PA-SN 2022 megathread: Shrek vs. The Wizard of Oz

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

I'll still need to see something substantive to suggest that Oz has suddenly flipped this race on its head. That clip from the last page of Fetterman, and the admittedly very awkward "New Jersey" gaffe/Freudian slip, is not enough to convince me. Oz still has a perception problem and is doing little to affirmatively make the case as to why Pennsylvanians should vote for him.

Though I will concede that Fetterman in that video wasn't all that charismatic. Oz isn't really either, so it might not even matter. In fact, given how the concept of "authenticity" appeals so much to Americans, Fetterman's lack of polish might even be an attribute, especially when contrasted with Oz.

The problem for Oz is that having a health incident or knowing someone with one is completely relatable to almost everyone. Everyone knows someone who has got dealt with something and then tried to bounce back as much as they could. Oz being so gross as to sh*t on all of that and mock it just makes him look even more out of touch and gross than he did before.

It looks crass. That's a big issue for him. Crassness can work for you if you are Trump, but Oz is not Trump.

Agreed. He is coming off as very mean-spirited, which is common for the GOP currently, but it looks bad when you're a frigging doctor and condescending to someone with a serious health issue they're recovering from. He's making Fetterman look more sympathetic.

If he were running a better campaign, perhaps he could have utilized Fetterman's stroke to his advantage if he were to come at it from a perspective of being concerned about Fetterman's health. But it's too late to even try that because everything out of him has been: look at this unhealthy fatty! You wouldn't have had a stroke if you stopped eating and ate more crudite! We'll have the defibs ready for the debate!" It's pathetic.

It's like Oz's campaign is basically "Fetterman is a radical socialist who suffered a stroke. Worse and less qualified than me, a man who can heal."
No wonder he's losing.

[ctherainbow]

So today I got an Oz mailer in my mailbox.  Addressed to me, a young, queer Democrat active in his local party, who just switched party registration to Dem in 2019.  And not addressed to my roommate, an actual Republican who votes just as regularly as I do, and who is not planning to vote for the Jersey TV doctor in November.

As a data analyst/Field Director for political campaigns, I want to talk to Oz’s voter contact targeting team, because if my mailbox is any indication, they are absolute sh**t at targeting.  In no universe am I a persuadable Oz voter, and yet his campaign is burning the money that he does not have to send me mailers while ignoring persuadable Pubs?

Yeesh.  If it wasn’t for the fact that I want to see Fetterman in the Senate, I’d almost feel sorry for Team Oz.

[GeorgiaModerate]

https://twitter.com/schwartzbCNBC/status/1567624662875574275

[wbrocks67]

So today I got an Oz mailer in my mailbox.  Addressed to me, a young, queer Democrat active in his local party, who just switched party registration to Dem in 2019.  And not addressed to my roommate, an actual Republican who votes just as regularly as I do, and who is not planning to vote for the Jersey TV doctor in November.

As a data analyst/Field Director for political campaigns, I want to talk to Oz’s voter contact targeting team, because of my mailbox is any indication, they are absolute sh**t at targeting.  In no universe am I a persuadable Oz voter, and yet his campaign is burning the money that he does not have to send me mailers while ignoring persuadable Pubs?

Yeesh.  If it wasn’t for the fact that I want to see Fetterman in the Senate, I’d almost feel sorry for Team Oz.

Is your roommate voting for Fetterman or Shapiro? :eyes:

[wbrocks67]

This is quite literally more proof that the Oz campaign is in shambles and becoming increasingly desperate, since they don't have anything to actually run on

https://twitter.com/JuliaTerruso/status/1567849961663991811

[wbrocks67]

Well that Oz narrative lasted about 1.2 seconds

https://twitter.com/CBSPhiladelphia/status/1567864179620552708

[MillennialModerate]

How is no one else worried about Fetterman? He clearly has something wrong - and aside from obvious concern about him. It could cost Dems this seat

[Holmes]

How is no one else worried about Fetterman? He clearly has something wrong - and aside from obvious concern about him. It could cost Dems this seat

Omg Feterman is dying

[wbrocks67]

How is no one else worried about Fetterman? He clearly has something wrong - and aside from obvious concern about him. It could cost Dems this seat

that "something wrong" is called recovering from a stroke. Why do you even bother posting here?

[wbrocks67]

https://twitter.com/njgavio/status/1567880798639882240

[MillennialModerate]

How is no one else worried about Fetterman? He clearly has something wrong - and aside from obvious concern about him. It could cost Dems this seat

that "something wrong" is called recovering from a stroke. Why do you even bother posting here?

