Israel-Gaza war

[Red Velvet]

Dumb move by Palestine but I’ll not shed fake tears for Israel considering all the history of this conflict either. That’s exactly what they were waiting and hoping for, some excuse to get into direct war without getting too bad of a PR in the West. Would honestly be wonderful if both sides could lose. We’re talking about an imperialist apartheid regime oppressing an Islamic theocracy that violates the human rights of minorities.

Naturally, the Western and White Imperialist countries will side with Israel because that’s who they identify with better and the Islamic Dictatorships will side with Palestine because it’s the one culturally closer to them as well.

[Red Velvet]

Dumb move by Palestine but I’ll not shed fake tears for Israel considering all the history of this conflict either. That’s exactly what they were waiting and hoping for, some excuse to get into direct war without getting too bad of a PR in the West. Would honestly be wonderful if both sides could lose. We’re talking about an imperialist apartheid regime oppressing an Islamic theocracy that violates the human rights of minorities.

Naturally, the Western and White Imperialist countries will side with Israel because that’s who they identify with better and the Islamic Dictatorships will side with Palestine because it’s the one culturally closer to them as well.

India sides with Israel here. So there goes your bs global south alliance

Lmao it’s so funny how you dense you people are about geopolitics. Are you even aware of India-Pakistan tensions?

You keep having this automatic alignment “side” mentality inherited from Cold War without not even grasping the concept of current multilateralism.

[Red Velvet]

Dumb move by Palestine but I’ll not shed fake tears for Israel considering all the history of this conflict either. That’s exactly what they were waiting and hoping for, some excuse to get into direct war without getting too bad of a PR in the West. Would honestly be wonderful if both sides could lose. We’re talking about an imperialist apartheid regime oppressing an Islamic theocracy that violates the human rights of minorities.

Naturally, the Western and White Imperialist countries will side with Israel because that’s who they identify with better and the Islamic Dictatorships will side with Palestine because it’s the one culturally closer to them as well.

India sides with Israel here. So there goes your bs global south alliance

Lmao it’s so funny how you dense you people are about geopolitics. Are you even aware of India-Pakistan tensions?

You keep having this automatic alignment “side” mentality inherited from Cold War without not even grasping the concept of current multilateralism.

You are the one who talks about the global north vs south like it is some second cold war, OSR may have the geopolitical understanding of a toddler but you are throwing crayons from your own crib.

On economic interests, we definitely have very direct opposing interests between the countries that want to emerge and the ones that want to protect their standing.

Doesn’t mean interests cannot align on multiple other matters, including well, Culture and Religion. Economic independence is one major thing but there are tons of others.

If anyone sees India position on Israel as “siding with the West” and NOT about “opening precedents in their dispute with Islamic Pakistan” then they’re just being ignorant or pretending to be. India is an independent country that deserves much more respect for its agency than the one you people give to it.

[Red Velvet]

Dumb move by Palestine but I’ll not shed fake tears for Israel considering all the history of this conflict either. That’s exactly what they were waiting and hoping for, some excuse to get into direct war without getting too bad of a PR in the West. Would honestly be wonderful if both sides could lose. We’re talking about an imperialist apartheid regime oppressing an Islamic theocracy that violates the human rights of minorities.

Naturally, the Western and White Imperialist countries will side with Israel because that’s who they identify with better and the Islamic Dictatorships will side with Palestine because it’s the one culturally closer to them as well.

India sides with Israel here. So there goes your bs global south alliance

Lmao it’s so funny how you dense you people are about geopolitics. Are you even aware of India-Pakistan tensions?

You keep having this automatic alignment “side” mentality inherited from Cold War without not even grasping the concept of current multilateralism.

You are the one who talks about the global north vs south like it is some second cold war, OSR may have the geopolitical understanding of a toddler but you are throwing crayons from your own crib.

On economic interests, we definitely have very direct opposing interests between the countries that want to emerge and the ones that want to protect their standing.

Doesn’t mean interests cannot align on multiple other matters, including well, Culture and Religion. Economic independence is one major thing but there are tons of others.

If anyone sees India position on Israel as “siding with the West” and NOT about “opening precedents in their dispute with Islamic Pakistan” then they’re just being ignorant or pretending to be. India is an independent country that deserves much more respect for its agency than the one you people give to it.

