FBI search warrant executed at Mar-a-Lago (Update: Trump Indicted!)

[Del Tachi]

There is a reason the NYT is number one:

"The search warrant for Trump’s residence cited three criminal laws, all from Title 18 of the United States Code. Section 793, better known as the Espionage Act, which covers the unlawful retention of defense-related information that could harm the United States or aid a foreign adversary; Section 1519, which covers destroying or concealing documents to obstruct government investigations or administrative proceedings; and Section 2071, which covers the unlawful removal of government records. Notably, none of those laws turn on whether information was deemed to be unclassified."

Twitter user @KDbyProxy (wonderful follow btw, whip smart, especially wrt this sort of thing) caught this yesterday. Here's the relevant tweet:

https://twitter.com/KDbyProxy/status/1557872185959751681

This seems like a stretch.

They're going to put Trump in jail for ten years for possessing unclassified documents?  That doesn't pass the smell test

I mean, they weren’t unclassified, for one. They were top secret in some cases.

Still seems like a novel application of the Espionage Act when we have a separate law that explicitly deals with presidential records

[LBJer]

There is a reason the NYT is number one:

"The search warrant for Trump’s residence cited three criminal laws, all from Title 18 of the United States Code. Section 793, better known as the Espionage Act, which covers the unlawful retention of defense-related information that could harm the United States or aid a foreign adversary; Section 1519, which covers destroying or concealing documents to obstruct government investigations or administrative proceedings; and Section 2071, which covers the unlawful removal of government records. Notably, none of those laws turn on whether information was deemed to be unclassified."

Twitter user @KDbyProxy (wonderful follow btw, whip smart, especially wrt this sort of thing) caught this yesterday. Here's the relevant tweet:

https://twitter.com/KDbyProxy/status/1557872185959751681

This seems like a stretch.

They're going to put Trump in jail for ten years for possessing unclassified documents?  That doesn't pass the smell test

I mean, they weren’t unclassified, for one. They were top secret in some cases.

Still seems like a novel application of the Espionage Act when we have a separate law that explicitly deals with presidential records

Dream on. 

[Ferguson97]

Finding an unbiased jury would certainly be a challenge.

Some eligible contenders:

• People who recently woke up from a 7+ year coma
• The passengers and crew of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, provided they suddenly return to the present ala NBC's Manifest
• Women who have recently broke free of their captor's basements after being their for 7+ years
• Time-travelers from the distant past
• 30-year-olds who have the brains of their 13-year-old selves after wishing on a doll house covered in fairy dust during their 13th birthday

[MasterJedi]

Let’s be honest, most Trump voters won’t care. They’d let him do whatever he wants and support him if he raped a 5 year old on TV. The people we need to care about are the fringe Biden voters who waffle because they have the memory of a goldfish.

[JohnCA246]

Yeah the jury selection will be very hard. Will voting in past election be disqualification?

[GeorgiaModerate]

There is a reason the NYT is number one:

"The search warrant for Trump’s residence cited three criminal laws, all from Title 18 of the United States Code. Section 793, better known as the Espionage Act, which covers the unlawful retention of defense-related information that could harm the United States or aid a foreign adversary; Section 1519, which covers destroying or concealing documents to obstruct government investigations or administrative proceedings; and Section 2071, which covers the unlawful removal of government records. Notably, none of those laws turn on whether information was deemed to be unclassified."

Twitter user @KDbyProxy (wonderful follow btw, whip smart, especially wrt this sort of thing) caught this yesterday. Here's the relevant tweet:

https://twitter.com/KDbyProxy/status/1557872185959751681

This seems like a stretch.

They're going to put Trump in jail for ten years for possessing unclassified documents?  That doesn't pass the smell test

I mean, they weren’t unclassified, for one. They were top secret in some cases.

Still seems like a novel application of the Espionage Act when we have a separate law that explicitly deals with presidential records

I think bringing up the fact that it applies to unclassified docs is a response to potential claims by Trump that he declassifed them.  As cited earlier, the 2nd CA determined that the President simply saying that something is declassified (as Trump did a few times during his term) does not make it so, unless the actual declassification process was followed through. 

If the documents retrieved from MAL didn't have declassification markings on them, they were still classified.  Trump is, of course, free to argue otherwise at trial.

[President Johnson]

https://twitter.com/oneunderscore__/status/1558187290555457538

Honestly, this is exactly what I expected. In this case, I hate being proven correct. I just hope these FBI Agents and their families are safe.

