MA-SEN Megathread: Senator Markey wins

[Skye]

Boston sure is taking its sweet time tonight...

[KaiserDave]

Funny enough, I was in the Hancock area last week.

Lots of Markey signs, Ed winning it 61/38 tonight. Must be the elitists.

[Roll Roons]

Meanwhile, Kevin O'Connor is beating Shiva Ayyadurai.

Is there any ethnic Republican who has managed to win a primary this year over a white candidate? Even the ones who had all the money and support lost (ex. Hawatmeh in NY).

Maybe the ones with European sounding names.

That's what I mean: it's basically become impossible to win a GOP primary with a non-"white" sounding name. (As in South Asian/African/Middle Eastern, not Irish/Italian/Polish.)

One exception: Mike Garcia beating Steve Knight. Also in the NJ Senate primary, where Mehta and Singh combined to get nearly 75%, with Tricia Flanagan getting only 18%, although that one's a weird case with county lines.

[Starry Eyed Jagaloon]

Markey's numbers in Natick and Newton compared against Kennedy's numbers in Springfield and Worcester make one thing clear: this race has never been about progressive vs establishment or house vs senate. It's about the wealthy (Markey's base) vs everyone ese (Kennedy's base). So much for being on the side of the working man, Markey bros.

Have you seen western Mass???

This is the worst possible take for so many reasons.

Springfield vs the Pioneer Valley, you mean? Sure, Markey's going 55-45 in rural Western MA but the blue collar heartland of Massachusetts is solidly behind Kennedy. It's funny to see the Sanders/Warren types who were oh-so-horrified to see the Democrats become the party of UMC whites have their candidate win because of these very voters. It is abundantly clear that Markey's majority is coming from rich towns in Middlesex and Metrowest, not anywhere else.

This may shock some people but working class, blue collar voters aren’t hardcore Leftists. In the primary they overwhelmingly went for Biden, and Sanders/ Warren got crushed with them. These types of voters are your stereotypical “Moderate Democrat”

Most Progressives are upper class whites in the suburbs. Despite their rhetoric, Berniecrats don’t represent the working class.

Very true, but there's much more at play here than Markey being the more left candidate. Markey is much more in touch with the stereotypical WWC voter of Massachusetts. His accent and working class background is part of it, obviously a small part but is a decent way to illustrate it.

I think the WWC voter of Massachusetts can determine who is most in touch with their needs on their own, no?

[KaiserDave]

Markey's numbers in Natick and Newton compared against Kennedy's numbers in Springfield and Worcester make one thing clear: this race has never been about progressive vs establishment or house vs senate. It's about the wealthy (Markey's base) vs everyone ese (Kennedy's base). So much for being on the side of the working man, Markey bros.

Have you seen western Mass???

This is the worst possible take for so many reasons.

Springfield vs the Pioneer Valley, you mean? Sure, Markey's going 55-45 in rural Western MA but the blue collar heartland of Massachusetts is solidly behind Kennedy. It's funny to see the Sanders/Warren types who were oh-so-horrified to see the Democrats become the party of UMC whites have their candidate win because of these very voters. It is abundantly clear that Markey's majority is coming from rich towns in Middlesex and Metrowest, not anywhere else.

This may shock some people but working class, blue collar voters aren’t hardcore Leftists. In the primary they overwhelmingly went for Biden, and Sanders/ Warren got crushed with them. These types of voters are your stereotypical “Moderate Democrat”

Most Progressives are upper class whites in the suburbs. Despite their rhetoric, Berniecrats don’t represent the working class.

Very true, but there's much more at play here than Markey being the more left candidate. Markey is much more in touch with the stereotypical WWC voter of Massachusetts. His accent and working class background is part of it, obviously a small part but is a decent way to illustrate it.

I think the WWC voter of Massachusetts can determine who is most in touch with their needs on their own, no?

That is mathematically unclear.

[Starry Eyed Jagaloon]

Markey's numbers in Natick and Newton compared against Kennedy's numbers in Springfield and Worcester make one thing clear: this race has never been about progressive vs establishment or house vs senate. It's about the wealthy (Markey's base) vs everyone ese (Kennedy's base). So much for being on the side of the working man, Markey bros.

Have you seen western Mass???

This is the worst possible take for so many reasons.

