January 6th legal proceedings and investigations megathread

[emailking]

Trump's reaction tonight:

Will Trump Hating Prosecutor Jack Smith be investigating the FACT that they SPIED on my campaign, even as I was in the Oval Office, they Stuffed the Ballot Boxes (per 2000 Mules),  used Covid to cheat, that the FBI pushed Twitter & Facebook  around, causing massive voter disruption, and so much more? That’s really what he should be looking at, not asking a very decent Mike Pence why he didn’t send the votes back to State Legislatures for scrutinization, which he could have done. Get the RIGGERS!

[GeorgiaModerate]

https://twitter.com/BradMossEsq/status/1625155989237293061

[GeorgiaModerate]

https://twitter.com/TamarHallerman/status/1625268419577651201

Tamar has been the AJC's principal reporter on the Georgia election investigation and is worth following if you're interested in it.

[emailking]

Pence to fight special counsel subpoena on Trump’s 2020 election denial

Mike Pence is preparing to resist a grand jury subpoena for testimony about former President Donald Trump’s push to overturn the 2020 election, according to two people familiar with the former vice president’s thinking.

Pence’s decision to challenge Special Counsel Jack Smith’s request has little to do with executive privilege, the people said. Rather, Pence is set to argue that his former role as president of the Senate — therefore a member of the legislative branch — shields him from certain Justice Department demands.

Pence allies say he is covered by the constitutional provision that protects congressional officials from legal proceedings related to their work — language known as the “speech or debate” clause. The clause, Pence allies say, legally binds federal prosecutors from compelling Pence to testify about the central components of Smith’s investigation. If Pence testifies, they say, it could jeopardize the separation of powers that the Constitution seeks to safeguard.

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/02/14/pence-subpoena-trump-election-00082637

Inverse of the argument he used not to testify to the committee lol.

[GeorgiaModerate]

Pence to fight special counsel subpoena on Trump’s 2020 election denial

Mike Pence is preparing to resist a grand jury subpoena for testimony about former President Donald Trump’s push to overturn the 2020 election, according to two people familiar with the former vice president’s thinking.

Pence’s decision to challenge Special Counsel Jack Smith’s request has little to do with executive privilege, the people said. Rather, Pence is set to argue that his former role as president of the Senate — therefore a member of the legislative branch — shields him from certain Justice Department demands.

Pence allies say he is covered by the constitutional provision that protects congressional officials from legal proceedings related to their work — language known as the “speech or debate” clause. The clause, Pence allies say, legally binds federal prosecutors from compelling Pence to testify about the central components of Smith’s investigation. If Pence testifies, they say, it could jeopardize the separation of powers that the Constitution seeks to safeguard.

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/02/14/pence-subpoena-trump-election-00082637

Inverse of the argument he used not to testify to the committee lol.

I don't think this argument will fly in the end, but it will delay things.

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Trump chief of staff Mark Meadows subpoenaed by special counsel in Jan. 6 investigation

Donald Trump’s former chief of staff Mark Meadows has been subpoenaed by the special counsel investigating the former president and his role in the January 6, 2021, insurrection, a source familiar with the matter told CNN.

Special counsel Jack Smith’s office is seeking documents and testimony related to January 6, and Meadows received the subpoena sometime in January, the source said. An attorney for Meadows declined to comment.

The Justice Department did not respond to CNN’s request for comment on the subpoena.

The move to subpoena one of Trump’s most senior aides – in addition to the recent subpoena of former Vice President Mike Pence, as CNN reported last week – marks the latest significant step in the special counsel’s investigation into Trump’s role in seeking to overturn the outcome of the 2020 election.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/15/politics/mark-meadows-subpoena/index.html

[Crumpets]

https://twitter.com/TamarHallerman/status/1626252854179639297

[Frodo]

https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/1626263145797849089

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

The idea that there wasn't Eday fraud in GA is laughable that's why people don't vote they just want to indict Meadows or Guiliani instead of Trump the same with the Mueller report

We supposed to get anxious on a Trump pending indictment on any of the other two prosecution

The Grand Jury we don't know if they were all white or female it wasn't any Blks on it because its GA

That's why Trump is never gonna get back into office the Rust belt isn't the S and many of these investigation had nothing to do with our daily lives of bringing down 7 percent inflation viewership is down all over Cable news why watch it if Trump gets off Scott free we can not vote for him, we still have people not getting refunds because IRS is going after people, why did they stop stimulus because they want to go after people cheating on taxes

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

The Silver lining to all this is that Biden Docugate isn't that big of a deal since Trump is getting off as a previous Prez

[GeorgiaModerate]

This is an interesting read:

https://twitter.com/stphnfwlr/status/1628018402261434371

[GeorgiaModerate]

More from the grand jury foreperson:

https://twitter.com/TamarHallerman/status/1628145504818274308

[emailking]

Sounds like she's all but saying they recommended indicting Trump.

