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« on: July 19, 2021, 02:30:36 PM »

The prosecutors asked for 18 months, so he actually got off easy.
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« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2021, 06:06:29 PM »


They only get to name 5, and Pelosi can veto. On the commission they would have had equal representation and no Democrat veto.
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« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2021, 11:32:57 AM »

Pelosi is apparently objecting to Banks and Jordan. Not sure if that means she's vetoing them.
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« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2021, 01:13:10 PM »

McCarthy has pulled his remaining picks. So its just gonna be Dems plus Cheney

Can Pelosi add Adam Kinzinger (if he were to accept)?
Does anyone know if the rules would allow this?

Not unless one of her picks pulls out or they pass an amended resolution. Otherwise she'd have to pull someone.

Kinzinger said he didn't want to do it (but would if asked) which may be why she went with Cheney.
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« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2021, 10:50:44 PM »

If you all you wanted was the Congressional debate ok fine, but that's not what happened.
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« Reply #5 on: July 21, 2021, 11:06:22 PM »

If you all you wanted was the Congressional debate ok fine, but that's not what happened.
Again, I blame Donald C. Trump for letting Mike T. Pence whisk him to the White House. If Trump was less of a coward and Pence was less of a traitor, Trump marches to the capitol without incident, makes some speeches, debate happens, Biden is certified a few hours later, everyone goes home and that's that.

Ok when you call Pence a traitor it indicates to me you didn't just want the Congressional debate. He didn't stop the debate for Arizona or Pennsylvania which met the requirements for having the debate.
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« Reply #6 on: July 21, 2021, 11:09:40 PM »

Pretty sure Trump has command authority over the Secret Service and could have told them to take him wherever he wanted to go.
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« Reply #7 on: July 23, 2021, 12:15:16 AM »



This appears to be selectively edited in that the guy appears to have confirmed it right before that.
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« Reply #8 on: July 23, 2021, 01:26:08 PM »

That's nice. Please provide a cued link if you want to be taken seriously.

Dude I have no idea. You posted it. It appears to be selectively edited. The guy says he didn't see "many other" not any.
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« Reply #9 on: July 25, 2021, 03:36:16 PM »

Yeah he said in another thread the T is for traitor because he claims Pence told the Secret Service to drive Trump back to the White House so he couldn't lead a peaceful rally that went into the night and allowed 6 states to have debates in the joint session.
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« Reply #10 on: August 02, 2021, 11:03:56 PM »

That is so terrible and heartbreaking. I can't imagine what these people have been suffering through.
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« Reply #11 on: August 10, 2021, 10:52:10 AM »

I was a little surprised that all the revelations about Jeffrey Clark haven't gotten any discussion. At least on USGD I haven't seen anything.
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« Reply #12 on: September 14, 2021, 06:55:37 PM »

What's with all the people on this site who say to take Woodward with a grain of salt?
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« Reply #13 on: September 29, 2021, 11:06:30 PM »

Maybe the title changed but former is not in the title. His medals have not been stripped.
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« Reply #14 on: October 09, 2021, 08:10:28 PM »

Like it matters. He won't comply. Subpoenas are meaningless.

They've threatened a criminal referral for Bannon if he doesn't comply (currently asserting he can't because of Executive Privilege). If that happens, it wont be meaningless.
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« Reply #15 on: November 08, 2021, 04:10:54 PM »

January 6 committee issues 6 subpoenas to top Trump campaign associates, including Michael Flynn and John Eastman

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The House select committee investigating the deadly January 6 riot on Capitol Hill announced Monday it is issuing six additional subpoenas to top Trump campaign associates as it continues to seek testimony and documents from key witnesses in the sweeping probe.

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The six subpoenas are going to:

    -Trump 2020 campaign manager William Stepien
    -Former senior adviser to the campaign Jason Miller
    -John Eastman, an attorney who helped craft Trump's argument that the election was stolen
    -Michael Flynn, who was involved in meeting about how the Trump campaign wanted to promote the lie that the election was stolen
    -Angela McCallum, national executive assistant to former President Trump's 2020 reelection campaign
    -Bernard Kerik, who participated in a meeting at the Willard Hotel centered around overturing election results.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/08/politics/january-6-committee-subpoenas/index.html
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« Reply #16 on: November 08, 2021, 05:14:10 PM »

There's no way a decision has been made on Bannon already. No matter who was AG, we would still be waiting. 
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« Reply #17 on: November 09, 2021, 03:28:20 PM »

January 6 committee issues 10 more subpoenas including to Stephen Miller and Kayleigh McEnany

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The House committee investigating the deadly January 6 riot at the US Capitol announced on Tuesday a new batch of 10 subpoenas to former White House officials under President Donald Trump, as the panel charges ahead in seeking testimony and documents from witnesses relevant to its probe.

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    -Nicholas Luna, former President Donald Trump's personal assistant
    -Molly Michael, Trump's special assistant to the President and Oval Office operations coordinator
    -Ben Williamson, Trump's deputy assistant to the President and senior adviser to then-chief of staff Mark Meadows
    -Christopher Liddell, former Trump White House deputy chief of staff
    -John McEntee, Trump's White House personnel director
    -Keith Kellogg, national security adviser to then-Vice President Mike Pence
    -Kayleigh McEnany, former White House press secretary under Trump
    -Stephen Miller, Trump senior adviser
    -Cassidy Hutchinson, special assistant to the President for legislative affairs
    -Kenneth Klukowski, former senior counsel to Assistant Attorney General Jeffrey Clark.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/09/politics/january-6-subpoenas-stephen-miller/index.html
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« Reply #18 on: November 09, 2021, 08:37:47 PM »

Article argues it's a good sign the Bannon decision hasn't happened yet.

