SCOTUS overturns Roe megathread (pg 53 - confirmed)

[OSR stands with Israel]

This is a 30 page thread where maybe 5% of the posts actually reference the issue at hand.

The justices of the supreme court were tasked not with giving their opinion on abortion, not with trying one way or another with influence abortion policy in this country.

They were tasked with answering one question: does the united states constitution as it is currently written provide for a right to an abortion?

Unfortunately due to the unconstitutional power grab known as “Marbury v Madison”, the opinion of the Supreme Court justices actually does influence abortion policy in this country. If they were so worried about being found improperly opinionated or “legislating from the bench”, well, that bridge has been crossed centuries ago. The only honorable thing these “justices” could do to save face is resign in grace and call for the speedy dissolution of the institution.

You know the court ruling was then saying : “ We are going to get out of the business of making abortion policy “

[GALeftist]

This is a 30 page thread where maybe 5% of the posts actually reference the issue at hand.

The justices of the supreme court were tasked not with giving their opinion on abortion, not with trying one way or another with influence abortion policy in this country.

They were tasked with answering one question: does the united states constitution as it is currently written provide for a right to an abortion?

Unfortunately due to the unconstitutional power grab known as “Marbury v Madison”, the opinion of the Supreme Court justices actually does influence abortion policy in this country. If they were so worried about being found improperly opinionated or “legislating from the bench”, well, that bridge has been crossed centuries ago. The only honorable thing these “justices” could do to save face is resign in grace and call for the speedy dissolution of the institution.

You know the court ruling was then saying : “ We are going to get out of the business of making abortion policy “

If you pull some random dude off the street and ask them about the Supreme Court, the modal person will probably know like three things: the judges are basically Republicans or Democrats even though they're technically not, the Republicans have the court right now, and they get to issue binding opinions on law. As such, my inclination is to believe that when SCOTUS strikes down Roe and abortion immediately becomes illegal either in their state or in states they know of, they will basically understand what happened.

[Boobs]

This is a 30 page thread where maybe 5% of the posts actually reference the issue at hand.

The justices of the supreme court were tasked not with giving their opinion on abortion, not with trying one way or another with influence abortion policy in this country.

They were tasked with answering one question: does the united states constitution as it is currently written provide for a right to an abortion?

Unfortunately due to the unconstitutional power grab known as “Marbury v Madison”, the opinion of the Supreme Court justices actually does influence abortion policy in this country. If they were so worried about being found improperly opinionated or “legislating from the bench”, well, that bridge has been crossed centuries ago. The only honorable thing these “justices” could do to save face is resign in grace and call for the speedy dissolution of the institution.

You know the court ruling was then saying : “ We are going to get out of the business of making abortion policy “

Oh, well if they said it, it must be true!

[Fmr. Gov. NickG]

When Obergefell was decided, everyone on the left was openly celebrating an unmitigated victory.

The reaction of Republican politicians and most others on the right could not be more different.
 
Whether they are sincerely anti-abortion or not, Republicans know this is a political catastrophe for their party and they have no idea how to respond except to lash out at some imagined left-wing leaker.

[GP270watch]

God he's such a creep

https://twitter.com/mattgaetz/status/1521797001175834625

 Matt Gaetz pays for sex, WTF is he on about?

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

When Obergefell was decided, everyone on the left was openly celebrating an unmitigated victory.

The reaction of Republican politicians and most others on the right could not be more different.

Whether they are sincerely anti-abortion or not, Republicans know this is a political catastrophe for their party and they have no idea how to respond except to lash out at some imagined left-wing leaker.

Yeah it's important to ask how the reaction would be to a leak of the Obergefell decision.... you'd see some tsking and attacks on the leaker but the reaction from liberals would just be celebratory. At most I think a liberal might be like 80% happy/20% upset about the leak. The fact that conservatives aren't celebrating by and large and just focusing on the leak IS telling.

[All Along The Watchtower]

Love to have abortion rights struck down because, and this is a direct quote from Alito’s draft, “we must own the libs.”

[OSR stands with Israel]

[Schiff for Senate]

https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1521673584116178944?cxt=HHwWgIC51YCEiZ4qAAAA

This is a good sign for democrats. They know they’re gonna get rocked if they overturn it. Let’s hope we can actually do something with it

This. As NickG said elsewhere, this will especially be relevant in WI/MI/AZ, where if Roe was overturned, already-existing laws would immediately pass severe restrictions on abortion. I'm actually hoping now that Roe gets overturned if it means it helps Democrats hold the Senate (and hopefully expand their majority to 51-49). This needs to be an issue, and hopefully it'll be one that causes turbocharged Democratic turnout. Though they should learn from Udall and McAuliffe and not run single-issue campaigns, either, because that could end up backfiring.

