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« Reply #6775 on: October 19, 2023, 03:30:41 PM »

I'm kind of surprised at this take, given how bearish he has been on Dems in the past.



He was very bullish on Democrats in 2020 because of all the crap polls and overcorrected in 2022.
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« Reply #6776 on: October 19, 2023, 05:22:20 PM »

Seems to be getting worse for Rs as voting continues


What were the numbers at this point in 2021??
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« Reply #6777 on: October 19, 2023, 05:49:20 PM »

Seems to be getting worse for Rs as voting continues


What were the numbers at this point in 2021??
Something like D +21 early vote with 1.2M early voters.
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« Reply #6778 on: October 19, 2023, 05:50:52 PM »

Seems to be getting worse for Rs as voting continues


What were the numbers at this point in 2021??
Something like D +21 early vote with 1.2M early voters.
If true this is at best a 4% shift left, which I guess means we narrowly win Virginia but that says a lot worse about the national environment…
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« Reply #6779 on: October 19, 2023, 05:53:59 PM »

Seems to be getting worse for Rs as voting continues


What were the numbers at this point in 2021??
Something like D +21 early vote with 1.2M early voters.
If true this is at best a 4% shift left, which I guess means we narrowly win Virginia but that says a lot worse about the national environment…

Youngkin's win, and his coattails, didn't end up meaning much for 2022.
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« Reply #6780 on: October 19, 2023, 07:54:22 PM »

Only because it's the only resource that my provide some insights, TargetEarly's modeled electorate in 2021 for VA showed this 19 days out:

380K total votes
57.5% D
29.2% R
13.3% U

But TargetSmart's modeled has had issues in the past, though.
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« Reply #6781 on: October 19, 2023, 08:12:13 PM »

Seems to be getting worse for Rs as voting continues


What were the numbers at this point in 2021??
Something like D +21 early vote with 1.2M early voters.
If true this is at best a 4% shift left, which I guess means we narrowly win Virginia but that says a lot worse about the national environment…

Youngkin's win, and his coattails, didn't end up meaning much for 2022.
That's a federal race. A lot different ballgame.
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« Reply #6782 on: October 19, 2023, 08:42:54 PM »

Seems to be getting worse for Rs as voting continues


What were the numbers at this point in 2021??
Something like D +21 early vote with 1.2M early voters.
If true this is at best a 4% shift left, which I guess means we narrowly win Virginia but that says a lot worse about the national environment…

Youngkin's win, and his coattails, didn't end up meaning much for 2022.

2022 was only D+3 statewide.  4% left of 2021 would be D+2 statewide.  This is all more or less tracking with 2022.
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« Reply #6783 on: October 19, 2023, 09:42:46 PM »

Seems to be getting worse for Rs as voting continues


What were the numbers at this point in 2021??
Something like D +21 early vote with 1.2M early voters.
If true this is at best a 4% shift left, which I guess means we narrowly win Virginia but that says a lot worse about the national environment…

Youngkin's win, and his coattails, didn't end up meaning much for 2022.

2022 was only D+3 statewide.  4% left of 2021 would be D+2 statewide.  This is all more or less tracking with 2022.
I do think based on turnout of Safe Red seats being higher than Safe Blue seats that we might be headed for a R+ PV, but that doesn’t translate to majorities due to vote inefficiency.
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« Reply #6784 on: October 19, 2023, 10:06:10 PM »

Seems to be getting worse for Rs as voting continues


What were the numbers at this point in 2021??
Something like D +21 early vote with 1.2M early voters.
If true this is at best a 4% shift left, which I guess means we narrowly win Virginia but that says a lot worse about the national environment…

Youngkin's win, and his coattails, didn't end up meaning much for 2022.
That's a federal race. A lot different ballgame.

Sure, but there were tons of takes in 2021 that the bad results for Democrats in New Jersey and Virginia were signs of an environment that would be brutal for Democrats and subsist through 2022. There were even near-identical swings from 2020 to 2021. Evidently, they didn't mean much, and that could remain true for this year's elections going into next year.
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« Reply #6785 on: October 20, 2023, 06:53:47 AM »

Seems to be getting worse for Rs as voting continues


What were the numbers at this point in 2021??
Something like D +21 early vote with 1.2M early voters.
If true this is at best a 4% shift left, which I guess means we narrowly win Virginia but that says a lot worse about the national environment…

Youngkin's win, and his coattails, didn't end up meaning much for 2022.
That's a federal race. A lot different ballgame.

Sure, but there were tons of takes in 2021 that the bad results for Democrats in New Jersey and Virginia were signs of an environment that would be brutal for Democrats and subsist through 2022. There were even near-identical swings from 2020 to 2021. Evidently, they didn't mean much, and that could remain true for this year's elections going into next year.
You are forgetting one little event in 2022 that changed the calculus nationwide.
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« Reply #6786 on: October 20, 2023, 08:40:36 AM »

Seems to be getting worse for Rs as voting continues


What were the numbers at this point in 2021??
Something like D +21 early vote with 1.2M early voters.
If true this is at best a 4% shift left, which I guess means we narrowly win Virginia but that says a lot worse about the national environment…

Youngkin's win, and his coattails, didn't end up meaning much for 2022.
That's a federal race. A lot different ballgame.

Sure, but there were tons of takes in 2021 that the bad results for Democrats in New Jersey and Virginia were signs of an environment that would be brutal for Democrats and subsist through 2022. There were even near-identical swings from 2020 to 2021. Evidently, they didn't mean much, and that could remain true for this year's elections going into next year.
You are forgetting one little event in 2022 that changed the calculus nationwide.