Springfield vs the Pioneer Valley, you mean? Sure, Markey's going 55-45 in rural Western MA but the blue collar heartland of Massachusetts is solidly behind Kennedy. It's funny to see the Sanders/Warren types who were oh-so-horrified to see the Democrats become the party of UMC whites have their candidate win because of these very voters. It is abundantly clear that Markey's majority is coming from rich towns in Middlesex and Metrowest, not anywhere else.

LOL, I live in rural Western MA. We aren't a bunch of rich elitists here.

I was referring to Essex County in this case.

[Indy Texas]

Markey's numbers in Natick and Newton compared against Kennedy's numbers in Springfield and Worcester make one thing clear: this race has never been about progressive vs establishment or house vs senate. It's about the wealthy (Markey's base) vs everyone ese (Kennedy's base). So much for being on the side of the working man, Markey bros.

Kennedy is running against the co-writer of the GND, so your comment makes no sense.

In terms of coalitions, it absolutely makes sense. Places like Wellesley and Natick are wealthy and establishment in every sense of the word and yet they're propelling Markey's majority.

Living in a town/county with an above-average median household income does not make someone "Establishment."

Is a high school librarian in Wellesley part of some elite Establishment?

Doesn't sound populist to me! I dub thee elitist!

Book readers are New People! Send them to the killing- er- to the rice fields!

[WD]

Markey's numbers in Natick and Newton compared against Kennedy's numbers in Springfield and Worcester make one thing clear: this race has never been about progressive vs establishment or house vs senate. It's about the wealthy (Markey's base) vs everyone ese (Kennedy's base). So much for being on the side of the working man, Markey bros.

Have you seen western Mass???

This is the worst possible take for so many reasons.

Springfield vs the Pioneer Valley, you mean? Sure, Markey's going 55-45 in rural Western MA but the blue collar heartland of Massachusetts is solidly behind Kennedy. It's funny to see the Sanders/Warren types who were oh-so-horrified to see the Democrats become the party of UMC whites have their candidate win because of these very voters. It is abundantly clear that Markey's majority is coming from rich towns in Middlesex and Metrowest, not anywhere else.

This may shock some people but working class, blue collar voters aren’t hardcore Leftists. In the primary they overwhelmingly went for Biden, and Sanders/ Warren got crushed with them. These types of voters are your stereotypical “Moderate Democrat”

Most Progressives are upper class whites in the suburbs. Despite their rhetoric, Berniecrats don’t represent the working class.

Very true, but there's much more at play here than Markey being the more left candidate. Markey is much more in touch with the stereotypical WWC voter of Massachusetts. His accent and working class background is part of it, obviously a small part but is a decent way to illustrate it.

I think the WWC voter of Massachusetts can determine who is most in touch with their needs on their own, no?

This.  Its obvious that Kennedy is the preferred candidate among the working class

[W]

Why is Kennedy doing so well in minority areas? Is it perhaps nostalgia for his grandfather, who was beloved by black voters? Or his recent appeals to those voters on racial justice issues?

Maybe because Markey opposed desegregation of Boston schools? Just a thought

The Kennedys implicitly supported segregated schools by virtue of sending their children to expensive private schools that only white people could afford to attend.

Talk about bad faith. Not sending their own kids to public schools doesn’t mean they support segregation in them.

Moreover, this comment is actually kind of racist. You suggesting that no minorities can afford to send their kids to private schools? I know for a fact this is BS.

[TiltsAreUnderrated]

Markey's numbers in Natick and Newton compared against Kennedy's numbers in Springfield and Worcester make one thing clear: this race has never been about progressive vs establishment or house vs senate. It's about the wealthy (Markey's base) vs everyone ese (Kennedy's base). So much for being on the side of the working man, Markey bros.

Have you seen western Mass???

This is the worst possible take for so many reasons.

Springfield vs the Pioneer Valley, you mean? Sure, Markey's going 55-45 in rural Western MA but the blue collar heartland of Massachusetts is solidly behind Kennedy. It's funny to see the Sanders/Warren types who were oh-so-horrified to see the Democrats become the party of UMC whites have their candidate win because of these very voters. It is abundantly clear that Markey's majority is coming from rich towns in Middlesex and Metrowest, not anywhere else.

This may shock some people but working class, blue collar voters aren’t hardcore Leftists. In the primary they overwhelmingly went for Biden, and Sanders/ Warren got crushed with them. These types of voters are your stereotypical “Moderate Democrat”

Most Progressives are upper class whites in the suburbs. Despite their rhetoric, Berniecrats don’t represent the working class.

