash - neither are).

It's not just that people don't like Lamb, Fetterman isn't a moderate but he already appeals to Working class like Casey does and Fetterman was already in the race well before Lamb, Lamb should of entered alot sooner if he had a prayer against Fetterman that's why Fetterman will win

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Has Lamb shifted to right since entering congress in 2018? I feel like opinion of him was fairly positive in 2018 in the aftermath of that special election. If I remember correctly, he was even mentioned as senate, gov or VP material. Now seems like nobody really likes him.

No, he has actually shifted left

[Anti Democrat Democrat Club]

Has Lamb shifted to right since entering congress in 2018? I feel like opinion of him was fairly positive in 2018 in the aftermath of that special election. If I remember correctly, he was even mentioned as senate, gov or VP material. Now seems like nobody really likes him.

Most of that was from him winning something like a r+11 rural district. We didn't have any business winning that seat. Guy was unquestionably running on Manchinism at the time but nobody really cared because he was the best we could get. We didn't necessarily care that he was running as a deficit hawk who was against a $15 minimum wage. Conor Lamb won a seat in Pennsyltucky.

Even as he's moved to the record of a more standard moderate Dem, people are less open to him because there are two more progressive options in the race. There's also the dynamic of the GA special, where Dems made their major Senate pickups (the first black Dem to win the state since Reconstruction!) on unapologetically progressive policy. The more high-info voters who saw this, contrasted with Sinema and the DSCC's abject failure for their endorsed candidates to win, have determined that we don't need to sacrifice the agenda for power.

[Utah Neolib]

Has Lamb shifted to right since entering congress in 2018? I feel like opinion of him was fairly positive in 2018 in the aftermath of that special election. If I remember correctly, he was even mentioned as senate, gov or VP material. Now seems like nobody really likes him.

Most of that was from him winning something like a r+11 rural district. We didn't have any business winning that seat. Guy was unquestionably running on Manchinism at the time but nobody really cared because he was the best we could get. We didn't necessarily care that he was running as a deficit hawk who was against a $15 minimum wage. Conor Lamb won a seat in Pennsyltucky.

Even as he's moved to the record of a more standard moderate Dem, people are less open to him because there are two more progressive options in the race. There's also the dynamic of the GA special, where Dems made their major Senate pickups (the first black Dem to win the state since Reconstruction!) on unapologetically progressive policy. The more high-info voters who saw this, contrasted with Sinema and the DSCC's abject failure for their endorsed candidates to win, have determined that we don't need to sacrifice the agenda for power.

How was GA Special “unapologetically progressive”?
Both ran on platforms similar to Biden, maybe a very slight bit to the left, but would someone reasonably call that “unapologetically progressive”?

[Anti Democrat Democrat Club]

How was GA Special “unapologetically progressive”?
Both ran on platforms similar to Biden, maybe a very slight bit to the left, but would someone reasonably call that “unapologetically progressive”?

and warnock and ossoff ran on a progressive platform, especially on economics. i'm obviously not gonna say warnock and ossoff are like fetterman or bernie but they didn't run from stuff like BBB or stimulus checks. i've made it pretty clear that i care more about policy than party or loyalty to candidates i like.

as someone who likes that kind of stuff was a refreshing change from "take two triangulations and a flipflop and call me in the morning".

Has Lamb shifted to right since entering congress in 2018? I feel like opinion of him was fairly positive in 2018 in the aftermath of that special election. If I remember correctly, he was even mentioned as senate, gov or VP material. Now seems like nobody really likes him.

I wouldn't say "nobody", but we're once again seeing the far left/progressives do this. This is 2016 all over again. Fetterman is Bernie and Conor is Hillary.

Look, I'll support whoever the nominee is. If it's Conor, great. If it's Fetterman, great. If it's somehow Kenyatta, great. But the way the purity tests keep charging through and we keep doing this BS hate spewing when we're all on the same side is ridiculous.

People here just "don't like" Lamb now because he dared go up against liberal hero John Fetterman. It's all getting exhausting. People sitting here trying to attack Lamb as if Fetterman is perfect (News flash - neither are).

major bushie vibes from this statement

as the premier anti-lamb voice here, i've made it pretty clear from my posts that i don't fit the narrative you're peddling. forgive me if i don't trust the guy who just called spending on social programs socialism to be loyal to the cause.

[America Needs a 13-6 Progressive SCOTUS]

Has Lamb shifted to right since entering congress in 2018? I feel like opinion of him was fairly positive in 2018 in the aftermath of that special election. If I remember correctly, he was even mentioned as senate, gov or VP material. Now seems like nobody really likes him.

Some people who liked Lamb back then, and who thought he would be a great candidate for higher office back then do not like Lamb anymore because his 2020 re-election margin in his Congressional District was unambiguously pathetic. I myself am among these people.