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« Reply #900 on: August 12, 2022, 09:36:18 AM »



The media was famously silent on the issue of Hillary's emails
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« Reply #901 on: August 12, 2022, 09:43:22 AM »

As I recall there were only 3 e-mails that were actually classified and 2 of them shouldn't have been anymore.
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« Reply #902 on: August 12, 2022, 09:53:18 AM »

Nothing official has happened with that 3pm deadline set for today, right? Or am I late to the party again as usual?

3pm deadline. Trump said he won't object, but his lawyers could obviously object and he could claim he had no say in the matter, sort of like he did with his tax returns. "I wanted to release them but my lawyers told me I can't!"
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« Reply #903 on: August 12, 2022, 09:56:08 AM »

Nothing official has happened with that 3pm deadline set for today, right? Or am I late to the party again as usual?

3pm deadline. Trump said he won't object, but his lawyers could obviously object and he could claim he had no say in the matter, sort of like he did with his tax returns. "I wanted to release them but my lawyers told me I can't!"

...actually that's not a terrible strategy PR-wise.  I can't believe I'm saying that. 
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« Reply #904 on: August 12, 2022, 10:06:36 AM »

Nothing official has happened with that 3pm deadline set for today, right? Or am I late to the party again as usual?

3pm deadline. Trump said he won't object, but his lawyers could obviously object and he could claim he had no say in the matter, sort of like he did with his tax returns. "I wanted to release them but my lawyers told me I can't!"

...actually that's not a terrible strategy PR-wise.  I can't believe I'm saying that. 

But, importantly, it's a terrible strategy in court.
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« Reply #905 on: August 12, 2022, 10:15:00 AM »

Nothing official has happened with that 3pm deadline set for today, right? Or am I late to the party again as usual?

3pm deadline. Trump said he won't object, but his lawyers could obviously object and he could claim he had no say in the matter, sort of like he did with his tax returns. "I wanted to release them but my lawyers told me I can't!"

...actually that's not a terrible strategy PR-wise.  I can't believe I'm saying that. 
With all honesty this line alone describes about 75% of the Trump campaign.
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« Reply #906 on: August 12, 2022, 10:36:35 AM »
« Edited: August 12, 2022, 10:42:59 AM by xavier110 »

What I don't understand is what exactly did Trump expect to do with these documents.
This is why I don't buy this. Why would Trump want to help our advisaries? Doesn't make sense.

He spent four years working to help our adversaries and hurt/alienate our allies! *bangs head against desk*

So many things to consider. We know he doesn’t read, so why have these documents? Clearly he thinks they’re of value.
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« Reply #907 on: August 12, 2022, 10:42:22 AM »



I'd like to actually see this statement to be certain given just how crazy this all is, but I will say that I don't see anything that indicates to me that this is satire or some other form of joke.

If it is real, wow that's a pretty clear indication that Trump 100% had classified nuclear documents.
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« Reply #908 on: August 12, 2022, 10:54:09 AM »

Update, seems legit

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« Reply #909 on: August 12, 2022, 10:55:34 AM »

Both George Will and David Brooks have columns out which can be read as anti-DOJ which is a good sense of where Never Trumpers fall on this issue. Their instinct is to circle the wagons and attack the messenger.
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« Reply #910 on: August 12, 2022, 11:03:44 AM »


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« Reply #911 on: August 12, 2022, 11:05:55 AM »
« Edited: August 12, 2022, 11:09:20 AM by Torie »

More from the NYT: The inventory list is going to be redacted it appears. The affidavit will probably never be released. So something is out there that really got the DOJ and the spooks "spooked."

"But the motion filed by Mr. Garland’s lead lawyer in the matter, Jay Bratt, the Justice Department’s top counterintelligence official, indicates the document might have significant redactions.

'Much will depend on how specific the inventory was: such inventories can be relatively sparse, detailing the part of the federal code potentially violated, or can be more detailed descriptions of the materials retrieved, according to former department officials.

'The most informative and sensitive document, an affidavit detailing the “probable cause” evidence that prompted Judge Reinhart to approve the search, will not be released now, or probably ever, department officials said on Thursday."



