Russia-Ukraine war and related tensions Megathread

[Hindsight was 2020]

https://mobile.twitter.com/WarMonitor3/status/1608457170990895107
https://mobile.twitter.com/IuliiaMendel/status/1608412814108168193
Kreminna recapture seems to be coming soon. Once Ukraine gets it back then Russian positions in Svatove, Lysychansk, and Sievierodonetsk will be compromised. An once those areas get recaptured due to the favorable position Ukraine will have then Russian supply lines will be completely screwed as they rely on suppling their entire frontline via that railroad system that runs out of Svatove.

[Torie]

Known as "Señor Sausage" and "The Sausage King", sausage magnate and Russian politican Pavel Antov fell from an indian Hotel's Terrace and died on the weekend.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-12-29/indian-police-investigate-russian-oligarch-death/101815414

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64101437



Antov had set up the Vladimir Standard company in the 2000s and became a well-regarded lawmaker in the city of Vladimir

This follows two other senior Russian oligarchs and politician's who have also fallen from windows recently.

"Oligarch and chairman of Russian oil company Lukoil, Ravil Maganov, died in September after falling from a hospital window in Moscow, according to Reuters. "

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62750584

https://thehill.com/opinion/national-security/3790535-murder-putin-wrote/

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

https://twitter.com/ukraine_map/status/1608392592412000256?t=6Prm6mt0LGoEoPaornm...

[Omega21]

https://twitter.com/ukraine_map/status/1608392592412000256?t=6Prm6mt0LGoEoPaornm...

At least one of those was "successfully intercepted" by some energy infrastructure.

Gentle reminder that all sides in any conflict partake in PsyOps and produce moral boosting fake info.

"Government man said so" is not a reliable source, regardless of which side is making the claim.

https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1608399170993360897

https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1608399286881894404

[TiltsAreUnderrated]

https://twitter.com/ukraine_map/status/1608392592412000256?t=6Prm6mt0LGoEoPaornm...

At least one of those was "successfully intercepted" by some energy infrastructure.

Gentle reminder that all sides in any conflict partake in PsyOps and produce moral boosting fake info.

"Government man said so" is not a reliable source, regardless of which side is making the claim.

https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1608399170993360897
https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1608399286881894404

You're probably correct, but for the past couple of months, Ukrainian cities facing missile strikes have, in many cases, pre-emptively restricted or turned off power supplies. If the outrage remains in Kyiv for a long time, then that'll be solid evidence that the interception claim was a lie, but I wouldn't yet rule out it being true in this specific case.

[Meclazine for Israel]

https://thehill.com/opinion/national-security/3790535-murder-putin-wrote/

Looks like he should have minded his own sausage.

[jaichind]

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/blackrock-ceo-larry-fink-ukraine-president-zelensky-investments-184938062.html

"BlackRock to advise Zelensky on investments aimed to rebuild Ukraine"

I got to give BlackRock credit on how to sniff out a profit-making opportunity. 

[Hindsight was 2020]

https://mobile.twitter.com/TheStudyofWar/status/1608303510117810177
ISW has seen enough. Russia has lost the battle of Bakmut. Woodbury is in shambles

[Meclazine for Israel]

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/blackrock-ceo-larry-fink-ukraine-president-zelensky-investments-184938062.html

"BlackRock to advise Zelensky on investments aimed to rebuild Ukraine"

I got to give BlackRock credit on how to sniff out a profit-making opportunity. 

Not a dumb idea.

There is an Australian iron ore magnate, Andrew Forrest, who has already met Zelensky and promised to help rebuild Ukraine.

Business is business and these guys can see that Ukraine will need a lot of help to get their infrastructure back up and running.

I think it's a genuine sign of support.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

"ThE aZoV bATtAlLiOn ArE nAZiS!!!!111!!11!!!!1!!!"

https://twitter.com/Tendar/status/1608457528819564546?t=xv2bnxKHXlJ913tjlVWOFQ&a...

[No War, but the War on Christmas]

"ThE aZoV bATtAlLiOn ArE nAZiS!!!!111!!11!!!!1!!!"

https://twitter.com/Tendar/status/1608457528819564546?t=xv2bnxKHXlJ913tjlVWOFQ&a...