India actually supported Palestine for the first 4 decades after Indian independence, despite the India-Pakistan conflict. Close India-Israel ties are a relatively recent development. There has been a clear geopolitical shift with India where it sided more with the Soviets before (still non-aligned, but closer to the Soviets due to US support for Pakistan), but became closer to US and its allies (including Israel) after the Cold War. Of course, there is still an incredible amount of nuance here, where India will often side with adversaries of the US when it suits their interests.

The mistake that the westerners here keep doing IMO is trying to fit India into one of two poles when THAT’S NOT HOW THEY EVEN SEE THEMSELVES ANYMORE.

Like, India sees itself as a “pole” of its own and so do an increasing lot of countries that weren’t protagonists of global geopolitics too. Increasingly more places don’t see themselves as being delegated to a supporting role at all.

Westerners don’t really realize or are able to grasp from the outside how the mentality and ambitions for a whole lot of the Global South has changed since the Cold War, so they simplify current multipolarity through an bipolar order logics inherited from Cold War.

It’s a multipolar world now and it’s time people accept it. People outside the West - mostly USAians are guilty of this fallacy - don’t even see things in the terms of “siding with US” or “siding with China” anyway.

[Red Velvet]

Trump is blaming Biden:

Joe Biden’s ineptitude, weakness, and incompetence has led to this horrible attack on Israel, and it will only get worse. Just four years ago we had the signing of the historic Abraham Accords, and today we have an attack on Israel. What a difference a President makes!

Expected considering how polarized and partisan literally every issue has gotten in the USA.

Since the Democrats have become more of Israel skeptics (while not dropping their support to be clear) after the rise of the Extreme Right-wing fanatics in the country - with Netanyahu even being a Trump enthusiast - this is a matter where Trump can try to play the democrats into not being “Pro-Israel” enough even if for all realistic matters it’s a bipartisan position both parties have.

[Red Velvet]

Worst case scenario for this war is that the larger Arab superpowers get involved. If it’s mostly Israel vs. Hamas Israel would win easily.

Let Israel and Iran destroy each other.

It's a win-win: two authoritarian states destroy one another.

Hell no, if Iran declares war on Israel then we should provide Israel with air support. Let's see how Iran would like to deal with the greatest military superpower the world has ever seen and especially the greatest air power the world has ever seen.

We must not let Israel fall under any circumstance. The history over the past many centuries show that when there is no Jewish country existing , it leads to horrible oppression and we cannot stand by and let that ever happen again. The fact is Jews need a refuge from potential oppression and that is why a Jewish nation must exist

And if the USA is stupid enough to do that. It gives China the opportunity to invade Taiwan while your planes are fighting to protect Bibi

And don’t forget that besides fighting Iran for Israel and China for Taiwan, they also still need to keep sending money and war equipment for Ukraine to fight Russia too.

[Red Velvet]

A huge amount of Israelis are saying that all the Israeli Army was in the West Bank giving support to illegal occupations there. Which is why the attack from Gaza was a “surprise” and so powerful.

That means, the Hamas attack managing to be this successful was a direct result from the priorities that the Hard-Right government of Israel has in favoring their Religious Extremists instead of looking after the security of the country and their people.

[Red Velvet]

https://twitter.com/GONENB1/status/1710568015396270226

My father, Brigadier General Uzi Ben Yitzchak, who was the commander of the Central Command, asked me to ask why they don't tell the truth: 26 battalions, almost all of the regular IDF is in the territories. There is almost no army in the south. All this by a decision of an extreme right-wing government.

It should be said clearly.

Forces should be transferred from the West Bank to Gaza and close the fence at all costs and not let them return to Gaza

[Red Velvet]

The Brandenburg Gate in Berlin tonight.

Odd déjà vu... it used to be Blue-Yellow colour scheme back in February of 2022.

Ukraine War apparently is over. Zelensky is the biggest loser of this Israel conflict, not only it’s more recent, it’s a way more geopolitically strategic region for the Americans than Ukraine ever was close to be.

Imagine if China declares war with Taiwan too, clearly both Taiwan AND Israel will suck up most of the air inside the West as they’re considered more “important”.

[Red Velvet]

The Brandenburg Gate in Berlin tonight.

Odd déjà vu... it used to be Blue-Yellow colour scheme back in February of 2022.

Ukraine War apparently is over. Zelensky is the biggest loser of this Israel conflict, not only it’s more recent, it’s a way more geopolitically strategic region for the Americans than Ukraine ever was close to be.

