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jaichind
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Political Matrix E: 9.03, S: -5.39
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« Reply #604 on: September 18, 2021, 05:59:23 AM » |
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More LDP Prez polls Kyodo (LDP supporters) 河野太郎(Kono Taro) 49 岸田文雄(Kishida Fumio) 19 高市早苗(Takaichi Sanae) 16 野田聖子(Noda Seiko) 3 Mainichi (LDP supporters) 河野太郎(Kono Taro) 50 高市早苗(Takaichi Sanae) 25 岸田文雄(Kishida Fumio) 14 野田聖子(Noda Seiko) 3 Looking at the google doc tracking declared LDP MP support https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1syUoJ7PY7PXhluY1VF62aO7lKMzKl2-I6Xd2RxweyNA/edit#gid=0Out of 382 LDP MPs 241 has declared and 141 have not. Out of the 241 declared it is 河野太郎(Kono Taro) 76 岸田文雄(Kishida Fumio) 84 高市早苗(Takaichi Sanae) 60 野田聖子(Noda Seiko) 21 Note it is now 382 LDP MPs and not 383 LDP MPs. This is because retiring 竹下亘(Takesh**ta Wataru) leader of the 竹下(Takesh**ta) faction and half-brother of a former LDP PM just passed away. It seems even as a door closes to Kono winning (winning a majority on the first round which seems unlikely) another opens (Takaichi makes it to the second round as opposed to Kishida.) As it is it is still more likely Kishida makes it to the second round than Takaichi. Another Kono path is for him to win close to 60% of the LDP chapter vote making it to embarrassing for LDP kingpins (read Abe) to colluded to take it away from him in the second round.
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jaichind
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Political Matrix E: 9.03, S: -5.39
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« Reply #608 on: September 18, 2021, 07:20:35 AM » |
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It is interesting to break down the 246 declared LDP MPs by Lower House and Upper House from https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1syUoJ7PY7PXhluY1VF62aO7lKMzKl2-I6Xd2RxweyNA/edit#gid=0 Total Lower House Upper House 河野太郎(Kono Taro) 78 69 9 岸田文雄(Kishida Fumio) 84 61 23 高市早苗(Takaichi Sanae) 63 47 16 野田聖子(Noda Seiko) 21 11 10 Kono is much weaker with Upper House MPs than Lower House. The next Upper House elections are in 2022 and 2025 so there are a lot lower re-elect pressures on Upper House MPs where Lower House MPs have reelection pressures with general elections just weeks away. Kono's relative strength with Lower House MPs reflect the view that Kono will most likely bring in the most votes for LDP in the general election. But Kono is not sweeping Lower House MPs which does show that reelection pressure is not the only factor but one of many.
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jaichind
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Political Matrix E: 9.03, S: -5.39
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« Reply #610 on: September 19, 2021, 07:02:55 AM » |
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« Edited: September 19, 2021, 07:21:22 AM by jaichind »
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Noted journalist 大濱崎 (Ohama Saki) google doc of announced LDP MP https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1syUoJ7PY7PXhluY1VF62aO7lKMzKl2-I6Xd2RxweyNA/edit#gid=0now has it at out of 382 LDP MPs 252 has declared and 130 have not. Out of the 252 declared it is 河野太郎(Kono Taro) 78 岸田文雄(Kishida Fumio) 88 高市早苗(Takaichi Sanae) 65 野田聖子(Noda Seiko) 21 Mainichi's survey of LDP MPs has 河野太郎(Kono Taro) 95 岸田文雄(Kishida Fumio) 120 高市早苗(Takaichi Sanae) 80 野田聖子(Noda Seiko) which is a good deal worse for Kono. It is worse in two ways. First the gap between Kono and Kishida is bigger in this survey and the gap between Takaichi and Kishida is also bigger which rules out Kono facing Takaichi in the second round as opposed to Kishida.
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jaichind
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Political Matrix E: 9.03, S: -5.39
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« Reply #619 on: September 22, 2021, 04:25:35 PM » |
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What happens if Kishida wins?
Good question. I have been thinking about this since this is a realistic possibility. First if Kono leads LDP that is bad for JRP but good for DPP. If Kishida leads LDP then it is bad for DPP but good for JRP. In fact the LDP Leadership races is really JRP (Kono) vs DPP (Kishida) vs hardcore right LDP (Takaichi) vs CDP (Noda.) Just shows how big of a tent the LDP big tent party is. I think LDP seat count by leader would be Suga 215-235 Kono 240-260 Kishida 230-250 Takaichi 215-275 I think the way Kono ran the campaign damaged his brand of being a different type of politician and the chances of him leading the LDP to a seat count of above 260 is mostly gone. Kishida would run as a traditional LDP leader which should be good for at least 250 seats. But it seems that if Kishida does win the LDP Prez race it would be in the runoff against a Kono that won the LDP chapter vote. The sense that the fix was in for Kono would damage Kishida somewhat and limit the seats he can bring to the LDP to be more like 240. Takaichi would be a wildcard. Her hard right views could trigger a anti-LDP turnout (remember that Abe was also hard right but his wife had a moderate image which blunted the anti-right vote surge.) But her tell it like it is with no filters approach could also bring out marginal non-ideological voters and bring LDP to a large seat haul. The general election that would be the most fun would be if Takaichi leads the LDP and the most boring if Kishida leads the LDP.
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