Very true, but there's much more at play here than Markey being the more left candidate. Markey is much more in touch with the stereotypical WWC voter of Massachusetts. His accent and working class background is part of it, obviously a small part but is a decent way to illustrate it.

I think the WWC voter of Massachusetts can determine who is most in touch with their needs on their own, no?

I'd wager you'd dispute that, and most of the Kennedy crowd's current rhetoric, in a General Election given Republican margins. In any case, I'll wait for the full results but expect the biggest predictor here to be age.

For the record, I think that voters (overall) are always the best qualified to make their own political decisions. That doesn't mean we're particularly good at it.

[Roronoa D. Law]

Markey's numbers in Natick and Newton compared against Kennedy's numbers in Springfield and Worcester make one thing clear: this race has never been about progressive vs establishment or house vs senate. It's about the wealthy (Markey's base) vs everyone ese (Kennedy's base). So much for being on the side of the working man, Markey bros.

Have you seen western Mass or the northeast?? Small town Massachusetts is Markey country.

This is the worst possible take for so many reasons.

There does seem to be a correlation between income and support for Markey. Admas has the lowest income for a town in Berkshire county and went for Kennedy but next door in Williamston the wealthiest town in Berkshire county went heavy for Markey.

[Gracile]

Anyway:

https://twitter.com/TedNesi/status/1300979670339522567

Kennedy concedes.

[LtNOWIS]

Maybe the ones with European sounding names.

That's what I mean: it's basically become impossible to win a GOP primary with a non-"white" sounding name. (As in South Asian/African/Middle Eastern, not Irish/Italian/Polish.)

One exception: Mike Garcia beating Steve Knight.

Mike Garcia is still a pretty White sounding name. It could be Hispanic, or it could be Spanish. It's not like as nonwhite a name as like, Cristina Tzintzún Ramirez or Raul Grijalva.

But yeah it'll be interesting to see how it goes in the future. As Hispanics assimilate more into White society, there should be GOP candidates of Hispanic origin in the long term.

[Roronoa D. Law]

Maybe the ones with European sounding names.

That's what I mean: it's basically become impossible to win a GOP primary with a non-"white" sounding name. (As in South Asian/African/Middle Eastern, not Irish/Italian/Polish.)

One exception: Mike Garcia beating Steve Knight.

Mike Garcia is still a pretty White sounding name. It could be Hispanic, or it could be Spanish. It's not like as nonwhite a name as like, Cristina Tzintzún Ramirez or Raul Grijalva.

But yeah it'll be interesting to see how it goes in the future. As Hispanics assimilate more into White society, there should be GOP candidates of Hispanic origin in the long term.

The opposite is more likely to happen look at Brazil.

[warandwar]

Markey's numbers in Natick and Newton compared against Kennedy's numbers in Springfield and Worcester make one thing clear: this race has never been about progressive vs establishment or house vs senate. It's about the wealthy (Markey's base) vs everyone ese (Kennedy's base). So much for being on the side of the working man, Markey bros.

Have you seen western Mass???

This is the worst possible take for so many reasons.

Springfield vs the Pioneer Valley, you mean? Sure, Markey's going 55-45 in rural Western MA but the blue collar heartland of Massachusetts is solidly behind Kennedy. It's funny to see the Sanders/Warren types who were oh-so-horrified to see the Democrats become the party of UMC whites have their candidate win because of these very voters. It is abundantly clear that Markey's majority is coming from rich towns in Middlesex and Metrowest, not anywhere else.

This may shock some people but working class, blue collar voters aren’t hardcore Leftists. In the primary they overwhelmingly went for Biden, and Sanders/ Warren got crushed with them. These types of voters are your stereotypical “Moderate Democrat”

Most Progressives are upper class whites in the suburbs. Despite their rhetoric, Berniecrats don’t represent the working class.

Very true, but there's much more at play here than Markey being the more left candidate. Markey is much more in touch with the stereotypical WWC voter of Massachusetts. His accent and working class background is part of it, obviously a small part but is a decent way to illustrate it.

I think the WWC voter of Massachusetts can determine who is most in touch with their needs on their own, no?

Most of the people you are thinking of (Southie types) don't even live in Massachusettes anymore. And I don't think the voter participation rate is that high. Remember this is a primary...

[KaiserDave]

This is over. Very pleased to see we're keeping a good Senator on the front.