Imagine if China declares war with Taiwan too, clearly both Taiwan AND Israel will suck up most of the air inside the West as they’re considered more “important”.

It might surprise you, but countries and their citizens are more than capable of focusing on more than one international crisis at a time. One does not negate the other.

Please. It took less than two years to give you Ukraine fatigue and economic anxiety. In practice people have a very limited attention span.

Each party will prioritize one thing in an hypothetical scenario of conflicts with Russia, China and Iran. And we all know Ukraine will be at the bottom of the list of priorities in comparison to Taiwan and Israel, both of which hold extremely higher geopolitical value for the USA.

And even beyond the media and societal attention span, military resources are also limited. If there’s already talk of “We don’t have more amno and equipment to send to Ukraine”, imagine if you get two new giant geopolitical conflicts to be involved in. You can’t maintain three fronts of war while still reserving stuff for your own self-protection in case someone attacks you.

If anything, in a realistic scenario, US would pick either one of Taiwan or Israel to invest their help in, while Ukraine would most certainly be the forgotten “casualty” in the middle of so many global conflicts, with the Americans giving the excuse that it’s European responsibility to help Ukraine.

[Red Velvet]

Hezbollah is now attacking Israel from the Lebanon border. Apparently, it’s under Islamic solidarity with Hamas.

[Red Velvet]

AP reports that the Egyptian government repeatedly tried to warn Israel that Hamas was planning this invasion - that Netanyahu knew what was coming but still failed to stop it

Allies who share intelligence with Israel said security agencies were misreading reality.

An Egyptian intelligence official said Egypt, which often serves as a mediator between Israel and Hamas, had spoken repeatedly with the Israelis about “something big,” without elaborating.

He said Israeli officials were focused on the West Bank and played down the threat from Gaza. Netanyahu’s government is made up of supporters of Jewish West Bank settlers who have demanded a security crackdown in the face of a rising tide of violence there over the last 18 months.

“We have warned them an explosion of the situation is coming, and very soon, and it would be big. But they underestimated such warnings,” said the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he wasn’t authorized to discuss the content of sensitive intelligence discussions with the media.

for what it's worth, Netanyahu's office has issued a statement denying it

What else is he gonna do?

"Yup, I f***ed that one up."  ?

He didn’t though, it’s all according to his plan.

[Red Velvet]

We are at the point where Palestine has been able to hold onto Israeli territory for more than half a week, with no end in sight that Palestinian offensives are going to end this week and that most soldiers have embedded and fortified their position in southern Israel. What paralysis is this that the Israeli army refuses to quickly move to secure its own cities.

War on land is way more competitive then people usually give credit for, especially if the bigger powers hold on using their full power against their adversary.

It has been like that for a while now, USA in Middle East, Russia in Ukraine, now Israel in their own land too. I don’t doubt Israel regains their territory and this conflict ends sooner than the others but it’s not a piece of cake like people would assume just because it’s against Palestine.

Big Determinant: Israelis feel less sympathetic to this war and their own government than most expected. Netanyahu has associated himself with the biggest far-right leaderships of the world and prioritized Jewish religious extremists and their claims on the West Bank over the safety of the country.

Being way too hawkish can actually bring more danger to your country, which is why it’s important to build a balance. Israel has garnered a bad global reputation lately because of their leader AND he now also shows himself to be deeply incompetent as well. Not surprising people are pissed with him.

[Red Velvet]

Disclaimer: Strong images

https://twitter.com/ytirawi/status/1712857326909100519

[Red Velvet]

Giving one million people--half of them children--24 hours to leave, regardless of what Hamas says, is utterly untenable. Between this and the West Bank being placed under full lockdown it's going to be mass slaughter, and the West will stand and watch as tens of thousands of Palestinians are murdered.

The problem with the west is that at the end of the day, words are just words.

And despite all efforts to make our society a more tolerant one towards other races, ethnicities, cultural origins, it all turns moot with inaction like this (or even unconditional support for "Israël to do what it has to do"). I ask myself to what extent an apology to D.R. Congo for our crimes there is genuine from our part, if we continue to turn a blind eye or show support towards similar regimes and actions today.

I've all warned you for this. And the first two days, there were more people calling for me to be banned than something else, but this was my fear and this is why I responded the way I did the first days.

You’re a good person Laki, but because you’re Western you don’t fully get that most of other westerners aren’t like you - there isn’t the intention to make society more tolerant of other races, ethnicities or cultures, there’s the concern about protecting the power and status the West has.