Because there are other opinions aside from the sunshine brigade.

[Babeuf]

How is no one else worried about Fetterman? He clearly has something wrong - and aside from obvious concern about him. It could cost Dems this seat

I doubt there is anything medically wrong with him in the long-term. Speech and auditory problems are normal for a stroke recovery. Most stroke victims just don't have their immediate recovery in this harsh a public spotlight.

However, I wouldn't underestimate the Republicans ability to make gains off of that and seed doubt in Fetterman. There's a reason they're pushing so hard on this point, they think it's their best weapon. They might be wrong but they might also know what they're doing. It does worry me but I hope that Oz's obvious flaws as a candidate will render it moot.

[Sir Mohamed]

How is no one else worried about Fetterman? He clearly has something wrong - and aside from obvious concern about him. It could cost Dems this seat

I doubt there is anything medically wrong with him in the long-term. Speech and auditory problems are normal for a stroke recovery. Most stroke victims just don't have their immediate recovery in this harsh a public spotlight.

However, I wouldn't underestimate the Republicans ability to make gains off of that and seed doubt in Fetterman. There's a reason they're pushing so hard on this point, they think it's their best weapon. They might be wrong but they might also know what they're doing. It does worry me but I hope that Oz's obvious flaws as a candidate will render it moot.

The question, imho, is whether that would switch many voters? This kind of campaign attitude is tasteless and anyone not voting for Fetterman because of that might not have anyway.

[wbrocks67]

How is no one else worried about Fetterman? He clearly has something wrong - and aside from obvious concern about him. It could cost Dems this seat

that "something wrong" is called recovering from a stroke. Why do you even bother posting here?

Because there are other opinions aside from the sunshine brigade.

Gurl don't even try that. You do nothing but troll in every thread, as we've seen in the past. Bye!

[Babeuf]

How is no one else worried about Fetterman? He clearly has something wrong - and aside from obvious concern about him. It could cost Dems this seat

I doubt there is anything medically wrong with him in the long-term. Speech and auditory problems are normal for a stroke recovery. Most stroke victims just don't have their immediate recovery in this harsh a public spotlight.

However, I wouldn't underestimate the Republicans ability to make gains off of that and seed doubt in Fetterman. There's a reason they're pushing so hard on this point, they think it's their best weapon. They might be wrong but they might also know what they're doing. It does worry me but I hope that Oz's obvious flaws as a candidate will render it moot.

The question, imho, is whether that would switch many voters? This kind of campaign attitude is tasteless and anyone not voting for Fetterman because of that might not have anyway.

I hope you're right! I still think Fetterman has an edge here fwiw.

[ctherainbow]

So today I got an Oz mailer in my mailbox.  Addressed to me, a young, queer Democrat active in his local party, who just switched party registration to Dem in 2019.  And not addressed to my roommate, an actual Republican who votes just as regularly as I do, and who is not planning to vote for the Jersey TV doctor in November.

As a data analyst/Field Director for political campaigns, I want to talk to Oz’s voter contact targeting team, because of my mailbox is any indication, they are absolute sh**t at targeting.  In no universe am I a persuadable Oz voter, and yet his campaign is burning the money that he does not have to send me mailers while ignoring persuadable Pubs?

Yeesh.  If it wasn’t for the fact that I want to see Fetterman in the Senate, I’d almost feel sorry for Team Oz.

Is your roommate voting for Fetterman or Shapiro? :eyes:

Nope.  Haven’t moved him that far on the spectrum, but it’s one vote less for Jersey/Trashtriano.

[wbrocks67]

So today I got an Oz mailer in my mailbox.  Addressed to me, a young, queer Democrat active in his local party, who just switched party registration to Dem in 2019.  And not addressed to my roommate, an actual Republican who votes just as regularly as I do, and who is not planning to vote for the Jersey TV doctor in November.

As a data analyst/Field Director for political campaigns, I want to talk to Oz’s voter contact targeting team, because of my mailbox is any indication, they are absolute sh**t at targeting.  In no universe am I a persuadable Oz voter, and yet his campaign is burning the money that he does not have to send me mailers while ignoring persuadable Pubs?

Yeesh.  If it wasn’t for the fact that I want to see Fetterman in the Senate, I’d almost feel sorry for Team Oz.

