Israel-Gaza war

[Blue3]

Is the Israeli military using white phosphorus in its military attacks? That seems like a war crime to me.

They've denied it. It's also only a war crime in certain circumstances and Israel isn't a signatory to one of the relevant protocols:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/13/israel-military-white-phosphorus-gaza-lebanon

Didn’t they admit to using white phosphorus a few years ago?

[rc18]

https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1713201470445609322?t=nVqK3ZBko7qWO8EC...

[Alben Barkley]

https://twitter.com/AnshelPfeffer/status/1712889669183037501?s=20

[LAKISYLVANIA]

I guess Putin will have some company in The Hague for when they will be tried for war crimes.

[omar04]

https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1713201470445609322?t=nVqK3ZBko7qWO8EC...

It looks more like a gas canister rupturing.

https://twitter.com/HKaaman/status/1713231080197612031

[WalterWhite]

The United States has a responsibility to accept as many refugees as possible. It is virtually impossible to fit 2 million people into half of the Gaza Strip, and thousands of Israelis will rationally flee Israel because of the very REAL threat of Hamas. The United States will probably be the only real option for these people. Egypt has refused to allow Palestinian refugees to enter. Europe is going to be a mixed bag; while some European governments will likely be accommodating, other European governments are controlled by either Islamophobic or anti-Semitic actors (or both), meaning they will NOT accept refugees.

[Isaak]

I guess Putin will have some company in The Hague for when they will be tried for war crimes.

Don't think there will be many living Hamas leaders who can be tried after this war ends.

Europe is going to be a mixed bag; while some European governments will likely be accommodating, other European governments are controlled by either Islamophobic or anti-Semitic actors (or both), meaning they will NOT accept refugees.

What are you talking about? Which European governments are controlled by anti-Semitic actors? And why would any such actor be against accepting refugees from Gaza?

Still, given the anti-Semitic outbursts throughout Western Europe, it would be quite difficult to find anyone in favor of importing "more of the same" – you don't have to be Islamophobic to reach the conclusion that there are major problems with this group.

[No War, but the War on Christmas]

I think the brutal truth is that the Egyptian government would rather the Israelis kill them (directly or indirectly) than have to look after 2 million refugees.

In that case, which party would be the main culprit: Egypt for not accepting them, or Israel for killing them? Should Egypt accept to resettle two million of Gazans in permanent refugee camps located in the Sinai peninsula?

Of course not. Why should Egypt accept the settlement of two million (radicalized) "Palestinians" anywhere on its territory? These people are not Egypt's problem and never will be.

Why "Palestinians" in quotes, and can a child of 14 become 'Radicalized' of their own volition to where it becomes genuinely their fault? Curious.

1. Because there is no such thing as a "Palestinian" people.

2. Yes, of course. 14-year-olds are not empty moral vessels who cannot distinguish between right and wrong. The age of criminal responsibility in most countries of the world is much lower. (And the average "Palestinian" is not a 14-year old in the first place.)

You are disgusting. That's all I'm going to bother saying, or debating, with your ilk.

But at least you said it now rather than hiding behind the language of "Palestinians" and calling for the mass-genocide of children you've decided are wholly responsible for their own impoverishment. Better these things be said in the open, under the light of day, than in other dark recesses where you can later deny it.

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

I guess Putin will have some company in The Hague for when they will be tried for war crimes.

Don't think there will be many living Hamas leaders who can be tried after this war ends.

Europe is going to be a mixed bag; while some European governments will likely be accommodating, other European governments are controlled by either Islamophobic or anti-Semitic actors (or both), meaning they will NOT accept refugees.

What are you talking about? Which European governments are controlled by anti-Semitic actors? And why would any such actor be against accepting refugees from Gaza?

Hungary and Poland, both of which are vocally supporting Israel. Plus almost all European far-right parties who fearmonger about (((Soros))) while also aligning with the Israeli far-right.

Your other comments aren't worth addressing, but wow, German political culture is utterly deranged on this issue.

[Holy Unifying Centrist]

Obviously a lot will unfold and so the answer to this question could change depending on what happens, but it would be interesting to hear someone, if it is assumed reasonable that Israel responds to the attacks, what the alternative is to any of the steps that they have taken so far.

Clearly it is a complicated situation with Gaza being so densely populated, Hamas hiding in civilian areas, etc. But those things are fixed. What is the reasonable alternative?

I am someone who has been critical of actions by the Israeli government in the broader situation, but I suppose on these things I’m just a bit of a realist.

They've already killed all of the Hamas fighters who actually attacked Israel. Otherwise, a targeted assassination on Hamas leadership on Qatar, while technically a violation of their sovereignty (like Eichmann in Argentina) would be infinitely more justified than the mass torture and murder of children.