Also, from an identity politics standpoint which undoubtedly has an effect on voters, Markey is far more similar to Neal and Lynch than Morse.

[warandwar]

Markey's numbers in Natick and Newton compared against Kennedy's numbers in Springfield and Worcester make one thing clear: this race has never been about progressive vs establishment or house vs senate. It's about the wealthy (Markey's base) vs everyone ese (Kennedy's base). So much for being on the side of the working man, Markey bros.

Have you seen western Mass or the northeast?? Small town Massachusetts is Markey country.

This is the worst possible take for so many reasons.

There does seem to be a correlation between income and support for Markey. Admas has the lowest income for a town in Berkshire county and went for Kennedy but next door in Williamston the wealthiest town in Berkshire county went heavy for Markey.

You gotta be careful here - lotta low income farmworkers who dont vote in the Berkshires, and remember the student vote in Williamstown.

[Starry Eyed Jagaloon]

Markey's numbers in Natick and Newton compared against Kennedy's numbers in Springfield and Worcester make one thing clear: this race has never been about progressive vs establishment or house vs senate. It's about the wealthy (Markey's base) vs everyone ese (Kennedy's base). So much for being on the side of the working man, Markey bros.

Have you seen western Mass???

This is the worst possible take for so many reasons.

Springfield vs the Pioneer Valley, you mean? Sure, Markey's going 55-45 in rural Western MA but the blue collar heartland of Massachusetts is solidly behind Kennedy. It's funny to see the Sanders/Warren types who were oh-so-horrified to see the Democrats become the party of UMC whites have their candidate win because of these very voters. It is abundantly clear that Markey's majority is coming from rich towns in Middlesex and Metrowest, not anywhere else.

This may shock some people but working class, blue collar voters aren’t hardcore Leftists. In the primary they overwhelmingly went for Biden, and Sanders/ Warren got crushed with them. These types of voters are your stereotypical “Moderate Democrat”

Most Progressives are upper class whites in the suburbs. Despite their rhetoric, Berniecrats don’t represent the working class.

Very true, but there's much more at play here than Markey being the more left candidate. Markey is much more in touch with the stereotypical WWC voter of Massachusetts. His accent and working class background is part of it, obviously a small part but is a decent way to illustrate it.

I think the WWC voter of Massachusetts can determine who is most in touch with their needs on their own, no?

Most of the people you are thinking of (Southie types) don't even live in Massachusettes anymore. And I don't think the voter participation rate is that high. Remember this is a primary...

Er...who exactly do you think lives in Springfield and Fall River?

[KaiserDave]

Is Tyringham township, with a median household income of $60,250, which has gone to Markey by 50% a bastion of elitism?

[Oryxslayer]

DDHQ has called it.

I personally want to see something from Boston at the minimum, but this call  appears to be simply following Kennedy's action in conceding the race.

[Starry Eyed Jagaloon]

Markey's numbers in Natick and Newton compared against Kennedy's numbers in Springfield and Worcester make one thing clear: this race has never been about progressive vs establishment or house vs senate. It's about the wealthy (Markey's base) vs everyone ese (Kennedy's base). So much for being on the side of the working man, Markey bros.

Have you seen western Mass???

This is the worst possible take for so many reasons.

Springfield vs the Pioneer Valley, you mean? Sure, Markey's going 55-45 in rural Western MA but the blue collar heartland of Massachusetts is solidly behind Kennedy. It's funny to see the Sanders/Warren types who were oh-so-horrified to see the Democrats become the party of UMC whites have their candidate win because of these very voters. It is abundantly clear that Markey's majority is coming from rich towns in Middlesex and Metrowest, not anywhere else.

This may shock some people but working class, blue collar voters aren’t hardcore Leftists. In the primary they overwhelmingly went for Biden, and Sanders/ Warren got crushed with them. These types of voters are your stereotypical “Moderate Democrat”

Most Progressives are upper class whites in the suburbs. Despite their rhetoric, Berniecrats don’t represent the working class.

Very true, but there's much more at play here than Markey being the more left candidate. Markey is much more in touch with the stereotypical WWC voter of Massachusetts. His accent and working class background is part of it, obviously a small part but is a decent way to illustrate it.

I think the WWC voter of Massachusetts can determine who is most in touch with their needs on their own, no?

That is mathematically unclear.

True believer in democracy I see.

