2020 Presidential Election Results & Exit Polls commentary thread

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

Anybody else wonder if some of the media outlets are pressuring the states to release little at a time so they can have their story longer? I wouldn't put anything past these greedy traitors at this point.

I wouldn't either, but I doubt Democratic-controlled election processes like Pennsylvania's would acquiesce to that. Far likelier what's going on there really is just that their godawful state legislature did everything humanly possible to make the count take forever.

[BudgieForce]

I think the media is being extra careful because they don't want to give Trump and his supporters any more ammo in calling the election fraudulent.

[Inmate Trump]

So will there be a weekend off?

Pennsylvania at least is counting into tomorrow, thank God.

So they'll release another batch of very few votes that won't move the direction of the race at all, and then say they'll announce more votes the day after...going into the day after that, and so on.  It's really getting annoying.

The direction of the race moved decisively at breakfasttime this morning. The networks just refused to admit it.

Very true.  I meant more that whatever they release tonight won't push the networks to actually call anything.

[TopShelfGoal]

Anybody else wonder if some of the media outlets are pressuring the states to release little at a time so they can have their story longer? I wouldn't put anything past these greedy traitors at this point.

You guys sound like QAnon cultists with these theories.

[DaleCooper]

I've never seen anything like this before. The networks are just refusing to call the election for the clear winner. It also seems like the "Trump will win provisional ballots" conspiracy theory either originated with or was first heavily pushed by the networks. Insane.

[Splash]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1324846580147642369

[Inmate Trump]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1324846580147642369

But Trump already did make that claim....

[Fmr. Gov. NickG]

The media called the election for Trump on election night in 2016 based on even smaller margins than this.

[DaleCooper]

I think the media is being extra careful because they don't want to give Trump and his supporters any more ammo in calling the election fraudulent.

I could live with them being overly cautious. My problem is that they're feeding their viewers the "Here's how Trump can still win" takes that are inherently designed to delegitimize the election results.

[Inmate Trump]

The media called the election for Trump in 2016 based on even smaller margins than this.

Exactly.  If there's any scandal surrounding this election, it's the networks refusing to make a call when there's ample evidence to do so.

[It's Perro Sanxe wot won it]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1324846580147642369

Joe Biden should stop melting down on Twitter and stop trying to throw out legitimate ballots in states where he is trailing.

[Silent Hunter]

The media called the election for Trump on election night in 2016 based on even smaller margins than this.

They didn't have as many mail ballots then.

[BudgieForce]

I think the media is being extra careful because they don't want to give Trump and his supporters any more ammo in calling the election fraudulent.

I could live with them being overly cautious. My problem is that they're feeding their viewers the "Here's how Trump can still win" takes that are inherently designed to delegitimize the election results.

Yeah, I watched Kornacki make the "provisional ballots could potentially help Trump" line earlier today.

[Interlocutor is just not there yet]

Maybe Biden should wait until tomorrow to give his prime time speech. It might have more oomph if Biden is the official President-elect instead of the presumed President-elect.

Wasn't the 2016 election called during the middle of Trump's victory speech?

[GP270watch]

 The greatest president elect moment in history will always be Barack Obama's 2008 presidential election victory speech in Grant Park, that was amazing.

[It's Perro Sanxe wot won it]

Maybe Biden should wait until tomorrow to give his prime time speech. It might have more oomph if Biden is the official President-elect instead of the presumed President-elect.

Wasn't the 2016 election called during the middle of Trump's victory speech?

Yes Pennsylvania was called during his speech, but Hillary had already conceded.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

Screenshot because this thread was locked at some point in the past four years:

[Splash]

https://twitter.com/Nate_Cohn/status/1324847950166659077

[GeorgiaModerate]

This is Zeno's election, and so it will never be finished counting.

[Pouring Rain and Blairing Music]

My dad(and his friends) and sister are convinced that the vote in Miami and the Rio Grande are rigged/fake.