[Person Man]

https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1521673584116178944?cxt=HHwWgIC51YCEiZ4qAAAA

This is a good sign for democrats. They know they’re gonna get rocked if they overturn it. Let’s hope we can actually do something with it

This. As NickG said elsewhere, this will especially be relevant in WI/MI/AZ, where if Roe was overturned, already-existing laws would immediately pass severe restrictions on abortion. I'm actually hoping now that Roe gets overturned if it means it helps Democrats hold the Senate (and hopefully expand their majority to 51-49). This needs to be an issue, and hopefully it'll be one that causes turbocharged Democratic turnout. Though they should learn from Udall and McAuliffe and not run single-issue campaigns, either, because that could end up backfiring.

It's simple. Treat the Republicans as incumbents.

I guess the one good thing is that Arizona has a referendum system and in Michigan, Whitmer is very likely to get a restraining order against the trigger law there.

[DaleCooper]

Lol, the Young Turks Network is one of the worst "news" outlets in American history.

[GP270watch]

Love to have abortion rights struck down because, and this is a direct quote from Alito’s draft, “we must own the libs.”

 I tried reading some of Alito's leaked opinion but it's bad, it's embarrassing he's a Supreme Court justice.

[7,052,770]

Is there any information or speculation on how Harriet Myers would have voted on this? Wasn't there speculation that she might be fairly moderate?

[Schiff for Senate]

https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1521673584116178944?cxt=HHwWgIC51YCEiZ4qAAAA

This is a good sign for democrats. They know they’re gonna get rocked if they overturn it. Let’s hope we can actually do something with it

This. As NickG said elsewhere, this will especially be relevant in WI/MI/AZ, where if Roe was overturned, already-existing laws would immediately pass severe restrictions on abortion. I'm actually hoping now that Roe gets overturned if it means it helps Democrats hold the Senate (and hopefully expand their majority to 51-49). This needs to be an issue, and hopefully it'll be one that causes turbocharged Democratic turnout. Though they should learn from Udall and McAuliffe and not run single-issue campaigns, either, because that could end up backfiring.

It's simple. Treat the Republicans as incumbents.

I guess the one good thing is that Arizona has a referendum system and in Michigan, Whitmer is very likely to get a restraining order against the trigger law there.

MI's situation is great, it makes it very clear to pro-choicers that Whitmer and the Democrats in state government are the only reason that an 'abortion ban' (that's what Democrats should call it for best results) has not yet been passed. Obviously pro-lifer, realizing that if they manage to win the governorship they'll be able to implement the 'abortin ban,' would also be more motivated to vote, but in another thread Adam Griffin showed that in MI, people who think abortion should be legal in all or most cases comfortably outnumber those who think it shouldn't. If this is framed as an 'abortion ban,' I imagine the former group would have turbocharged turnout as would the latter, smaller group, but since the former group is larger, it benefits the Democrats. In MI, it might make sense to make abortion a central issue of the campaign - basically frame it as 'if Democrats win women can get abortions, but if Republicans win they can't.' It will benefit them immensely.

[SWE]

This is a 30 page thread where maybe 5% of the posts actually reference the issue at hand.

The justices of the supreme court were tasked not with giving their opinion on abortion, not with trying one way or another with influence abortion policy in this country.

They were tasked with answering one question: does the united states constitution as it is currently written provide for a right to an abortion?

5 justices said no, the constitution does no such thing.

For what its worth, there is *NOT* an insignificant number of left wing legal scholars who are staunchly pro choice who at the same time believe roe was incorrectly decided. Laurence tribe up until a few years ago fell into this camp.


 

I hate when things happen and people discuss the implication of those things happening. Every reply to every news story should just be summarizing what the news story says

[Ferguson97]

Wow, The Young Turks are dissatisfied with the Democratic Party? This is a game-changer.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Wow, The Young Turks are dissatisfied with the Democratic Party? This is a game-changer.

They have basically told people to vote democratic in the general elections before but this time Ana is basically saying she has given up on congress and Cenk is asking them to stop donating .