[Del Tachi]

There is a reason the NYT is number one:

"The search warrant for Trump’s residence cited three criminal laws, all from Title 18 of the United States Code. Section 793, better known as the Espionage Act, which covers the unlawful retention of defense-related information that could harm the United States or aid a foreign adversary; Section 1519, which covers destroying or concealing documents to obstruct government investigations or administrative proceedings; and Section 2071, which covers the unlawful removal of government records. Notably, none of those laws turn on whether information was deemed to be unclassified."

Twitter user @KDbyProxy (wonderful follow btw, whip smart, especially wrt this sort of thing) caught this yesterday. Here's the relevant tweet:

https://twitter.com/KDbyProxy/status/1557872185959751681

This seems like a stretch.

They're going to put Trump in jail for ten years for possessing unclassified documents?  That doesn't pass the smell test

I mean, they weren’t unclassified, for one. They were top secret in some cases.

Still seems like a novel application of the Espionage Act when we have a separate law that explicitly deals with presidential records

I think bringing up the fact that it applies to unclassified docs is a response to potential claims by Trump that he declassifed them.  As cited earlier, the 2nd CA determined that the President simply saying that something is declassified (as Trump did a few times during his term) does not make it so, unless the actual declassification process was followed through. 

Sounds like something SCOTUS would like to rule on! haha

[Gass3268]

https://twitter.com/danpfeiffer/status/1558164557633396736?s=21&t=MXAHKbnBMS...

[ProgressiveModerate]

There is a reason the NYT is number one:

"The search warrant for Trump’s residence cited three criminal laws, all from Title 18 of the United States Code. Section 793, better known as the Espionage Act, which covers the unlawful retention of defense-related information that could harm the United States or aid a foreign adversary; Section 1519, which covers destroying or concealing documents to obstruct government investigations or administrative proceedings; and Section 2071, which covers the unlawful removal of government records. Notably, none of those laws turn on whether information was deemed to be unclassified."

Twitter user @KDbyProxy (wonderful follow btw, whip smart, especially wrt this sort of thing) caught this yesterday. Here's the relevant tweet:

https://twitter.com/KDbyProxy/status/1557872185959751681

This seems like a stretch.

They're going to put Trump in jail for ten years for possessing unclassified documents?  That doesn't pass the smell test

Ironically I think Trump himself signed a law that would increase sentences for mishandling of government/classified documents

[OSR stands with Israel]

https://twitter.com/oneunderscore__/status/1558187290555457538

Disgusting but it’s also stunning  how they don’t understand Pinochet was literally the Chilean version of the “deep state” overthrowing a populist leader .

[LBJer]

There is a reason the NYT is number one:

"The search warrant for Trump’s residence cited three criminal laws, all from Title 18 of the United States Code. Section 793, better known as the Espionage Act, which covers the unlawful retention of defense-related information that could harm the United States or aid a foreign adversary; Section 1519, which covers destroying or concealing documents to obstruct government investigations or administrative proceedings; and Section 2071, which covers the unlawful removal of government records. Notably, none of those laws turn on whether information was deemed to be unclassified."

Twitter user @KDbyProxy (wonderful follow btw, whip smart, especially wrt this sort of thing) caught this yesterday. Here's the relevant tweet:

https://twitter.com/KDbyProxy/status/1557872185959751681

This seems like a stretch.

They're going to put Trump in jail for ten years for possessing unclassified documents?  That doesn't pass the smell test

If the documents are sensitive enough, it's not gonna matter to a court whether Trump says they were declassified or not. 

[Kahane's Grave Is A Gender-Neutral Bathroom]

https://twitter.com/oneunderscore__/status/1558187290555457538

Disgusting but it’s also stunning  how they don’t understand Pinochet was literally the Chilean version of the “deep state” overthrowing a populist leader .

I mean these people are on a Trump forum.

[Dereich]

https://twitter.com/oneunderscore__/status/1558187290555457538

Disgusting but it’s also stunning  how they don’t understand Pinochet was literally the Chilean version of the “deep state” overthrowing a populist leader.

When it comes down to it those people don't care about the deep state or the principles of how he got to where he was; Pinochet was getting rid of the "right people" and therefore he's good. Outcomes are all that matters.

[SteveRogers]

https://twitter.com/danpfeiffer/status/1558164557633396736?s=21&t=MXAHKbnBMS...