Is your roommate voting for Fetterman or Shapiro? :eyes:

Nope.  Haven’t moved him that far on the spectrum, but it’s one vote less for Jersey/Trashtriano.

Good luck! Hopefully you can move him a bit.

[Morning in Atlas]

How is no one else worried about Fetterman? He clearly has something wrong - and aside from obvious concern about him. It could cost Dems this seat

that "something wrong" is called recovering from a stroke. Why do you even bother posting here?

Because there are other opinions aside from the sunshine brigade.

Lean Fetterman -> Titanium Fetterman

[Ferguson97]

https://twitter.com/JoshKraushaar/status/1567956665751818243

1. Imagine if a Democrat said this.

2. Oz is not an immigrant.

[Calthrina950]

https://twitter.com/JoshKraushaar/status/1567956665751818243

1. Imagine if a Democrat said this.

2. Oz is not an immigrant.

Nikki Haley is out of her depth. The Republican base doesn't particularly like her, and any crossover appeal to Democrats she had, arising from the Charleston shooting, was eliminated by her service in the Trump Administration.

[Pollster]

If I were advising Fetterman's campaign I'd recommend doing a direct to camera ad with a script like the following:

I'm John Fetterman, and Dr. Oz has been attacking me for having a stroke.

Yes, a doctor. Attacking me. For having a stroke. I know politics is brutal, but ~man~.

~My~ doctor says I'm recovering nicely. Recovering from a stroke can be difficult, and ugly at times, and most people don't have to do it in the spotlight of a political campaign. Dr. Oz knows that.

But this isn't the first time he's shown blatant disrespect to people because of their health. He's said smokers should be refused medical treatment, even though doctors take an oath to do no harm. And he wants to privatize medicare, which would force millions of seniors into health plans cited by regulators for wrongly denying medical claims.

I'm running for the Senate so every American has access to the same quality health care that saved my life. I approve this message, because I'll never wish you ill for your personal choices, or judge you for your pre-existing conditions.

[wbrocks67]

If I were advising Fetterman's campaign I'd recommend doing a direct to camera ad with a script like the following:

I'm John Fetterman, and Dr. Oz has been attacking me for having a stroke.

Yes, a doctor. Attacking me. For having a stroke. I know politics is brutal, but ~man~.

~My~ doctor says I'm recovering nicely. Recovering from a stroke can be difficult, and ugly at times, and most people don't have to do it in the spotlight of a political campaign. Dr. Oz knows that.

But this isn't the first time he's shown blatant disrespect to people because of their health. He's said smokers should be refused medical treatment, even though doctors take an oath to do no harm. And he wants to privatize medicare, which would force millions of seniors into health plans cited by regulators for wrongly denying medical claims.

I'm running for the Senate so every American has access to the same quality health care that saved my life. I approve this message, because I'll never wish you ill for your personal choices, or judge you for your pre-existing conditions.

Agreed. And Fetterman has definitely been doing more of this in a way; he pretty much said something like this in his MSNBC interview and in some of his tweets. The whole idea of "can you believe a doctor is mocking someone for a stroke?" is such a perfect lane for him to use to make Oz look like a total ass, so something like this would really drive it home.

Side note - have you heard anything about this race?

[wbrocks67]

https://twitter.com/JoshKraushaar/status/1567956665751818243

1. Imagine if a Democrat said this.

2. Oz is not an immigrant.

Also, it's hilariously out of touch that Republicans honestly think Nikki Haley is some suburban savior... especially in Delaware County.

[Sir Mohamed]

https://twitter.com/JoshKraushaar/status/1567956665751818243

1. Imagine if a Democrat said this.

2. Oz is not an immigrant.

Nikki Haley is out of her depth. The Republican base doesn't particularly like her, and any crossover appeal to Democrats she had, arising from the Charleston shooting, was eliminated by her service in the Trump Administration.

She's yesterday's news.

[Calthrina950]

https://twitter.com/JoshKraushaar/status/1567956665751818243

1. Imagine if a Democrat said this.

2. Oz is not an immigrant.

Nikki Haley is out of her depth. The Republican base doesn't particularly like her, and any crossover appeal to Democrats she had, arising from the Charleston shooting, was eliminated by her service in the Trump Administration.

She's yesterday's news.

True, and there's also this photograph of her with Oz at that campaign rally:

https://twitter.com/Andres__Weller/status/1567957915440496640

That crowd certainly isn't diverse, and seems to be composed mostly of middle aged to older white people. That's not the kind of coalition that will help Oz win.