[Ferguson97]

Wow, The Young Turks are dissatisfied with the Democratic Party? This is a game-changer.

They have basically told people to vote democratic in the general elections before but this time Ana is basically saying she has given up on congress and Cenk is asking them to stop donating .

You massively overstate their influence.

[100% pro-life no matter what]

When Obergefell was decided, everyone on the left was openly celebrating an unmitigated victory.

The reaction of Republican politicians and most others on the right could not be more different.

Whether they are sincerely anti-abortion or not, Republicans know this is a political catastrophe for their party and they have no idea how to respond except to lash out at some imagined left-wing leaker.

Yeah it's important to ask how the reaction would be to a leak of the Obergefell decision.... you'd see some tsking and attacks on the leaker but the reaction from liberals would just be celebratory. At most I think a liberal might be like 80% happy/20% upset about the leak. The fact that conservatives aren't celebrating by and large and just focusing on the leak IS telling.

There are plenty of conservatives who are overjoyed right now, but there's also an element of people worried that the ruling might be "too good to be true".  So, I think a lot of people are holding their breath waiting to see that it actually looks like this.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Wow, The Young Turks are dissatisfied with the Democratic Party? This is a game-changer.

They have basically told people to vote democratic in the general elections before but this time Ana is basically saying she has given up on congress and Cenk is asking them to stop donating .

Cenk ran for Congress twice and got 5.9% in one and 6.6% in the other. That doesn't sound like a powerhouse of influence. Probably about slightly more than that guy bronz keeps raving about.

[Del Tachi]

When Obergefell was decided, everyone on the left was openly celebrating an unmitigated victory.

The reaction of Republican politicians and most others on the right could not be more different.

Whether they are sincerely anti-abortion or not, Republicans know this is a political catastrophe for their party and they have no idea how to respond except to lash out at some imagined left-wing leaker.

Yeah it's important to ask how the reaction would be to a leak of the Obergefell decision.... you'd see some tsking and attacks on the leaker but the reaction from liberals would just be celebratory. At most I think a liberal might be like 80% happy/20% upset about the leak. The fact that conservatives aren't celebrating by and large and just focusing on the leak IS telling.

because this isn't a real opinion? 

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

When Obergefell was decided, everyone on the left was openly celebrating an unmitigated victory.

The reaction of Republican politicians and most others on the right could not be more different.

Whether they are sincerely anti-abortion or not, Republicans know this is a political catastrophe for their party and they have no idea how to respond except to lash out at some imagined left-wing leaker.

Yeah it's important to ask how the reaction would be to a leak of the Obergefell decision.... you'd see some tsking and attacks on the leaker but the reaction from liberals would just be celebratory. At most I think a liberal might be like 80% happy/20% upset about the leak. The fact that conservatives aren't celebrating by and large and just focusing on the leak IS telling.

because this isn't a real opinion? 

Roberts confirmed it's genuine. It may not be the final opinion but it's not "fake".

[Del Tachi]

When Obergefell was decided, everyone on the left was openly celebrating an unmitigated victory.

The reaction of Republican politicians and most others on the right could not be more different.

Whether they are sincerely anti-abortion or not, Republicans know this is a political catastrophe for their party and they have no idea how to respond except to lash out at some imagined left-wing leaker.

Yeah it's important to ask how the reaction would be to a leak of the Obergefell decision.... you'd see some tsking and attacks on the leaker but the reaction from liberals would just be celebratory. At most I think a liberal might be like 80% happy/20% upset about the leak. The fact that conservatives aren't celebrating by and large and just focusing on the leak IS telling.

because this isn't a real opinion? 

Roberts confirmed it's genuine. It may not be the final opinion but it's not "fake".

That's not what I said.  It is not unknown for Alito/Thomas to author cranky concurrences in 6-3 split decisions, which is what this opinion is likely to become.  That it was dated from February shows that it's a very early, rough draft that will likely be nowhere near the majority opinion in this case.   

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

THIS DOESN'T HELP, PLEASE SHUT THE F[INKS] UP WITH THIS TYPE OF LANGUAGE AT A TIME LIKE THIS

https://twitter.com/StateRepHong/status/1521298873859334145

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

THIS DOESN'T HELP, PLEASE SHUT THE F[INKS] UP WITH THIS TYPE OF LANGUAGE AT A TIME LIKE THIS

https://twitter.com/StateRepHong/status/1521298873859334145

Left-leaning people on Twitter can be among the most out of touch people in this country on some issues.