More Azov propaganda, lmao. And Nick Fuentes pals around with Ye after calling all black people sub-human and much worse... There really isn't any way to argue that Azov doesn't have significant Nazi influences, one of their main emblems until 2015 literally had a BLACK SUN in it. Smh.

I'll say it again, I support Ukraine but Azov can rot. When they fight Russians it's just two fascists duking it out... Which gets a thumbs up from me. The more dead fashies and fashy sympathizers... The better.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

"ThE aZoV bATtAlLiOn ArE nAZiS!!!!111!!11!!!!1!!!"

https://twitter.com/Tendar/status/1608457528819564546?t=xv2bnxKHXlJ913tjlVWOFQ&a...

More Azov propaganda, lmao. And Nick Fuentes pals around with Ye after calling all black people sub-human and much worse... There really isn't any way to argue that Azov doesn't have significant Nazi influences, one of their main emblems until 2015 literally had a BLACK SUN in it. Smh.

I'll say it again, I support Ukraine but Azov can rot. When they fight Russians it's just two fascists duking it out... Which gets a thumbs up from me.

"Until 2015"...they were then just integrated into the Ukrainian army. If you think every single last Azov fighter is a Nazi then you're buying into Russian propaganda parroted by useful idiot pieces of sh!t like that absolutely f[inks]ing moronic dumbass Lee Carter.

[No War, but the War on Christmas]

"ThE aZoV bATtAlLiOn ArE nAZiS!!!!111!!11!!!!1!!!"

https://twitter.com/Tendar/status/1608457528819564546?t=xv2bnxKHXlJ913tjlVWOFQ&a...

More Azov propaganda, lmao. And Nick Fuentes pals around with Ye after calling all black people sub-human and much worse... There really isn't any way to argue that Azov doesn't have significant Nazi influences, one of their main emblems until 2015 literally had a BLACK SUN in it. Smh.

I'll say it again, I support Ukraine but Azov can rot. When they fight Russians it's just two fascists duking it out... Which gets a thumbs up from me.

"Until 2015"...they were then just integrated into the Ukrainian army. If you think every single last Azov fighter is a Nazi then you're buying into Russian propaganda parroted by useful idiot pieces of sh!t like that absolutely f[inks]ing moronic dumbass Lee Carter.

I said this when? And I don't know how 'Oh, they only marched under nazi flags until they joined the army and probably were forced to drop those symbols!' is a winning argument. It's very possible that many non-nazi's have joined Azov with the movement becoming more widespread but that doesn't mean that it isn't a fact that the roots of the movement, and many of its founding leaders, are indeed in far-right and fascist symbology and circles.

There is zero way to redeem a movement like that. Nope. Not in my eyes any way. Especially not when even to this day they STILL march under a Wolfsangel. Lmao get out of here with this 'Azov redeemed' narrative.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

"ThE aZoV bATtAlLiOn ArE nAZiS!!!!111!!11!!!!1!!!"

https://twitter.com/Tendar/status/1608457528819564546?t=xv2bnxKHXlJ913tjlVWOFQ&a...

More Azov propaganda, lmao. And Nick Fuentes pals around with Ye after calling all black people sub-human and much worse... There really isn't any way to argue that Azov doesn't have significant Nazi influences, one of their main emblems until 2015 literally had a BLACK SUN in it. Smh.

I'll say it again, I support Ukraine but Azov can rot. When they fight Russians it's just two fascists duking it out... Which gets a thumbs up from me.

"Until 2015"...they were then just integrated into the Ukrainian army. If you think every single last Azov fighter is a Nazi then you're buying into Russian propaganda parroted by useful idiot pieces of sh!t like that absolutely f[inks]ing moronic dumbass Lee Carter.

I said this when? And I don't know how 'Oh, they only marched under nazi flags until they joined the army and probably were forced to drop those symbols!' is a winning argument. It's very possible that many non-nazi's have joined Azov with the movement becoming more widespread but that doesn't mean that it isn't a fact that the roots of the movement, and many of its founding leaders, are indeed in far-right and fascist symbology and circles.

There is zero way to redeem a movement like that. Nope. Not in my eyes any way. Especially not when even to this day they STILL march under a Wolfsangel. Lmao get out of here with this 'Azov redeemed' narrative.