If you consider how overtly racist Trump's first campaign was, and how much this year's campaign was focused around the pandemic and the economy - not really great ground for him to turn up the racist rhetoric - it's actually not too surprising to me that Trump did better in those areas. I am surprised by the *scale* of the movement, but not the direction.

Yeah, Miami makes sense given the socialist fear mongering targeted towards Cubans (and the map showing that Trump blew out Cuban neighborhoods). Not sure about the Rio Grande Valley. Those shifts are nuts. I wouldn’t call it fraudulent without credible evidence though.

[SevenEleven]

Kind of crazy how Trump did better with non-white voters than any Republican nominee since 1960 and still lost!

Shocking, really.  Trump of all people.  Very probably the most racist president in modern times.

People have talked about this and beaten it to death and hurled plenty of insults at those who explain why and give reasons that are not always 100% positive or don't seem rational (without actually refuting any points made), and the fact that this happens explains exactly why this is so hard for people to grasp. Many people just don't understand other communities or cultures, and have to see that understanding other communities and cultures is knowing the good and the bad, and understanding that seemingly irrational behavior to one person is completely normal to another. There are people I know from Mexico and Taiwan who say that there are some things they just don't understand about America/Americans because they make absolutely no sense, and when I reflect on these things, I definitely think they have a point.

In the end, people of color supporting someone as racist as Trump in larger numbers than before makes about as much sense as rural working class white voters supporting someone as far removed from the working class in rural areas as Trump. It seems irrational, and you can definitely argue that it is to an extent (or criticize the logic behind the decision), but it does pay to understand why people see things differently.

Please, educate us. NOT sarcastic here.

Well, I did make a bit in another thread about what I discussed with my wife (who is Latina), and some posters predictably didn't respond well, but to summarize it in the least controversial way I can, many Latinos, but not all, are actually quite conservative on many issues. Also, Trump's rhetoric on immigration, while obviously something many Latinos will despise, is not universally despised, since some think he accurately describes some immigrants, and some would rather not associate themselves strongly with the Latino community, since they want to be seen as assimilated Americans. Many also didn't think positively of the BLM protests, nor the "defund the police" slogan, and the idea of stability and security is very important to many Latino immigrants, particularly those coming from regions which were not especially safe.

There are other reasons that I don't think are as unique to Latinos, such as a focus on the economy and frustration about lockdowns, which also played a factor. Of course, something that many people misunderstood about my post is that I was trying to address why Trump might have done better among Latinos. A good number who also voted for him in 2016 are likely rank-and-file Republican voters who identify with the party anyway, and it's not as though they came out specifically for Trump.

I'm no expert on the black community, so I would defer to someone else on that, and I can't speak for most Asians, but Taiwanese Americans were likely happy to see Trump's rhetoric on China, as well as how he recognized Taiwan on many occasions and even congratulated the Taiwanese President when she got re-elected. Of course, Trump doesn't care at all about Taiwan and just does it to give a middle finger to China, but that might not matter to Taiwanese Americans, since that doesn't undo his actions, and many do (understandably) have a very negative opinion of Mainland China.

Anyway, I understand that this should probably move to another thread, but I wanted to address it.

Its not only these factors. Much of the swings we see are in largely, I don't want to say unassimilated, but very much not your typical diverse American community. I think the law and order and BLM stuff is spot on, and I think Kamala Harris drove that point home for these voters. It's unfortunate, but it's political reality and essentially the same reasons why HRC lost, or Warren couldn't make it. There's a lot of voters with a lot of biases, and you have to navigate properly. Sometimes winning *is* more important than doing the right thing. If we have learned nothing since 2008, let us learn this, and quickly.

[Stockdale for Veep]

The Biden death march has left GA-PA victorious.

It's new target: the networks.

[GeorgiaModerate]

https://twitter.com/Garrett_Archer/status/1324847977270136832

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Amazing that it's been over 48 hours since a state was called with 5 or 6 uncalled states.

[forsythvoter]

Not sure if this is old news, but just noticed Biden is now leading by 4,235 votes in GA.