Russia-Ukraine war and related tensions Megathread

[Badger]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-61044063

Ukraine: Inside the spies’ attempts to stop the war

A free BBC article about the efforts of the American-Anglo intelligence community and how the information was publicly utilized to try and stop the war or at the very least least prevent false flag operations by Russia being viewed as plausible.  

The gist is that the A-A community had lost credibility over Iraq so they were still being viewed skeptically by many European countries, however, their public accuracy made it easier to rally European sentiment for Ukraine.

George Bush Jr's decision to randomly invade a country and blame 'intelligence failures' for his manufactured pretext will haunt us for a generation.

Stop comparing our invasion to the Russian one . Suddam Hussain was actually an evil dictator and did have WMD’s at one point even if he didn’t in 2003

Shut up beep boop. Read the room.

[NOVA Green]

So naturally Putin's Repression against Russian Anti-War activists doesn't tent to get tons of coverage (For Obvious reasons), but here's a bit of sample from OVD News Express from just the past couple dayz...

Plz Atlas Mods don't make a huge deal for simply quoting from a non-profit Russian Human Rights Organization.

I almost quit the thread and Atlas last time got "over-modded" for reporting from the Russian Underground, but really Russian Human Rights Organizations are simply trying to get the message out and are no profit centers whatsoever.

20:53 Khakassia
Mikhail Afanasyev, editor-in-chief of the New Focus publication, was detained in Abakan
20:38 Moscow
A journalist from the newspaper Rabochy Kontrol was detained near the Trinity Forest
20:32 Kalmykia
In Kalmykia, a criminal case was opened against an employee of the mayor's office under the article "fake" about the RF Armed Forces
20:12 Crimea
In Crimea, a handyman was prosecuted under an article on the spread of "fake news" about the Russian army
18:32 St. Petersburg
Participant of anti-corruption protests in 2017 was transferred to St. Petersburg after being extradited from Ukraine
16:24 Ryazan Oblast
Against documentary filmmaker Sergei Yerzhenkov filed a case of vandalism because of the inscription on the monument to Lenin
15:55 Moscow
The person involved in the "sanitary case" Dmitry Baranovsky was denied a cassation
15:43 Moscow
The editorial office of the Altai opposition newspaper LISTOK was searched. The editor-in-chief was arrested
15:15 Tyumen region
Resident of Tyumen arrested for two weeks for shouting out the greetings of the "Right Sector" in a cafe
14:35 All Russia
"Yandex.Music" removed the daily podcast of the Russian service "BBC" about the war with Ukraine
13:05 Not Russia
Former coordinator of Alexei Navalny's headquarters in Chelyabinsk left Russia
12:03 Not Russia
Cartoonist Sergey Yolkin left Russia
11:33 Primorsky Krai
In Vladivostok, the activist was finally charged in the case of incitement to extremism
04/12/2022
20:57 Vladimir region
Witnesses in the case of anti-war graffiti in Vladimir left Russia
20:51 Kabardino-Balkaria
Convicted Crimean anarchist may change camp regime to prison
18:47 Moscow
The Moscow City Court approved the arrest of an activist who was driving a car with an anti-war flag
17:39 Moscow
Gathered people are detained outside the court in the DOXA case
17:20 Moscow
The court in cassation reduced the term of the convicted person in the case of participation in the "Right Sector" by two months
16:57 Moscow
DOXA editors sentenced to two years hard labor
16:38 Moscow
Court in Moscow arrests politician Vladimir Kara-Murza for 15 days on charges of police disobedience
16:02 Tula region
In Tula, an LGBT activist was arrested because of publications on social networks for the second time in a row
15:39 Kemerovo region
Kemerovo journalist was finally charged under the article about "fake" about the RF Armed Forces
15:26 All Russia
VKontakte blocked the page of an activist who wrote about the war in Ukraine
14:59 Moscow
Roman Pichuzhin, person involved in the “palace case”, was denied a cassation
14:21 Novosibirsk region
The Court of Cassation left the decision in the case against the shaman Gabyshev unchanged
13:22 Krasnodar region
Sochi Court Convicts Four Jehovah's Witnesses
12:03 Dagestan
Dagestani human rights activist who left Russia spoke about the visit of the security forces to her 93-year-old mother
11:22 All Russia
Roskomnadzor blocked the magazine about cryptocurrencies due to the anti-war position of the editors
10:40 Stavropol region
Judge disqualifies in case of protester in Ingushetia
04/11/2022
22:12 Moscow region
A resident of Mozhaisk was given a preventive measure in the case of painting a poster with the letter Z,
21:18 Moscow
In Moscow, a Colombian was sent to a pre-trial detention center in the case of "fake" because of posts on social networks
21:03 Crimea
A protocol was drawn up against the Crimean Tatar due to the lack of a license to conduct prayers
20:40 Kemerovo region
A local resident was arrested in Kemerovo because of the symbols of the FBK on the page in VKontakte
18:59 Moscow
Police detain politician Vladimir Kara-Murza in Moscow
18:54 Krasnoyarsk region
Court in Krasnoyarsk Territory upholds sentence for Jehovah's Witness Anton Ostapenko
18:49 Sakhalin region
On Sakhalin, the Uglegorskiye Novosti was liquidated, where they criticized the local authorities and the coal company
18:41 St. Petersburg
In St. Petersburg, the performer of anti-war songs was detained in a criminal case
17:38 Khabarovsk region
In Khabarovsk, the police disrupted a meeting for psychologists about the specifics of working with LGBT clients
17:04 Ivanovo region
Olga Bendas, a person involved in the “palace case”, was placed in a punishment cell immediately after being transferred to a colony
16:11 Arhangelsk region
The former head of Navalny's headquarters in Arkhangelsk was transferred to a colony after a second appeal
15:37 All Russia
Pavel Chikov spoke about new criminal cases under the article on vandalism due to anti-war speeches
14:52 Moscow
Former DOXA editor Natasha Tyszkiewicz approved 15 days of arrest
14:38 Pskov region
VKontakte blocked the page of the head of the Pskov Yabloko Lev Shlosberg
14:19 St. Petersburg
A resident of St. Petersburg was sentenced to compulsory labor for a photo of Krasnov on the Immortal Regiment website
12:09 Novosibirsk region
Shaman Alexander Gabyshev was transferred from one psychiatric hospital to another