So you think the non-Nazis in Azov are all terrible people who deserve to be killed by the Russians? You've implied you've wanted ALL of Azov fighters killed. But of course you also think Kyle Rittenhouse drove "hundreds of miles" to Kenosha (he's obviously a horrible person and is even worse now but that's irrelevant to the factuality of distance) and that Delta-8 is "THC that's been chemically altered" which is not even a REMOTELY accurate description of it from a chemistry standpoint.

[No War, but the War on Christmas]

"ThE aZoV bATtAlLiOn ArE nAZiS!!!!111!!11!!!!1!!!"

https://twitter.com/Tendar/status/1608457528819564546?t=xv2bnxKHXlJ913tjlVWOFQ&a...

More Azov propaganda, lmao. And Nick Fuentes pals around with Ye after calling all black people sub-human and much worse... There really isn't any way to argue that Azov doesn't have significant Nazi influences, one of their main emblems until 2015 literally had a BLACK SUN in it. Smh.

I'll say it again, I support Ukraine but Azov can rot. When they fight Russians it's just two fascists duking it out... Which gets a thumbs up from me.

"Until 2015"...they were then just integrated into the Ukrainian army. If you think every single last Azov fighter is a Nazi then you're buying into Russian propaganda parroted by useful idiot pieces of sh!t like that absolutely f[inks]ing moronic dumbass Lee Carter.

I said this when? And I don't know how 'Oh, they only marched under nazi flags until they joined the army and probably were forced to drop those symbols!' is a winning argument. It's very possible that many non-nazi's have joined Azov with the movement becoming more widespread but that doesn't mean that it isn't a fact that the roots of the movement, and many of its founding leaders, are indeed in far-right and fascist symbology and circles.

There is zero way to redeem a movement like that. Nope. Not in my eyes any way. Especially not when even to this day they STILL march under a Wolfsangel. Lmao get out of here with this 'Azov redeemed' narrative.

So you think the non-Nazis in Azov are all terrible people who deserve to be killed by the Russians? You've implied you've wanted ALL of Azov fighters killed. But of course you also think Kyle Rittenhouse drove "hundreds of miles" to Kenosha (he's obviously a horrible person and is even worse now but that's irrelevant to the factuality of distance) and that Delta-8 is "THC that's been chemically altered" which is not even a REMOTELY accurate description of it from a chemistry standpoint.

I think I'm just gonna let this response speak for itself, lol.

[Antonio the Sixth]

During WW2, there were French far-rightists who hated Jews about as much as the Nazis did but still fought side by side with them in the resistance because they didn't want their country occupied by Germany. At the end of the day, what you believe is less important than what you do, and anyone who takes up arms to defend Ukraine against Russia right now is doing the right thing. We can talk about the future of the Azov regiment after the war, but fearmongering about it now feeds right into Putin's propaganda.

Besides, if anything is ever going to deradicalize a far-rightist, it's gotta have to be fighting in defense of your country under a Jewish president who has become a symbol of national resilience and courage. I wouldn't be surprised if quite a few Ukrainians who had negative attitudes toward Jews have had something of a change of heart over the past year.

[No War, but the War on Christmas]

During WW2, there were French far-rightists who hated Jews about as much as the Nazis did but still fought side by side with them in the resistance because they didn't want their country occupied by Germany. At the end of the day, what you believe is less important than what you do, and anyone who takes up arms to defend Ukraine against Russia right now is doing the right thing. We can talk about the future of the Azov regiment after the war, but fearmongering about it now feeds right into Putin's propaganda.

I think there's a difference between "fear-mongering" about it and celebrating/honoring it. But OKAY.

[TiltsAreUnderrated]

Azov is probably still dominated by some pretty detestable groups. They don't have to be straight out of 1942 to be detestable and pretending they don't exist isn't helpful. Reality is best acknowledged if it is to be changed, and it would be best if they lost whatever influence they had - preferable to the regular Ukrainian Army rather than some other militia.

Especially in longer, bloodier, conventional wars, it is the norm for errant/extreme factions like these to pop up. It doesn't mean Ukraine's in a uniquely difficult position or that Russia's claims have much merit. Of course, it means the conflict can't quite be black-and-white, but conflict can never be black-and-white due to the inherently evil nature of war (regardless of whether any Azov-esque factions are involved).