By next week we will have arrived at, “Actually here’s 10 reasons why it’s great that Trump wanted to sell our nuclear secrets to Saudi Arabia…”

[Joe Republic]

By next week we will have arrived at, “Actually here’s 10 reasons why it’s great that Trump wanted to sell our nuclear secrets to Saudi Arabia…”

Also next week: "There's no evidence that the guy who just broke into Judge Bruce Reinhart's home and shot him is a Trump supporter.  Just because he was at the Capitol on January 6th means nothing - he could have been Antifa or an FBI plant."

[GeorgiaModerate]

https://twitter.com/juliegraceb/status/1558201612694331392

This will of course go nowhere, but it will be interesting to see who signs on to it.

[Middle-aged Europe]

https://twitter.com/juliegraceb/status/1558201612694331392

This will of course go nowhere, but it will be interesting to see who signs on to it.

Impeach MTG.

[ProudModerate2]

https://twitter.com/juliegraceb/status/1558201612694331392

This will of course go nowhere, but it will be interesting to see who signs on to it.

LMAO.
She is such a clown. And many in the GOP love this pathetic excuse of human being.

[soundchaser]

https://twitter.com/juliegraceb/status/1558201612694331392

This will of course go nowhere, but it will be interesting to see who signs on to it.

The articles posted in the reply are...something.

[T'Chenka]

https://twitter.com/juliegraceb/status/1558201612694331392

This will of course go nowhere, but it will be interesting to see who signs on to it.

Imagine if Biden was doing things as bad and illegal as Trump, and the Squad was introducing articles of impeachment onto everybody who was trying to hold Biden accountable. Imagine how Greene, Gaetz, Boebert, Tucker Carlson, Ben Shapiro, Crowder, etc would react.

[MiddleRoad]

https://twitter.com/juliegraceb/status/1558201612694331392
This will of course go nowhere, but it will be interesting to see who signs on to it.

Impeach MTG.

Imagine if by a domino effect members of Congress start impeaching each other in an utterly partisan fashion? IE MTG votes to impeach Garland; someone votes to impeach MTG; till it gets to the point where Pelosi and McConnell try to impeach each other, leading absolutely nothing to be done in Congress.

[T'Chenka]

https://twitter.com/juliegraceb/status/1558201612694331392
This will of course go nowhere, but it will be interesting to see who signs on to it.

Impeach MTG.

Imagine if by a domino effect members of Congress start impeaching each other in an utterly partisan fashion? IE MTG votes to impeach Garland; someone votes to impeach MTG; till it gets to the point where Pelosi and McConnell try to impeach each other, leading absolutely nothing to be done in Congress.

Most Democrats aren't clown-ish enough to do something like that.

[MiddleRoad]

https://twitter.com/juliegraceb/status/1558201612694331392
This will of course go nowhere, but it will be interesting to see who signs on to it.

Impeach MTG.

Imagine if by a domino effect members of Congress start impeaching each other in an utterly partisan fashion? IE MTG votes to impeach Garland; someone votes to impeach MTG; till it gets to the point where Pelosi and McConnell try to impeach each other, leading absolutely nothing to be done in Congress.

Most Democrats aren't clown-ish enough to do something like that.

Oh, I think you overestimate the Dems as well. Both parties are clown cars. The coming years are going to see a historic and absurd level of partisan impeachments in both parties.

[Torie]

There is a reason the NYT is number one:

"The search warrant for Trump’s residence cited three criminal laws, all from Title 18 of the United States Code. Section 793, better known as the Espionage Act, which covers the unlawful retention of defense-related information that could harm the United States or aid a foreign adversary; Section 1519, which covers destroying or concealing documents to obstruct government investigations or administrative proceedings; and Section 2071, which covers the unlawful removal of government records. Notably, none of those laws turn on whether information was deemed to be unclassified."

Twitter user @KDbyProxy (wonderful follow btw, whip smart, especially wrt this sort of thing) caught this yesterday. Here's the relevant tweet:

https://twitter.com/KDbyProxy/status/1557872185959751681

This seems like a stretch.

They're going to put Trump in jail for ten years for possessing unclassified documents?  That doesn't pass the smell test

I mean, they weren’t unclassified, for one. They were top secret in some cases.

Still seems like a novel application of the Espionage Act when we have a separate law that explicitly deals with presidential records

If Trump has docs that one is only supposed to look at in a secure location that put lives at risk, or compromise important operations, his having those documents, and failing to turn them over, is inexcusable period. If Trump claims he declassified such documents, while obviously a lie, if true means that he is akin to a traitor, comfortable with putting lives at risk.
He's done if any documents of that nature were sitting in his safe, or basement. There is no way to explain away this one, and I don't expect to see any but the nuttiest Pubs, go there, to try to spray perfume on this Trump turd.