https://ovd.news/express-news

[Woody]

https://mobile.twitter.com/War_Mapper/status/1514032735408594948
https://mobile.twitter.com/War_Mapper/status/1514393355802791940

[Logical]

https://mobile.twitter.com/War_Mapper/status/1514032735408594948
https://mobile.twitter.com/War_Mapper/status/1514393355802791940

A few kilometers of no man's land captured is never going to erase the absolute humiliation of losing your flagship to a shore based battery.

[It’s so Joever]

“Pro Ukraine” Woodbury failed to mention to counterattack in Kherson also mentioned by the same Twitter user today. I am starting to regret defending him, his allegiances are dubious.

[Woody]

“Pro Ukraine” Woodbury failed to mention to counterattack in Kherson also mentioned by the same Twitter user today. I am starting to regret defending him, his allegiances are dubious.

There has been only reports and no confirmation by him in his maps, the guy literally said it himself. It's also a village far away in the border of the oblast, so it's insignificant until it's capture has been confirmed.

[Yoda]

Does anyone know what 'cultural genocide' is in fluent Russian? Yikes.

https://twitter.com/KevinRothrock/status/1514237235159252999?s=20&t=UyAhK1Bf...

I wish someone would liberate her wretched head from her wretched shoulders, King Thranduil style. I mean my God this woman is openly talking about brainwashing kidnapped orphans, who's families were murdered by russian buthcers. They're going to erase these kids' memories of their homes and of their parents; God knows what other f***** up lies they are going to drill into them.

[Yoda]

Mi-17 helicopters will be sent after all.
https://twitter.com/MarcusReports/status/1514315795035299850

Halle-f******-lujah FINALLY some artillery! Now get them some F-16's and if that's not feasible get them the most advanced anti-air defense systems we can.