[GeorgiaModerate]

Sounds like she's all but saying they recommended indicting Trump.

That's how I interpreted it.

[Torie]

Sounds like she's all but saying they recommended indicting Trump.

That's how I interpreted it.

Who knew? Prosecuting based on the infamous Trump phone call, and the insane legal theory to seat rogue GA electors, would be a terrible mistake.  There is no crime there, as a higher court at some point,  maybe SCOTUS will make clear. Hawking in broad daylight insane legal theories is not a crime, and to interrupt what Trump said as beyond a reasonable doubt, that he was asking the GA SOS to criminally falsify (God knows how he would do it), the vote count, as opposed to just venting, damn it I know I won, there has to be a counting error, find it damn it), would be a travesty.

The press is by and large a POS on this matter. Sloppy thinking, here, there and everywhere. And if the GA action goes forward, and Trump beats it like a drum (this broken down old lawyer's take), it just might make him POTUS again, with Ukraine flushed down the toilet. Think about that one for a moment.

I cried almost when Biden and now Pence was found with docs they should not have had. I really almost did.  What a sad political class we have.  Just pathetic.

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Raffensperger said he was threatened.

[GeorgiaModerate]

Sounds like she's all but saying they recommended indicting Trump.

That's how I interpreted it.

Who knew? Prosecuting based on the infamous Trump phone call, and the insane legal theory to seat rogue GA electors, would be a terrible mistake.  There is no crime there, as a higher court at some point,  maybe SCOTUS will make clear. Hawking in broad daylight insane legal theories is not a crime, and to interrupt what Trump said as beyond a reasonable doubt, that he was asking the GA SOS to criminally falsify (God knows how he would do it), the vote count, as opposed to just venting, damn it I know I won, there has to be a counting error, find it damn it), would be a travesty.

The press is by and large a POS on this matter. Sloppy thinking, here, there and everywhere. And if the GA action goes forward, and Trump beats it like a drum (this broken down old lawyer's take), it just might make him POTUS again, with Ukraine flushed down the toilet. Think about that one for a moment.

I cried almost when Biden and now Pence was found with docs they should not have had. I really almost did.  What a sad political class we have.  Just pathetic.

Fani Willis, the Fulton County DA, has had a strong reputation as a prosecutor ever since the Atlanta Public Schools cheating scandal several years ago.  I'm pretty confident that she won't bring any indictments for which she doesn't think she can get a conviction.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

It's over for Trump multiple indictment no matter whom is indicted and that includes Guiliani

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Sounds like she's all but saying they recommended indicting Trump.

That's how I interpreted it.

Who knew? Prosecuting based on the infamous Trump phone call, and the insane legal theory to seat rogue GA electors, would be a terrible mistake.  There is no crime there, as a higher court at some point,  maybe SCOTUS will make clear. Hawking in broad daylight insane legal theories is not a crime, and to interrupt what Trump said as beyond a reasonable doubt, that he was asking the GA SOS to criminally falsify (God knows how he would do it), the vote count, as opposed to just venting, damn it I know I won, there has to be a counting error, find it damn it), would be a travesty.

The press is by and large a POS on this matter. Sloppy thinking, here, there and everywhere. And if the GA action goes forward, and Trump beats it like a drum (this broken down old lawyer's take), it just might make him POTUS again, with Ukraine flushed down the toilet. Think about that one for a moment.

I cried almost when Biden and now Pence was found with docs they should not have had. I really almost did.  What a sad political class we have.  Just pathetic.

They listened to Trump phone calls that haven’t been publicly released and lots of witness testimony.  I think it’s a mighty big assumption to say that an indictment would be based solely on that phone call.  We don’t necessarily know what we don’t know here.

[Torie]

I am skeptical there is some smoking gun not reported in the press, but sure, it's possible.

[emailking]

Well the juror said she hadn't heard the phone call before her it was played for them, and she didn't seem to think it was the definitive evidence.

The phone call we've heard can also be part of a larger picture.

[emailking]

Given her effusive praise for Graham and Giuliani, I guess we can infer they are not among the witnesses the GJ wants indicted for perjury.

[emailking]

On CNN they reported as an exclusive that the Georgia prosecutors are debating whether to bring charges with very limited scope or whether they will indict many people and prosecute it like a RICO case. There's no story I can find on it.

[GeorgiaModerate]

https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/1628499255181680642

[Inmate Trump]

Emily Kohrs.

What was this woman thinking? She's the best the Grand Jury could come up with to make forewoman? And shame on the media for pressing her to go further and further.

Kohrs has singlehandedly complicated the case, and her actions call into question the integrity of the entire process. Totally unprofessional, and she seems like a bimbo gushing about how she would've liked to subpoena Trump simply so she could swear him in and get her 60 seconds with him.

All of this might be just enough to allow Trump to escape any kind of justice yet again.