Once you understand and accept that, everything starts making much more sense on why “moral concepts” are so flexible and applied differently depending of the color of the skin or the religion of the involved. When Ukraine War began, much of people’s shock was that “White European people” were dying.

Same thing here, people never cared about doing something for the Palestinians after years of slaughter and land grabbing because they’re darker skinned and Muslim, but in the first bad thing that happens to Israel everyone loses their minds because that isn’t something that is supposed to happen in people’s minds. While the destruction of Palestinians is a project, always has been.

It’s why I always laugh at the cheap fake excuse people give to Ukraine, that doing nothing somehow creates a precedent that validates interventionism lmao. That has already been validated over and over again through time, from Cold War coups to Middle East invasions. The “precedent” exists only to protect the Western countries because for everyone else that sort of thing already happened anyway.

[Red Velvet]

Big talk about “all westerners are evil people” from someone who bends the knee and is happily leashed by China and Russia. Dogs like you aren’t valued by your masters.

Zzzzzzzzzz again the bipolar “Western” or “Russia/China” camps talk.

Talk about reality denialism. But I get that pushing a bipolar reading of the world is more convenient because it allows a “Us or them”; “Good or Bad” dichotomy to be instrumentalized in your favor.

World is already multipolar no matter how inconvenient that complexity is for you. We’re getting constant signs if it every day.

[Red Velvet]

Oh pipe down Red Velvet. This is not the time or place for your inane campist ramblings. The entire world just witnessed a Muslim nation ethnically cleanse a white Christian population with shameful silence from the entire Western world. Please either pick up a book or go comment on some other issue where your lens is less myopic.

Lmao at the notion that Armenia is considered “White Western” for the West.

[Red Velvet]

Oh pipe down Red Velvet. This is not the time or place for your inane campist ramblings. The entire world just witnessed a Muslim nation ethnically cleanse a white Christian population with shameful silence from the entire Western world. Please either pick up a book or go comment on some other issue where your lens is less myopic.

Lmao at the notion that Armenia is considered “White Western” for the West.

Well, yeah, if you define any nation inconvenient to your puerile worldview as non-Western post hoc, irrespective of its history or culture, then your IR model is bulletproof. Compelling stuff. You know, people might give you the time of day on this matter if your president, or indeed any "non-Western" nation, was doing anything more for the Palestinians than posting vaguely-worded appeals for peace on Twitter. As it stands, maybe you should go post the millionth thread about that new horribly designed BRICS currency or whatever and hope that we all forget that Western countries are not the only ones failing the Palestinians.

Hahahahaha what exactly do you suggest non-Western countries to do with their mighty power? In order to save Palestine.

Gustavo Petro from Colombia had more incisive language and compared Israel attitude to Palestinians to what the Nazis said about the Jewish people. Result:

US slams Colombia president's remarks on Gaza

Western project has always been to destroy Palestine very much so. A good first step would be to recognize Palestine in the first place. What are the countries who don’t do it? Hmmmm let’s see…

map link - https://64-media-tumblr-com.cdn.ampproject.org/i/s/64.media.tumblr.com/38dfd00f55e64ad4e40e459def8763cf/47fee557cf46711d-dd/s1280x1920/2686e3cbe3f753301ae81567e751be731a1bd540.png

I really wonder why this map has this color division. Such a mystery!

[Red Velvet]

Video from 2021 to illustrate some of the things Palestinians always had to endure and yet it never was worth getting the “Western outrage” like they give it to Ukraine:

https://twitter.com/theramrum/status/1712494445650694487
~Invading someone else’s land to take it for you is evil and wrong and opens a dangerous precedent where this kind of stuff is validated as fair game!~

Depends on the color of your skin and religion, apparently.

[Red Velvet]

It's certainly a disgrace. We (the western world and its liberal values) will pay a high price for it

https://twitter.com/mattduss/status/1713210261996462512?t=bM7yVJGecfofH5zcd3hd5w...

No one with a brain buys the ~west cares about the liberal order~ propaganda discourse outside the West.

The West has propelled dictatorships and genocide when it saw that as aligned to their material self-interests. They use liberalism and democracy as an instrument only, not as a goal, especially in foreign countries.

If a democracy starts going against their interests on any matter, they will promote regime change undercover and more discreetly. If an autocracy starts doing that, then they will be more open about it and justify it as fighting terrorism or dictatorship in name of liberal values.