[Middle-aged Europe]

New German poll numbers. Voters are aligning with their government in opposition to a gas embargo, while at the same time opposing the government (or at least the Chancellor, since the government is in disagreement with itself here) when it comes to stronger military aid. In a bout of historical irony, voters of the formerly pacifist Greens have become the strongest supporters of strong military aid to Ukraine.


Infratest dimap for ARD-Deutschlandtrend (conducted 04/11 and 04/12, released 04/14)

Opinion on an immediate embargo on Russian oil and gas
Support 40%
Oppose 48%

Support broken down by party affiliation
Greens 58%
SPD 44%
FDP 44%
CDU/CSU 38%
AfD 10%

Opinion on providing Ukraine with "heavy weapons" (tanks etc.)
Support 55%
Oppose 37%

Support broken down by party affiliation
Greens 72%
SPD 66%
FDP 65%
CDU/CSU 63%
AfD 20%

[Yoda]

More Americans think the United States is responsible (somehow) for Putin invading Ukraine than do Japan, the United Kingdom, Germany, France, and Brazil.  And South Africa.  So pretty much matching India. 

The "somehow" is Tucker Carlson and the rest of the pro-fascist, pro-Putin right wing media figures who blame literally everyone in the world but the country that actually invaded another for no reason.

[Middle-aged Europe]

More Americans think the United States is responsible (somehow) for Putin invading Ukraine than do Japan, the United Kingdom, Germany, France, and Brazil.  And South Africa.  So pretty much matching India. 

The "somehow" is Tucker Carlson and the rest of the pro-fascist, pro-Putin right wing media figures who blame literally everyone in the world but the country that actually invaded another for no reason.

UKRAINIAN BIOLABS !!!!

[DavidB.]

New German poll numbers. Voters are aligning with their government in opposition to a gas embargo, while at the same time opposing the government (or at least the Chancellor, since the government is in disagreement with itself here) when it comes to stronger military aid. In a bout of historical irony, voters of the formerly pacifist Greens have become the strongest supporters of strong military aid to Ukraine.


Infratest dimap for ARD-Deutschlandtrend (conducted 04/11 and 04/12, released 04/14)

Opinion on an immediate embargo on Russian oil and gas
Support 40%
Oppose 48%

Support broken down by party affiliation
Greens 58%
SPD 44%
FDP 44%
CDU/CSU 38%
AfD 10%

Opinion on providing Ukraine with "heavy weapons" (tanks etc.)
Support 55%
Oppose 37%

Support broken down by party affiliation
Greens 72%
SPD 66%
FDP 65%
CDU/CSU 63%
AfD 20%

No numbers for Die Linke?

[Middle-aged Europe]

New German poll numbers. Voters are aligning with their government in opposition to a gas embargo, while at the same time opposing the government (or at least the Chancellor, since the government is in disagreement with itself here) when it comes to stronger military aid. In a bout of historical irony, voters of the formerly pacifist Greens have become the strongest supporters of strong military aid to Ukraine.


Infratest dimap for ARD-Deutschlandtrend (conducted 04/11 and 04/12, released 04/14)

Opinion on an immediate embargo on Russian oil and gas
Support 40%
Oppose 48%

Support broken down by party affiliation
Greens 58%
SPD 44%
FDP 44%
CDU/CSU 38%
AfD 10%

Opinion on providing Ukraine with "heavy weapons" (tanks etc.)
Support 55%
Oppose 37%

Support broken down by party affiliation
Greens 72%
SPD 66%
FDP 65%
CDU/CSU 63%
AfD 20%

No numbers for Die Linke?

I noticed as well that they sometimes neglect to include the Left lately, presumably because as a 4% party they're too small of a pool or something.

I would assume their numbers on military aid would be similar to the AfD's, but more like SPD/CDU/FDP's on gas embargo?