And Youngkin himself wants you to remember it.
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« Reply #6787 on: October 20, 2023, 11:47:45 AM »

Seems to be getting worse for Rs as voting continues


What were the numbers at this point in 2021??
Something like D +21 early vote with 1.2M early voters.
If true this is at best a 4% shift left, which I guess means we narrowly win Virginia but that says a lot worse about the national environment…

Youngkin's win, and his coattails, didn't end up meaning much for 2022.
That's a federal race. A lot different ballgame.

Sure, but there were tons of takes in 2021 that the bad results for Democrats in New Jersey and Virginia were signs of an environment that would be brutal for Democrats and subsist through 2022. There were even near-identical swings from 2020 to 2021. Evidently, they didn't mean much, and that could remain true for this year's elections going into next year.
You are forgetting one little event in 2022 that changed the calculus nationwide.

And Youngkin himself wants you to remember it.
The effects of the Roe repeal are already baked in. So there'd need to be an equally impactful event in 2024 to make the 2021-2022 trends comparable to 2023-2024.
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« Reply #6788 on: October 20, 2023, 11:56:38 AM »

Seems to be getting worse for Rs as voting continues


What were the numbers at this point in 2021??
Something like D +21 early vote with 1.2M early voters.
If true this is at best a 4% shift left, which I guess means we narrowly win Virginia but that says a lot worse about the national environment…

Youngkin's win, and his coattails, didn't end up meaning much for 2022.
That's a federal race. A lot different ballgame.

Sure, but there were tons of takes in 2021 that the bad results for Democrats in New Jersey and Virginia were signs of an environment that would be brutal for Democrats and subsist through 2022. There were even near-identical swings from 2020 to 2021. Evidently, they didn't mean much, and that could remain true for this year's elections going into next year.
You are forgetting one little event in 2022 that changed the calculus nationwide.

And Youngkin himself wants you to remember it.
The effects of the Roe repeal are already baked in. So there'd need to be an equally impactful event in 2024 to make the 2021-2022 trends comparable to 2023-2024.

SCOTUS overturning Obergefell, maybe? Though I doubt it would cause as much backlash as Dobbs did.
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« Reply #6789 on: October 20, 2023, 12:38:45 PM »

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« Reply #6790 on: October 20, 2023, 03:22:27 PM »

Polls show a stubborn D +1 to D +2 right now.

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« Reply #6791 on: October 20, 2023, 03:58:51 PM »

Polls show a stubborn D +1 to D +2 right now.



2022 redux?
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« Reply #6792 on: October 20, 2023, 04:00:11 PM »



Aligns with my priors that this would be Dem seat #22.
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« Reply #6793 on: October 20, 2023, 04:00:57 PM »

Polls show a stubborn D +1 to D +2 right now.



2022 redux?
I think the map will look like a D+1 map but Rs win the popular vote due to turning out more in Safe R seats. Keep in mind polls also looked like this at this point in 2021.
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« Reply #6794 on: October 20, 2023, 05:52:38 PM »

Seems to be getting worse for Rs as voting continues


What were the numbers at this point in 2021??
Something like D +21 early vote with 1.2M early voters.
If true this is at best a 4% shift left, which I guess means we narrowly win Virginia but that says a lot worse about the national environment…

Youngkin's win, and his coattails, didn't end up meaning much for 2022.
That's a federal race. A lot different ballgame.

Sure, but there were tons of takes in 2021 that the bad results for Democrats in New Jersey and Virginia were signs of an environment that would be brutal for Democrats and subsist through 2022. There were even near-identical swings from 2020 to 2021. Evidently, they didn't mean much, and that could remain true for this year's elections going into next year.
You are forgetting one little event in 2022 that changed the calculus nationwide.

I'm not forgetting it, that's entirely my point-lots can happen in a year between election cycles.
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« Reply #6795 on: October 20, 2023, 06:19:01 PM »

Reminding me a little bit of NJ 2013, when Christie was very popular and Obama wasn't really, but it had basically no effect whatsoever on the legislative races despite a genuine effort by the Republicans.
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« Reply #6796 on: October 20, 2023, 07:52:13 PM »

Virginia Democrats also say basically 50/50 they're voting early/on election day, which makes me think there's also a lot of huff being made about Safe D areas having lower turnout where it could just be that many are just waiting for ED (or more early voting locations)
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« Reply #6797 on: October 20, 2023, 08:10:32 PM »

Meanwhile, RE: abortion - seems like now a huge blunder for Republicans to focus so hard on it; they're losing majorly on this issue.

Youngkin's approval is -8 (37/45) while Democrats are trusted by 17% more on the issue (51-34)

Also, with all the talk of Republicans trying to say Democrats are the ones that are too extreme on the issue; they are the ones who are seen as more "about right" on the issue, while Republicans are way more out of step:

Democrats - 46% “about right”, 40% “too much access”
Republicans - 34 “about right”, 51% “too many restrictions”
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« Reply #6798 on: October 20, 2023, 08:27:49 PM »

Virginia Democrats also say basically 50/50 they're voting early/on election day, which makes me think there's also a lot of huff being made about Safe D areas having lower turnout where it could just be that many are just waiting for ED (or more early voting locations)

If half of Dems are now day-of, that would indicate there was still a meaningful COVID effect in 2022 and probably something like 75% of the total vote is day-of.
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« Reply #6799 on: October 23, 2023, 08:08:03 AM »

Looks like turnout is picking up in more safe D areas with more early voting locations opening:

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