Steve Bannon's subpoena case is taking longer than we want it to. That's a good thing.

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At first glance, the case for enforcing the subpoena for Steve Bannon to testify before the Jan. 6 committee seems straightforward. But now, more than two weeks since the House made its referral to the Justice Department, people are starting to wonder what’s taking so long. (After all, some may recall, an indictment was handed up just eight days after the last similar referral from Congress to the Justice Department — the prosecution in 1983 of Rita Lavelle, the former head of the Environmental Protection Agency’s toxic waste programs. The government lost that case.)

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There’s an old saying prosecutors like to repeat to one another: If you shoot at the king, you’d best not miss. Roughly translated, that means don’t indict a suspect before your evidence is in place. The government bears the burden of proof beyond a reasonable doubt, the highest standard of proof we use in our legal system, and to meet that burden, the prosecution must have admissible evidence of guilt. Prosecutors can’t rely on what everyone thinks they know or what people believe. Ensuring they have evidence to establish every element of a crime, even in a matter that seems as self-proving as this one, takes time and effort.

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The basics of preparing to indict, including obtaining evidence the prosecution needs in an admissible form, can take time. Subpoenas have to be authorized, cut and served on people and entities from which prosecutors seek information. It takes time for subpoenaed materials to be returned to the grand jury. While there’s no way to know whether the Justice Department is using grand jury subpoenas to compile evidence in this case, it’s entirely possible. That process can add weeks before prosecutors have the essential evidence they need to indict.

https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/steve-bannon-s-subpoena-case-taking-longer-usual-s-good-n1283539
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« Reply #19 on: November 11, 2021, 12:08:35 PM »

Article argues it's a good sign the Bannon decision hasn't happened yet.

Steve Bannon's subpoena case is taking longer than we want it to. That's a good thing.


https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/steve-bannon-s-subpoena-case-taking-longer-usual-s-good-n1283539

It's an opinion piece.

I wasn't trying to pass it off as something else. The Justice Department is not going to say anything about this until there's a decision.
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« Reply #20 on: November 12, 2021, 01:02:10 PM »

Meadows did not appear. His attorney says he is immune from testifying to Congress based on previous Justice Department opinions.
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« Reply #21 on: November 22, 2021, 05:45:54 PM »

New January 6 committee subpoenas issued for 5 Trump allies including Roger Stone and Alex Jones

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The House select committee investigating the January 6 riot issued a new round of subpoenas on Monday to five of former President Donald Trump's allies directly involved in planning "Stop the Steal" rallies, including longtime Republican operative Roger Stone and conspiracy theorist Alex Jones.

The latest batch of subpoenas indicates the committee continues to focus, in part, on organizers and funding of the "Stop the Steal" rallies that took place on January 5 and 6, as well as earlier rallies in the months leading up to the US Capitol attack.

Also subpoenaed by the committee Monday: Dustin Stockton and Jennifer Lawrence, key players in the "Stop the Steal" movement after the election.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/22/politics/roger-stone-alex-jones-subpoenas-january-6/index.html
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« Reply #22 on: November 30, 2021, 12:06:54 PM »

Exclusive: Meadows reaches deal for initial cooperation with January 6 investigators

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Donald Trump's former chief of staff Mark Meadows is cooperating with the House select committee investigating the January 6 riot and is providing records and agreeing to appear for an initial interview, CNN exclusively has learned.

The move represents a critical shift in the relationship between the top Trump ally and the panel, and staving off a criminal contempt referral for now.

"Mr. Meadows has been engaging with the Select Committee through his attorney," Democratic Rep. Bennie Thompson of Mississippi who chairs the committee said in a statement. "He has produced records to the committee and will soon appear for an initial deposition. The Select Committee expects all witnesses, including Mr. Meadows, to provide all information requested and that the Select Committee is lawfully entitled to receive. The Committee will continue to assess his degree of compliance with our subpoena after the deposition."

https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/30/politics/mark-meadows-january-6-committee/index.html
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« Reply #23 on: December 08, 2021, 12:02:30 PM »

January 6 committee says it is moving forward with criminal contempt for Mark Meadows

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The House select committee investigating the January 6 riot informed Mark Meadows that they have "no choice" but to advance criminal contempt proceedings against him given that former President Donald Trump's former chief of staff has decided to no longer cooperate with the panel, according to a new letter.

"The Select Committee is left with no choice but to advance contempt proceedings and recommend that the body in which Mr. Meadows once served refer him for criminal prosecution," committee Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat wrote in a letter dated December 7.

The letter also reveals new details about the previous correspondence between the two parties, and shares for the first time in greater detail what information Meadows had voluntarily turned over to the committee.

Prior to Meadows' decision to halt cooperation with the committee, he had turned over approximately 6,000 pages worth of documents to the panel. Among those pages, Thompson reveals that Meadows supplied the committee with significant information from both his personal email account and personal cell phone that are relevant to the committee's investigation.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/08/politics/mark-meadows-contempt-congress/index.html
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« Reply #24 on: December 09, 2021, 10:35:30 AM »

Criminal contempt is fine and all, but does Congress really not have the power to enforce their own subpoenas? When you fail to show up to a court of law in Texas at the scheduled time for a subpoena, the judge issues a writ of attachment, the county sheriff goes and arrests you, brings you to the courtroom in handcuffs, and puts you in the witness stand. Does Congress really not have the authority to have law enforcement arrange transportation for uncooperative witnesses? If not, they should, idk, pass a law about that.

They can have them arrested and held at the Capitol until they agree to testify. They're just choosing not to go that route.
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