However, if a democracy or an autocracy aligns with their interests, they will treat as “liberal allies” no matter the horrors they may commit when they happen to be a dictatorship.

[Red Velvet]

Video from 2021 to illustrate some of the things Palestinians always had to endure and yet it never was worth getting the “Western outrage” like they give it to Ukraine:

~Invading someone else’s land to take it for you is evil and wrong and opens a dangerous precedent where this kind of stuff is validated as fair game!~

Depends on the color of your skin and religion, apparently.

You called Israel part of the "global south" when it was palling around with various dictatorships, and have repeatedly expressed a desire for the West to stop "lecturing" the global south. Our leaders are monstrously hypocritical, but you, personally, have no place to talk.

Reducing it to race is idiotic, too. There are plenty of Palestinians who look whiter than your average Israeli, and they get little to no more sympathy than the rest of them.

Unless current world order is reformed and true “values-based” internationalism is applied then these abuses and hypocrisy will keep happening because countries will unilaterally try to push for their selfish interests over “morality”.

I don’t know why you’re comparing me with western leader though. I wasn’t aware of my power? I am not the one trying to pass by as a morally perfect liberal hero that always stands up for goodness - even if I’m closer to defending that compared to you - I simply  point out what I see.

And I do it not because I think it’s inherently “wrong” to push for your self-interests considering how chaotic and with no-rule international relations and order are. What annoys me are the false moral arguments being instrumentalized for the sake of self-interests simply because it’s not honest.

If someone can act on their self-interest then everyone can. We either build a new order where same rules and consequences apply to everyone or else the same chaos and war will keep existing.

The obstacle to this are exactly the bigger powers who WANT to keep having opening to commit abuses when it services them and are not willing to abdicate to international rules. Russia, USA, China and even Europe.

[Red Velvet]

It's certainly a disgrace. We (the western world and its liberal values) will pay a high price for it

https://twitter.com/mattduss/status/1713210261996462512?t=bM7yVJGecfofH5zcd3hd5w...

No one with a brain buys the ~west cares about the liberal order~ propaganda discourse outside the West.

The West has propelled dictatorships and genocide when it saw that as aligned to their material self-interests. They use liberalism and democracy as an instrument only, not as a goal, especially in foreign countries.

If a democracy starts going against their interests on any matter, they will promote regime change undercover and more discreetly. If an autocracy starts doing that, then they will be more open about it and justify it as fighting terrorism or dictatorship in name of liberal values.

However, if a democracy or an autocracy aligns with their interests, they will treat as “liberal allies” no matter the horrors they may commit when they happen to be a dictatorship.

I don't buy most of your arguments, but no doubt that most of the folks attacking you without caring to address the fundamental question stressed above are, in fact, validating you

I know they are, whenever people get too aggressive over politics arguments is either because you have offended them on some level (like supporting homophobia to a gay person will naturally entitle such a response) OR because you made a good valid point they don’t know how to respond to but feel threatened because it goes against their established beliefs.

Since I am always respectful bringing up my opinions, I know it’s the latter.

[Red Velvet]

It's certainly a disgrace. We (the western world and its liberal values) will pay a high price for it

https://twitter.com/mattduss/status/1713210261996462512?t=bM7yVJGecfofH5zcd3hd5w...

No one with a brain buys the ~west cares about the liberal order~ propaganda discourse outside the West.

The West has propelled dictatorships and genocide when it saw that as aligned to their material self-interests. They use liberalism and democracy as an instrument only, not as a goal, especially in foreign countries.

If a democracy starts going against their interests on any matter, they will promote regime change undercover and more discreetly. If an autocracy starts doing that, then they will be more open about it and justify it as fighting terrorism or dictatorship in name of liberal values.

However, if a democracy or an autocracy aligns with their interests, they will treat as “liberal allies” no matter the horrors they may commit when they happen to be a dictatorship.

I don't buy most of your arguments, but no doubt that most of the folks attacking you without caring to address the fundamental question stressed above are, in fact, validating you

Most of use don’t have patience for a poster who (by his own standards) supports genocide of Ukrainians saying how westerners are bunch of hypocrites especially when most westerners here made upset about how Palestinians are treated

I don't think RV is a hypocrite per se. He has a Kissingerian worldview where all that matters is who's on whose side and who's not, only he's on a different side than Kissinger. What's infuriating is his belief that anyone who claims nobler motives must be lying, but that's different from hypocrisy.

