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« Reply #18250 on: January 15, 2023, 01:57:16 PM »
Locations of Leopard 1 or 2 tanks in Europe
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« Reply #18251 on: January 15, 2023, 02:24:37 PM »

Why does Greece have so many tanks? I mean, I know why, but do they expect them to swim across the Aegean?
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« Reply #18252 on: January 15, 2023, 02:42:46 PM »
Quote from: Estrella on January 15, 2023, 02:24:37 PM

Why does Greece have so many tanks? I mean, I know why, but do they expect them to swim across the Aegean?
Istanbul Constantinople is right there waiting for them
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« Reply #18253 on: January 15, 2023, 02:44:28 PM »
Quote from: American2020 on January 15, 2023, 10:28:48 AM

Oh wow the found 15 bored people on a weekend in New York.
My whole world view is shaken.
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« Reply #18254 on: January 15, 2023, 02:53:40 PM »



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« Reply #18255 on: January 15, 2023, 03:01:47 PM »
Battle of Soledar is over (5 months). The frontlines are now outside of it's borders.
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« Reply #18256 on: January 15, 2023, 03:03:48 PM »
Expect renewed fighting in the south
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« Reply #18257 on: January 15, 2023, 03:24:04 PM »
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/01/15/bakhmut-wagner-battle-strategy/

"Bloody Bakhmut Siege Poses Risks for Ukraine"

Washington Post article has wedged in its beginnings of ideas that perhaps Ukraine might give up Bakhmut.  This is a sign that it is preparing its readers for a possible future fall of Bakhmut

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"They need to have units out of combat that they are equipping and training up for this offensive," said Michael Kofman, a Russian military analyst at Virginia-based CNA. "This is why Bakhmut is a battle that I think was advantageous to Ukraine, but now there are questions about how much the cost of fighting for Bakhmut could impede Ukraine's overall strategy for this winter or spring."
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« Reply #18258 on: January 15, 2023, 05:57:24 PM »
« Edited: January 15, 2023, 06:53:35 PM by Storr »




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« Reply #18259 on: January 15, 2023, 06:08:24 PM »
« Edited: January 15, 2023, 06:32:47 PM by Storr »


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« Reply #18260 on: January 15, 2023, 10:03:20 PM »


Some good progress in the Svatove and Kreminna line that got buried in the Bakmut and tank news
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« Reply #18261 on: January 16, 2023, 03:06:24 AM »
It's good to see human-induced climate change (if that's what this is) working in our favor, at least in this instance:
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« Reply #18262 on: January 16, 2023, 07:34:39 AM »

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« Reply #18263 on: January 16, 2023, 08:15:54 AM »
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"Ordinary Russians are anxious about the war, but they are also unwilling to tolerate defeat"
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« Reply #18264 on: January 16, 2023, 10:20:42 AM »
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This wouldn't go well again (for Putler).
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« Reply #18265 on: January 16, 2023, 11:58:58 AM »
It would indeed be amusing if Ukraine makes a significant breakthrough elsewhere in Donbass due to Russia amassing so much of its focus and resources on Bakhmut, and stranger things have happened.
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« Reply #18266 on: January 16, 2023, 12:08:18 PM »

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« Reply #18267 on: January 16, 2023, 12:10:36 PM »
Quote from: CumbrianLefty on January 16, 2023, 11:58:58 AM
It would indeed be amusing if Ukraine makes a significant breakthrough elsewhere in Donbass due to Russia amassing so much of its focus and resources on Bakhmut, and stranger things have happened.
Most of the forces taking the brunt and assaulting Bakhmut/Soledar are Wagner guys.. with some elements of the VDV.
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« Reply #18268 on: January 16, 2023, 12:13:47 PM »
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« Reply #18269 on: January 16, 2023, 01:22:42 PM »
German foreign minister essentially calls for Putin being trialed by an international court.

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« Reply #18270 on: January 16, 2023, 02:22:18 PM »
« Edited: January 16, 2023, 02:26:08 PM by SirWoodbury »
Uncertain status on Klishchiivka. The settlement itself is under Wagner control or abandoned by UA at this point, but the fortifications on the high ground to it's north/west might still be under AFU, giving them some fire control over the settlement.
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« Reply #18271 on: January 16, 2023, 02:34:23 PM »
« Edited: January 16, 2023, 02:40:30 PM by Logical »
Just when you think Russians couldn't stoop lower, they allow a serial rapist and killer to pitch himself to Wagner.
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« Reply #18272 on: January 16, 2023, 02:47:55 PM »
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« Reply #18273 on: January 16, 2023, 02:57:42 PM »
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That looks like...30 people?

And lol at pretending that PSL represents "the people." It's maybe 10-20k weird Communist cultists.
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« Reply #18274 on: January 16, 2023, 03:08:14 PM »
This really feels like June/July, with Russia making small incremental gains at giant cost, except these gains are far less significant than the fall of Sieverodonetsk and Lysychansk. The Russians have been "on the verge of" capturing Bakhmut for half a year now. It may actually happen soon-ish (as in two-three weeks). Was Bakhmut remotely worth the insane losses Russia and the Wagner Group paid for it? There's barely a Bakhmut left now.

Anyway, we probably won't see another big Ukrainian push for another 3-4 months (big as in distinguished from crawling towards Svatove and Kreminna). And waiting can be demoralizing for Ukraine's supporters, but remember that offensives are way more costly than defensive warfare and the massive bleeding of Russian forces back in June/July allowed the success of the August/September Kharkiv offensive. Same's true here. When Ukraine goes for a big Zaporozhzhia offensive in April or May it'll have been made possible by this period of grinding attrition.
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