UK General Discussion:The Rt. Hon Alex Boris de Pfeffel Johnson, Populist Hero

[Blair]

I’m living for the FBPE crowd praising and hoping for President Barnier.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

I’m living for the FBPE crowd praising and hoping for President Barnier.

Truly we live in the Banter Timeline.

[Suburbia]

England men's football manager Gareth Southgate revealed he was abused online for advocating English people to get the vaccine.....he faced more abuse with that than the losses England faced under his reign....

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/aug/26/gareth-southgate-i-got-more-abuse-for-vaccine-video-than-managing-england

They are British libertarians too......that's their problem....if they don't want to get the vaccine, that is their problem. Period.

[Sir John Johns]

Exhumed from the archives of the French National Audiovisual Institute, a creepy as hell report on  ‘Jacob, 12, trader and fan of Thatcher’ dating back from 1982. Yeah, you know which Jacob we are talking about.

https://twitter.com/Inafr_officiel/status/1430775768142028801

‘I loved money, always have done’. 1982, meet Jacob, 12, an atypical boy who loves monitoring his stock prices, riding in a Rolls and who admires Margaret Thatcher. Jacob has a lot of ambitions. To discover what has become of him, go to the end of the video’.

My favorite part is when he gives the reason why he will never get married (ah!).

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

Exhumed from the archives of the French National Audiovisual Institute, a creepy as hell report on  ‘Jacob, 12, trader and fan of Thatcher’ dating back from 1982. Yeah, you know which Jacob we are talking about.

https://twitter.com/Inafr_officiel/status/1430775768142028801

‘I loved money, always have done’. 1982, meet Jacob, 12, an atypical boy who loves monitoring his stock prices, riding in a Rolls and who admires Margaret Thatcher. Jacob has a lot of ambitions. To discover what has become of him, go to the end of the video’.

My favorite part is when he gives the reason why he will never get married (ah!).

This cannot be real. This is parodic.

[Blair]

He’s a prime example of how Brexit has changed parliamentary politics- without it he would still be one  of the eccentric backbench Tory MPs who lecture Ministers about unitary local government structures or ecclesiastical reform.

[Geoffrey Howe]

From that video you can tell he is not a true aristocrat. Far too materialistic. I must say that I find Rees-Mogg quite vacuous, though sometimes rather amusing.

[CumbrianLefty]

He was a few years younger than that when he appeared on an episode of once popular children's show Jim'll Fix It. A programme now consigned to the outer darkness eternally for......reasons.

[Cassius]

From that video you can tell he is not a true aristocrat. Far too materialistic. I must say that I find Rees-Mogg quite vacuous, though sometimes rather amusing.

British aristocrats love money and material possessions like a cat loves catnip. They just don’t like having to put in any actual effort to acquire said money and material possessions. You are correct of course that Rees-Mogg isn’t an aristocrat but there are… other reasons for that.

[TheTide]

From that video you can tell he is not a true aristocrat. Far too materialistic. I must say that I find Rees-Mogg quite vacuous, though sometimes rather amusing.

You can also hear it in his accent. Certain syllables have a more humble twang.

[Alcibiades]

From that video you can tell he is not a true aristocrat. Far too materialistic. I must say that I find Rees-Mogg quite vacuous, though sometimes rather amusing.

You can also hear it in his accent. Certain syllables have a more humble twang.

He actually sounds posher now, which makes me think that his current accent is to a certain extent affected to keep in the character that he has created for himself.

[Geoffrey Howe]

From that video you can tell he is not a true aristocrat. Far too materialistic. I must say that I find Rees-Mogg quite vacuous, though sometimes rather amusing.

British aristocrats love money and material possessions like a cat loves catnip. They just don’t like having to put in any actual effort to acquire said money and material possessions. You are correct of course that Rees-Mogg isn’t an aristocrat but there are… other reasons for that.

Perhaps, but they would never talk about it like he does in that video. He comes across as materialistic in a rather crass, almost nouveau riche way. Put simply, he is just too open about it.

[YL]

From that video you can tell he is not a true aristocrat. Far too materialistic. I must say that I find Rees-Mogg quite vacuous, though sometimes rather amusing.

You can also hear it in his accent. Certain syllables have a more humble twang.

He actually sounds posher now, which makes me think that his current accent is to a certain extent affected to keep in the character that he has created for himself.

That's an impression I've had for some time.  His accent as a 12 year old sounds a bit weird in a way that suggests he was beginning to develop the affected accent but hadn't quite got it at that point.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

I mean he is genuinely posh, but at a lower (worse: provincial) rung. Old gentry family and in the West Country, almost as much as Wales, that largely means little more than 'posh farmers'.

[Geoffrey Howe]

I mean he is genuinely posh, but at a lower (worse: provincial) rung. Old gentry family and in the West Country, almost as much as Wales, that largely means little more than 'posh farmers'.

Catholic too, though there were some extremely wealthy Catholics (most famously portrayed in Brideshead Revisited). What was the social status of these types? I know the Dukes of Norfolk are traditionally Catholic, but I imagine there was some inferiority attached to Catholicism.

[Blair]

I can't remember where I read it but someone said the biggest give away is having a double barrel surname- something that our actual aristocracy tend to avoid (although you'll have to ask the Queen Mother how true this is as she's a Lyon-Bowes)

[Conservatopia]

I humbly submit that I think I know JRM a bit better than most who just know him from TV.  He's absolutely genuine.  Seriously - it's real and not a character.

Make of that what you will.

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

I humbly submit that I think I know JRM a bit better than most who just know him from TV.  He's absolutely genuine.  Seriously - it's real and not a character.

Make of that what you will.

I think there is a tendency to become the mask - there is a certain type who really leans on the foppish aristocrat image as essentially a party trick, a mirror of those who lean into mockney or crazy hippy or whatever.

[beesley]

Yeah, a lot of people I know felt that when JRM started getting attention he lapped it up (which is only a theory). All the 'get the longest word in hansard' business seemed innocent, but it contributed to him increasingly seeming like a parody of himself. Perhaps a fair explanation is that he was always viewed as a non-serious character, so it would be a valid stage in the character arc. But I think he's real, just become self-aware of it.

Of course he is seen as still quite ideological in spite of the character, not because of it, though I would argue much less ideological than his father actually was. Perhaps that's what being in politics does to you.

[Suburbia]

With a Tory government, I am surprised that US radio talk show host Michael Savage hasn't been freed from ban in the UK, the Labor government in 2009 did that, it is surprising....

https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=103819122

Priti Patel should offer an olive branch

[Statilius the Epicurean]

JRM sent that rule to his staff asking them to only use imperial measurements and some other silly and pedantic stuff I can't remember, so yeah I don't think it's a 'character'.

[Cassius]

Michael Gove has greatly enhanced his reputation in the race for my vote in the next Tory leadership election.

[Suburbia]

I don't think Gove would even be considered....he looks like a cartoon character

Patel and Badenoch would be historic firsts, something that a white-dominant conservative party needs......

[Pouring Rain and Blairing Music]

I don't think Gove would even be considered....he looks like a cartoon character

He looks like he walked out of Madame Tussaud’s on a hot day.

[Suburbia]

I don't think Gove would even be considered....he looks like a cartoon character

He looks like he walked out of Madame Tussaud’s on a hot day.

Exactly. Labor would win if he was the Tory leader.

Labor is ripe for a 2024 victory; it has been decades since they won