You know this how?

Source: His asshole

[NOVA Green]

Why is aid or relief from the sea apparently a non-starter?

Israeli naval blockade.

This is occasionally punctured by sealed barrels containing supplies, but nothing else at the moment. We may see more USVs, UUVs and midget submarines sneaking through in the years to come.

If there is an Israeli blockade at the border entrance points and the sea, how did Hamas get all the rockets, weaponry and ammunition into the country to carry out the terrorist attacks?

Tunnels under the Sinai

Also should be noted a substantial amount of the rockets Hamas has have been domestically produced inside Gaza proper using materials readily available within the Strip.

Iran helped provide some of the technical expertise back in the days and the longer range and more accurate systems have been smuggled into the country from Iran via tunnel or sea, but the much more numerous shorter range rockets are mostly produced in "underground" factories within Gaza proper.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/11/middleeast/hamas-weaponry-gaza-israel-palestine-unrest-intl-hnk-ml/index.html

[TiltsAreUnderrated]

Plus almost all European far-right parties who fearmonger about (((Soros))) while also aligning with the Israeli far-right.

Tbf, the picture is a bit more complicated here. A lot of them are sympathetic to Assad (part of their anti-refugee schtick) and a few of the fringe even fought in his Baathist militias. I think at least some of these folks are anti-Israel.

Konfederacja, in Poland, puts some distance between itself and PiS by accusing the latter of not standing up to Israel enough on the matter of WW2 reparations.

There may some differences depending on whether a party is classified as "hard right" or "far right," but there's not enough clarity here for my liking.

[NOVA Green]

Obviously a lot will unfold and so the answer to this question could change depending on what happens, but it would be interesting to hear someone, if it is assumed reasonable that Israel responds to the attacks, what the alternative is to any of the steps that they have taken so far.

Clearly it is a complicated situation with Gaza being so densely populated, Hamas hiding in civilian areas, etc. But those things are fixed. What is the reasonable alternative?

I am someone who has been critical of actions by the Israeli government in the broader situation, but I suppose on these things I’m just a bit of a realist.

They've already killed all of the Hamas fighters who actually attacked Israel. Otherwise, a targeted assassination on Hamas leadership on Qatar, while technically a violation of their sovereignty (like Eichmann in Argentina) would be infinitely more justified than the mass torture and murder of children.

You know this how?

Source: His asshole

Well, I should note that regardless of planets orbiting the Sun, such as Uranus, we do have some information to go on based upon both Israeli and Hamas sources.

Israel has recovered the bodies of roughly 1,500 Palestinian militants from inside Israeli territory.

Early news reports, generally based upon Israeli military and Government figures, were tossing out numbers of about 2,000 Hamas fighters who crossed the border to participate in this operation.

One of the main Hamas military leaders in Gaza, when celebrating the event, referenced 2,000 Hamas fighters directly involved and 1,500 in "supporting" activities.

Thus matching the numbers together one can estimate that roughly 75% of the Hamas fighters who participated in the various direct massacres, assaults on military bases, etc... likely perished within the first day or so.

It is unclear how many of the 1,500 supporting fighters (and does this include other armed factions such as Palestinian Islamic Jihad?), actually crossed the border versus participating in other activities such as destroying border observation towers, blowing up sections of the wall, firing rocket volleys, etc...

Also, Israel has publicly stated that they are making a priority of targeting the elite Hamas commando Brigade which was the primary unit involved.

As such, I would imagine their target selection in Gaza in the days since, has likely killed some of the estimated (500) remaining who retreated back into Gaza.

[NOVA Green]

I'm not quite sure where "the heart of Gaza" is, and if someone could point me to it on a map, might be most interesting in terms of Israeli military strategy.

Regardless, the telegraphing certainly indicates an invasion in depth.

Also, it sounds like the Israeli Government is intending to target the political leadership of Hamas in Gaza as well.

"The Israeli army has assessed the need for a ground incursion in the Gaza Strip, which would require entering the heart of Gaza and reaching Hamas representatives.

The army also said that the operational considerations surrounding the offensive have not yet been decided, including many considerations that came up in discussions with the political establishment."

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-10-14/ty-article-live/

[Coldstream]

Plus almost all European far-right parties who fearmonger about (((Soros))) while also aligning with the Israeli far-right.

Tbf, the picture is a bit more complicated here. A lot of them are sympathetic to Assad (part of their anti-refugee schtick) and a few of the fringe even fought in his Baathist militias. I think at least some of these folks are anti-Israel.

Konfederacja, in Poland, puts some distance between itself and PiS by accusing the latter of not standing up to Israel enough on the matter of WW2 reparations.