I said this in the other place, but we've not much difficulty differentiating between the shades of grey in WW2. This is in spite of the fact that the lighter shade was dominated by Stalin's armies, the world's largest empire, and the guys who nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Ukraine can't wish away its fascists, but nor do they define the bulk of its problems.

[Antonio the Sixth]

During WW2, there were French far-rightists who hated Jews about as much as the Nazis did but still fought side by side with them in the resistance because they didn't want their country occupied by Germany. At the end of the day, what you believe is less important than what you do, and anyone who takes up arms to defend Ukraine against Russia right now is doing the right thing. We can talk about the future of the Azov regiment after the war, but fearmongering about it now feeds right into Putin's propaganda.

I think there's a difference between "fear-mongering" about it and celebrating/honoring it. But OKAY.

I think what it was celebrating here (a show of fraternity and camaraderie with Israeli Jews) is something worth celebrating. Of course it definitely proves anything about Azov's character, but neither are the cherry-picked pre-2015 instances of far-right symbolism. I don't claim to know the hearts of Azov soldiers right now, all I can do is judge them by their actions.

[TiltsAreUnderrated]

During WW2, there were French far-rightists who hated Jews about as much as the Nazis did but still fought side by side with them in the resistance because they didn't want their country occupied by Germany. At the end of the day, what you believe is less important than what you do, and anyone who takes up arms to defend Ukraine against Russia right now is doing the right thing. We can talk about the future of the Azov regiment after the war, but fearmongering about it now feeds right into Putin's propaganda.

I think there's a difference between "fear-mongering" about it and celebrating/honoring it. But OKAY.

I think what it was celebrating here (a show of fraternity and camaraderie with Israeli Jews) is something worth celebrating.

Not necessarily. Israeli politicians embracing the Western far right bodes poorly for everyone involved. It should not be assumed that they will be a moderating influence.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

You know if Ukraine was really as Nazi-dominated as rose emoji Twitter posters claim, why don't any actual Western Nazis support them? Really the DSA and rose emoji types are actually on the same side as the Nazis as both of them are the only people supporting Russia...but if you trust the former you'd think Nazis would be absolutely gushing over Ukraine.

[Antonio the Sixth]

During WW2, there were French far-rightists who hated Jews about as much as the Nazis did but still fought side by side with them in the resistance because they didn't want their country occupied by Germany. At the end of the day, what you believe is less important than what you do, and anyone who takes up arms to defend Ukraine against Russia right now is doing the right thing. We can talk about the future of the Azov regiment after the war, but fearmongering about it now feeds right into Putin's propaganda.

I think there's a difference between "fear-mongering" about it and celebrating/honoring it. But OKAY.

I think what it was celebrating here (a show of fraternity and camaraderie with Israeli Jews) is something worth celebrating.

Not necessarily. Israeli politicians embracing the Western far right bodes poorly for everyone involved. It should not be assumed that they will be a moderating influence.

I don't have the context for this clip, but I feel like there's a difference between people who are known for fighting a war of anti-imperial resistance while having far-right sympathies being willing to partake in traditional Jewish culture, and whatever the f**k Bibi is doing cozying up with the likes of Orban. The political strategy and ideological connection is far more evident in the latter case.

But anyway, I'm not interested in having a deep discussion on the merits of a random internet clip. This is a distraction within a distraction compared to what really matters here.

[Kahane's Grave Is A Gender-Neutral Bathroom]

You know if Ukraine was really as Nazi-dominated as rose emoji Twitter posters claim, why don't any actual Western Nazis support them? Really the DSA and rose emoji types are actually on the same side as the Nazis as both of them are the only people supporting Russia...but if you trust the former you'd think Nazis would be absolutely gushing over Ukraine.

You expect nazbols and tankies (including the ones on this forum) to actually think?

[CumbrianLefty]

You know if Ukraine was really as Nazi-dominated as rose emoji Twitter posters claim, why don't any actual Western Nazis support them? Really the DSA and rose emoji types are actually on the same side as the Nazis as both of them are the only people supporting Russia...but if you trust the former you'd think Nazis would be absolutely gushing over Ukraine.

Tbf this is a very valid point as well.

[Woody]

https://mobile.twitter.com/Suriyakmaps/status/1608860643767226369?cxt=HHwWgsDQze...