I don’t believe in that at all. What happens is that I understand that this is how the real world actually works to this day and how leaderships base themselves to act on. Actions matter more than words and virtue-signaling.

Or else, how do YOU explain the Western leaders hypocrisy that Velasco was asking about? Before you all derailed their point in another smokescreen performance in order to try avoiding that conversation once again?

[Red Velvet]

It's certainly a disgrace. We (the western world and its liberal values) will pay a high price for it

https://twitter.com/mattduss/status/1713210261996462512?t=bM7yVJGecfofH5zcd3hd5w...

No one with a brain buys the ~west cares about the liberal order~ propaganda discourse outside the West.

The West has propelled dictatorships and genocide when it saw that as aligned to their material self-interests. They use liberalism and democracy as an instrument only, not as a goal, especially in foreign countries.

If a democracy starts going against their interests on any matter, they will promote regime change undercover and more discreetly. If an autocracy starts doing that, then they will be more open about it and justify it as fighting terrorism or dictatorship in name of liberal values.

However, if a democracy or an autocracy aligns with their interests, they will treat as “liberal allies” no matter the horrors they may commit when they happen to be a dictatorship.

I don't buy most of your arguments, but no doubt that most of the folks attacking you without caring to address the fundamental question stressed above are, in fact, validating you

Most of us don’t have patience for a poster who (by his own standards) supports genocide of Ukrainians saying how westerners are bunch of hypocrites especially when most westerners here made upset about how Palestinians are treated

Gurl, even you don’t believe in that. Read the thread again to see some of the savage stuff said about Palestinians that gets ignored or accepted while an average comment of mine about Westerners hypocrisy gets outrage lol

OSR last comment about Palestinians is a great example.

You and most people here are with the side you identify your own figures more with. And that’s fine. But y’all need to let go of the “moral argument” false protection you use to feel better about that stuff.

This is why I tend to prefer western conservatives like OSR who outright say it because it allows you to know the rules of the game. Liberals believe in the EXACT same stuff and act the same exact way, but they feel more guilty about it so they need to build all this moral narrative story to feel validated.

[Red Velvet]

It's certainly a disgrace. We (the western world and its liberal values) will pay a high price for it

https://twitter.com/mattduss/status/1713210261996462512?t=bM7yVJGecfofH5zcd3hd5w...

No one with a brain buys the ~west cares about the liberal order~ propaganda discourse outside the West.

The West has propelled dictatorships and genocide when it saw that as aligned to their material self-interests. They use liberalism and democracy as an instrument only, not as a goal, especially in foreign countries.

If a democracy starts going against their interests on any matter, they will promote regime change undercover and more discreetly. If an autocracy starts doing that, then they will be more open about it and justify it as fighting terrorism or dictatorship in name of liberal values.

However, if a democracy or an autocracy aligns with their interests, they will treat as “liberal allies” no matter the horrors they may commit when they happen to be a dictatorship.

I don't buy most of your arguments, but no doubt that most of the folks attacking you without caring to address the fundamental question stressed above are, in fact, validating you

Most of use don’t have patience for a poster who (by his own standards) supports genocide of Ukrainians saying how westerners are bunch of hypocrites especially when most westerners here made upset about how Palestinians are treated

I don't think RV is a hypocrite per se. He has a Kissingerian worldview where all that matters is who's on whose side and who's not, only he's on a different side than Kissinger. What's infuriating is his belief that anyone who claims nobler motives must be lying, but that's different from hypocrisy.

I don’t believe in that at all. What happens is that I understand that this is how the real world actually works to this day and how leaderships base themselves to act on. Actions matter more than words and virtue-signaling.

And I've never disputed that to my recollection; what I dispute is the idea that, since leaderships have these motivations, the rest of us can't decide how to feel about international situations based on moral concerns. I don't think Biden is being nearly critical enough of the Israeli response here, whereas if anything I think he's getting too squeamish about continued support from Ukraine, because I'm a human being with beliefs and values, not an avatar of all the worst features of my country's political and military leadership.

Also, please don't edit my screen name in posts quoting me to make me look more right-wing. Who does that?!

Nobody actually. So much that I didn’t lol. Must be something in your username because it happens to anyone in this thread quoting you.

It’s interesting though, because it projects that you see this discussion as some leftism competition or something. I don’t care about whether my ideas and beliefs fall into “leftism”; “marxism” or any other abstract camp or club.