[warandwar]

Markey's numbers in Natick and Newton compared against Kennedy's numbers in Springfield and Worcester make one thing clear: this race has never been about progressive vs establishment or house vs senate. It's about the wealthy (Markey's base) vs everyone ese (Kennedy's base). So much for being on the side of the working man, Markey bros.

Have you seen western Mass???

This is the worst possible take for so many reasons.

Springfield vs the Pioneer Valley, you mean? Sure, Markey's going 55-45 in rural Western MA but the blue collar heartland of Massachusetts is solidly behind Kennedy. It's funny to see the Sanders/Warren types who were oh-so-horrified to see the Democrats become the party of UMC whites have their candidate win because of these very voters. It is abundantly clear that Markey's majority is coming from rich towns in Middlesex and Metrowest, not anywhere else.

This may shock some people but working class, blue collar voters aren’t hardcore Leftists. In the primary they overwhelmingly went for Biden, and Sanders/ Warren got crushed with them. These types of voters are your stereotypical “Moderate Democrat”

Most Progressives are upper class whites in the suburbs. Despite their rhetoric, Berniecrats don’t represent the working class.

Very true, but there's much more at play here than Markey being the more left candidate. Markey is much more in touch with the stereotypical WWC voter of Massachusetts. His accent and working class background is part of it, obviously a small part but is a decent way to illustrate it.

I think the WWC voter of Massachusetts can determine who is most in touch with their needs on their own, no?

Most of the people you are thinking of (Southie types) don't even live in Massachusettes anymore. And I don't think the voter participation rate is that high. Remember this is a primary...

Er...who exactly do you think lives in Springfield and Fall River?

My family for one...

[KaiserDave]

Markey's numbers in Natick and Newton compared against Kennedy's numbers in Springfield and Worcester make one thing clear: this race has never been about progressive vs establishment or house vs senate. It's about the wealthy (Markey's base) vs everyone ese (Kennedy's base). So much for being on the side of the working man, Markey bros.

Have you seen western Mass???

This is the worst possible take for so many reasons.

Springfield vs the Pioneer Valley, you mean? Sure, Markey's going 55-45 in rural Western MA but the blue collar heartland of Massachusetts is solidly behind Kennedy. It's funny to see the Sanders/Warren types who were oh-so-horrified to see the Democrats become the party of UMC whites have their candidate win because of these very voters. It is abundantly clear that Markey's majority is coming from rich towns in Middlesex and Metrowest, not anywhere else.

This may shock some people but working class, blue collar voters aren’t hardcore Leftists. In the primary they overwhelmingly went for Biden, and Sanders/ Warren got crushed with them. These types of voters are your stereotypical “Moderate Democrat”

Most Progressives are upper class whites in the suburbs. Despite their rhetoric, Berniecrats don’t represent the working class.

Very true, but there's much more at play here than Markey being the more left candidate. Markey is much more in touch with the stereotypical WWC voter of Massachusetts. His accent and working class background is part of it, obviously a small part but is a decent way to illustrate it.

I think the WWC voter of Massachusetts can determine who is most in touch with their needs on their own, no?

That is mathematically unclear.

True believer in democracy I see.

?

[Indy Texas]

Maybe the ones with European sounding names.

That's what I mean: it's basically become impossible to win a GOP primary with a non-"white" sounding name. (As in South Asian/African/Middle Eastern, not Irish/Italian/Polish.)

One exception: Mike Garcia beating Steve Knight.

Mike Garcia is still a pretty White sounding name. It could be Hispanic, or it could be Spanish. It's not like as nonwhite a name as like, Cristina Tzintzún Ramirez or Raul Grijalva.

But yeah it'll be interesting to see how it goes in the future. As Hispanics assimilate more into White society, there should be GOP candidates of Hispanic origin in the long term.

California's open primary muddies things a bit.

As for the other two, Democratic primary dynamics are very different, especially in the Southwest. In Texas, if anything it's to your benefit to have a Hispanic surname. That's why Trey Martínez Fischer began using his mother's maiden name as a middle name; that's why Chrysta Castañeda is not using her maiden name (she's an Anglo lady married to a Hispanic man).

[Calthrina950]

Anyway:

https://twitter.com/TedNesi/status/1300979670339522567

Kennedy concedes.

On most fronts, 2020 has been an absolutely horrendous year, but on this, it has made history, and in a good way. Thank you to the voters of Massachusetts!