There may some differences depending on whether a party is classified as "hard right" or "far right," but there's not enough clarity here for my liking.

A couple of neo-Nazi party’s like Assad, but the average far right person in Europe nowadays like Israel.

Partly reactionary (left hates Israel therefore we like Israel), partly an admiration of perceived ethnocentrism, and I’m sure part of it is that it keeps the Jews out of Eastern Europe.

Although it’s worth noting that even Golden Dawn voted to strengthen security ties with Israel in the European Parliament. There are very few parties even on the far right that hate Jews more than Muslims nowadays. Or at least, prioritise hating Jews over Muslims.

[Velasco]

The United States has a responsibility to accept as many refugees as possible. It is virtually impossible to fit 2 million people into half of the Gaza Strip, and thousands of Israelis will rationally flee Israel because of the very REAL threat of Hamas. The United States will probably be the only real option for these people. Egypt has refused to allow Palestinian refugees to enter. Europe is going to be a mixed bag; while some European governments will likely be accommodating, other European governments are controlled by either Islamophobic or anti-Semitic actors (or both), meaning they will NOT accept refugees.

You are assuming the outcome will be a massive ethnic cleansing, something akin to a second Nakba. Am I wrong? Is that a widespread opinion in western countries? Would the western world be in a position to claim any kind of moral superiority over its 'multipolar' rivals allowing Israel to expel the Gazans? These questions will matter in the years to come

[Velasco]

It's certainly a disgrace. We (the western world and its liberal values) will pay a high price for it

https://twitter.com/mattduss/status/1713210261996462512?t=bM7yVJGecfofH5zcd3hd5w...

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

https://twitter.com/PressSec/status/1712945453736554544?s=20
Unfortunate news. How did they die? Bear attack?

[Red Velvet]

Video from 2021 to illustrate some of the things Palestinians always had to endure and yet it never was worth getting the “Western outrage” like they give it to Ukraine:

https://twitter.com/theramrum/status/1712494445650694487
~Invading someone else’s land to take it for you is evil and wrong and opens a dangerous precedent where this kind of stuff is validated as fair game!~

Depends on the color of your skin and religion, apparently.

[TiltsAreUnderrated]

Video from 2021 to illustrate some of the things Palestinians always had to endure and yet it never was worth getting the “Western outrage” like they give it to Ukraine:

~Invading someone else’s land to take it for you is evil and wrong and opens a dangerous precedent where this kind of stuff is validated as fair game!~

Depends on the color of your skin and religion, apparently.

You called Israel part of the "global south" when it was palling around with various dictatorships, and have repeatedly expressed a desire for the West to stop "lecturing" the global south. Our leaders are monstrously hypocritical, but you, personally, have no place to talk.

Reducing it to race is idiotic, too. There are plenty of Palestinians who look whiter than your average Israeli, and they get little to no more sympathy than the rest of them.

[Coldstream]

Video from 2021 to illustrate some of the things Palestinians always had to endure and yet it never was worth getting the “Western outrage” like they give it to Ukraine:

https://twitter.com/theramrum/status/1712494445650694487
~Invading someone else’s land to take it for you is evil and wrong and opens a dangerous precedent where this kind of stuff is validated as fair game!~

Depends on the color of your skin and religion, apparently.

Out of curiosity - do you actually care about the people of Palestine? Or indeed…anywhere?

Or is this just a gotcha game to you? “hehehe look how smart I am to point out the hypocrisy of you western fools”.

[Hindsight was 2020]

Red Velvet the cake is a serviceable desert, Red Velvet the poster is a useless

[Red Velvet]

It's certainly a disgrace. We (the western world and its liberal values) will pay a high price for it

https://twitter.com/mattduss/status/1713210261996462512?t=bM7yVJGecfofH5zcd3hd5w...

No one with a brain buys the ~west cares about the liberal order~ propaganda discourse outside the West.

The West has propelled dictatorships and genocide when it saw that as aligned to their material self-interests. They use liberalism and democracy as an instrument only, not as a goal, especially in foreign countries.

If a democracy starts going against their interests on any matter, they will promote regime change undercover and more discreetly. If an autocracy starts doing that, then they will be more open about it and justify it as fighting terrorism or dictatorship in name of liberal values.

However, if a democracy or an autocracy aligns with their interests, they will treat as “liberal allies” no matter the horrors they may commit when they happen to be a dictatorship.

[WalterWhite]

The concept of the "Global South" is useless from a geopolitical sense. Countries are still generally either aligned with the Western world (i.e. the US and its allies) or the Eastern world (i.e. Russia and its allies).

[Hindsight was 2020]

https://twitter.com/noelreports/status/1713210433883033919?s=12
Ground invasion likely next week ☹️