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« Reply #912 on: August 12, 2022, 11:08:01 AM »

Man, if George Will and David Brooks are skeptical, that tells me it really probably won't amount to much. Even if it does, executive privilege is a really, really important thing.

The American people gave Trump alot of breathing space when they elected him in 2016.
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« Reply #913 on: August 12, 2022, 11:17:37 AM »

Man, if George Will and David Brooks are skeptical, that tells me it really probably won't amount to much. Even if it does, executive privilege is a really, really important thing.

The American people gave Trump alot of breathing space when they elected him in 2016.

By your logic, that means they took it away when they defeated him in 2020.  But that's all irrelevant.  Popularity does not provide a get-out-of-jail-free card, even if -- or especially if -- the person's fans threaten violence if their idol is indicted/arrested/convicted.

I'll put it to you as a direct question, citizenq: do you think Trump should be above the law? Yes or no.
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« Reply #914 on: August 12, 2022, 11:22:50 AM »

Update, seems legit




We have a serious matter, and the Orange Buffoon plays bigoted, childish games.
Beautiful.
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« Reply #915 on: August 12, 2022, 11:22:59 AM »

Update, seems legit



So he absolutely had documents concerning nuclear weapons, then.
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« Reply #916 on: August 12, 2022, 11:23:50 AM »

Anyone else uncomfortable with his thinly-veiled racism and Islamophobia?
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« Reply #917 on: August 12, 2022, 11:24:26 AM »

Anyone else uncomfortable with his thinly-veiled racism and Islamophobia?

What?
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« Reply #918 on: August 12, 2022, 11:25:54 AM »

Both George Will and David Brooks have columns out which can be read as anti-DOJ which is a good sense of where Never Trumpers fall on this issue. Their instinct is to circle the wagons and attack the messenger.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/11/opinion/fbi-trump-mar-a-lago-raid.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/08/11/merrick-garland-explain-mar-a-lago-search/

The above are the links to the two opinion pieces. Both are behind paywalls, and I only pay for the NYT. Brooks is most definitely not in the tank for Trump. He is just worried that it will reanimate Trump. George Will I cannot access behind the WAPO paywall,  but he says in his headline that Garland needs to show his hand.

Both articles are from yesterday and thus stale, since Garland did his thing (so check Will off the list), and we know that highly sensitive documents were in play threatening the national security. Presumably a further explanation will be made as to why the documents were not turned over pursuant to the subpoena and what led the DOJ to believe that Trump was stonewalling, and thus the need for surprise ala a search warrant.

If after all of that, Trump is in fact reanimated, then the point is not that Brooks is an enabler, it is that the half the American electorate is one sick puppy, which is Brooks’s point.

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« Reply #919 on: August 12, 2022, 11:26:44 AM »

I don’t see racism in the statement actually, it’s the interpretation some will have that is racist so I guess you could call it more of a dog whistle if you want.
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« Reply #920 on: August 12, 2022, 11:27:24 AM »



You think Trump using Obama's middle name was for some benign reason?
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« Reply #921 on: August 12, 2022, 11:29:00 AM »

What is with this dude's obsession with the number 33?
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« Reply #922 on: August 12, 2022, 11:29:29 AM »

I don’t see racism in the statement actually, it’s the interpretation some will have that is racist so I guess you could call it more of a dog whistle if you want.

It is dog whistling, but this is nothing new with him. He’s just very predictably going to lie about how he can’t release it, and will claim it’s planted.
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« Reply #923 on: August 12, 2022, 11:31:05 AM »



You think Trump using Obama's middle name was for some benign reason?

I guess but I wouldn’t call that bigoted . It’s an irrelevant matter though cause the “other guy did it too “ is a horrific defense
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« Reply #924 on: August 12, 2022, 11:42:40 AM »

FoxNews is going full crazy mode like they did before January 6, 2021. Then when something happens they'll be the first saying they didn't fan the flames and it's a stretch to talk about their responsibility in inciting violence.

 So very predictably that happened.
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