[TiltsAreUnderrated]

It seems unlikely given how badly they are outmatched, but hopefully the remnants of the Ukrainian Navy and Sea Guard snuck a salvage team in after the Moskva sank. The Russians abandoning ship probably left some spare parts for valuable systems like the S-300 behind.

[Logical]

Update on the Moskva. I have my doubts on the Russian claim. We should have some satellite images in a few hours to verify how badly damaged she is. If she has only been crippled, I don't see why Ukraine won't launch another strike to finish her off.
https://twitter.com/Liveuamap/status/1514542248557486086

[CumbrianLefty]

What's really striking about that poll is the low number blaming Ukraine for the war, even in India and China. Only a small minority anywhere are swallowing Russia's propaganda wholesale.

[Middle-aged Europe]

If the Moskva does go under, it'll be the largest ship sank in combat since WWII.

Before the ship was known as the Moskva, it was originally christened as the Slava. In that sense, Slava Ukraini!

[Hindsight was 2020]

https://mobile.twitter.com/OAlexanderDK/status/1514561198766886923
More and more sources outside of Russia is saying the ship did sink

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Update on the Moskva. I have my doubts on the Russian claim. We should have some satellite images in a few hours to verify how badly damaged she is. If she has only been crippled, I don't see why Ukraine won't launch another strike to finish her off.
https://twitter.com/Liveuamap/status/1514542248557486086

Even if this is true the Moskva is still out of commission, it would take months if not years to repair it and that's assuming Russian had access to all the parts they'd need which under sanctions they don't.

[pppolitics]

Russia is saying that the Moskva didn't sink, is only badly damaged, and is being towed back to port.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-says-flagship-black-sea-fleet-badly-damaged-by-blast-2022-04-14/

[Omega21]

https://twitter.com/DarthPutinKGB/status/1514460224127750146

[Person Man]

https://twitter.com/DarthPutinKGB/status/1514460224127750146

Slavic Science has gone too far!

[Person Man]

https://mobile.twitter.com/War_Mapper/status/1514032735408594948
https://mobile.twitter.com/War_Mapper/status/1514393355802791940

A few kilometers of no man's land captured is never going to erase the absolute humiliation of losing your flagship to a shore based battery.

He might be pro-Ukraine, but is simping for Russia in order to humiliate Biden and the West. That's my theory. The interesting part is that there is actually no way of telling at this time how our policies towards Russia were to change if Biden or his surrogate lost. If Trump gets re-elected, what would happen would be obvious. If a relatively normal neocon R wins in 2024, it might be totally the opposite of what would happen if Trump won.

I mean I understand he wants his side of the aisle to come out on top, but I don't think the outcome of this war really matters in terms of that.

At this point, the only thing that will matter in 2024 is if inflation is at 10-20% or if inflation is 2-3%.

[Hindsight was 2020]

https://mobile.twitter.com/War_Mapper/status/1514032735408594948
https://mobile.twitter.com/War_Mapper/status/1514393355802791940

A few kilometers of no man's land captured is never going to erase the absolute humiliation of losing your flagship to a shore based battery.

He might be pro-Ukraine, but is simping for Russia in order to humiliate Biden and the West. That's my theory. The interesting part is that there is actually no way of telling at this time how our policies towards Russia were to change if Biden or his surrogate lost. If Trump gets re-elected, what would happen would be obvious. If a relatively normal neocon R wins in 2024, it might be totally the opposite of what would happen if Trump won.

I mean I understand he wants his side of the aisle to come out on top, but I don't think the outcome of this war really matters in terms of that.

At this point, the only thing that will matter in 2024 is if inflation is at 10-20% or if inflation is 2-3%.

Ah the theory that he’s a piece of sh*t. Interesting 🧐

[Storr]

If the Moskva does go under, it'll be the largest ship sank in combat since WWII.

Before the ship was known as the Moskva, it was originally christened as the Slava. In that sense, Slava Ukraini!

It was also built in Mykolaiv Shipyard, along with its two sister ships. One of those, now called the Varyag, was originally named Chervona Ukraina meaning Red Ukraine. Combine the two old names and we get Slava Ukraina!