UK General Discussion: Rishecession

[afleitch]

Well here we are

https://mobile.twitter.com/Chican3ry/status/1621203419305332741

[Blair]

Im very very confused why there’s talk of Truss relaunching some weird backbench group of 50 MPs.

Do they really not remember what she did to their opinion polling and how awful she was? I was believed she needed to stay in post for much longer purely so the party could actually get it into their thick skull how awful her project was.

[oldtimer]

Im very very confused why there’s talk of Truss relaunching some weird backbench group of 50 MPs.

Do they really not remember what she did to their opinion polling and how awful she was? I was believed she needed to stay in post for much longer purely so the party could actually get it into their thick skull how awful her project was.

John Rentoul of all people wrote a  "Was Liz Truss right" article a few days ago.
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/liz-truss-tax-cuts-rishi-sunak-b2272880.html

Imagine how badly Sunak's doing for his arch supporters to regret it so much that Liz Truss starts to look better by comparison.

Which is not surprising, Sunak is so bad the only way he could win the post of PM was being the only candidate.

[EastAnglianLefty]

Why on earth would it be surprising that John Rentoul had an extremely stupid opinion?

[YL]

John Rentoul of all people wrote a  "Was Liz Truss right" article a few days ago.
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/liz-truss-tax-cuts-rishi-sunak-b2272880.html

It is amusing to see the author of Questions to which the answer is "No!" asking that question.

[CumbrianLefty]

Why on earth would it be surprising that John Rentoul had an extremely stupid opinion?

And why is he still regularly cited as a "centre-left" political commentator?

[TheTide]

John Rent-a-quote

[Blair]

My favourite throwback from him was his months long tirade against Keir Starmer calling Boris a liar

He voted for Boris Johnson as Mayor. Twice! In a system that made it very easy to protest vote.

I don't know why the I keep him on when the rest of their politics team is actually very sharp

[oldtimer]

A thing that needs to be kept in mind:

There will probably be a No-Confidence vote against Sunak in November, the threshold for that has already probably been reached given that it's relatively low, but it cannot trigger in the first year.

Of course the Chairman of the 1922 committee can make things up, to either delay or force the leader out.

Given that he stiched the last contest for Sunak, I guess he sits on the no-confidence letters  like he did with Cameron, May, and Boris, until his own position is threatened (his seat is a gonner at these polling levels).

[TheTide]

Frank Field was back in the Lords today. He announced in 2021 that he was in a hospice so this is quite nice to see, although he's still obviously unwell.

https://twitter.com/richard_kaputt/status/1621502284193730561?s=20&t=Gt6Ey0J...

[TheTide]

https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/ks0pzlbs8y/Internal_Favourability_230202.pdf

Latest favourability ratings of various politicians and parties. No one is popular, as usual, and several are outright toxic.

[Blair]

Reports Truss wants to do a Heath and become Leader of the Opposition.

On an aside its funny how in the recent discussions of post Prime Ministerial life Heath and his errrr financial dealings are never mentioned are they?

[TheTide]

Reports Truss wants to do a Heath and become Leader of the Opposition.

On an aside its funny how in the recent discussions of post Prime Ministerial life Heath and his errrr financial dealings are never mentioned are they?

She wouldn't be doing a Heath, she'd be doing a Hague.

[CumbrianLefty]

Frank Field was back in the Lords today. He announced in 2021 that he was in a hospice so this is quite nice to see, although he's still obviously unwell.

https://twitter.com/richard_kaputt/status/1621502284193730561?s=20&t=Gt6Ey0J...

Though it should be mentioned "terminally ill" doesn't automatically mean "at death's door" - as is too often assumed to be the case these days.

[Torrain]

https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/ks0pzlbs8y/Internal_Favourability_230202.pdf

Latest favourability ratings of various politicians and parties. No one is popular, as usual, and several are outright toxic.

Always a tad amused that the best rated politician in these datasets is just the person with the most “Don’t Know” votes.

Their voting intention numbers from yesterday were pretty eye-catching too - Labour on double the Conservative vote share (Lab 48%, Con 24%), with the gap widening five points from the last poll.

Clearly there’s no appetite (outside Johnson’s inner circle) for PM no.4 in this Parliament, but if Sunak continues to be a) so far behind in the polls, b) sliding further behind, I do wonder what the parliamentary party will do in response.

[CumbrianLefty]

My favourite throwback from him was his months long tirade against Keir Starmer calling Boris a liar

Also his more recent meltdown when Starmer said that the PM job was "too big" for Sunak.

[MABA 2020]

Sunak has proved to be crapper than expected (didn't have high expectations to begin with) but surely he's still the best candidate they have? I'm sure he'll get plenty of grief after the local elections but I think the lack of any alternative will keep him in place until the next election.

And the fact Truss is already attempting a comeback is beyond any description, just absurd.

[Blair]

Sunak has proved to be crapper than expected (didn't have high expectations to begin with) but surely he's still the best candidate they have? I'm sure he'll get plenty of grief after the local elections but I think the lack of any alternative will keep him in place until the next election.

And the fact Truss is already attempting a comeback is beyond any description, just absurd.

Yes they haven't realised that while Sunak is not the political gold they once thought he is not the reason they're going to get doors slammed on their face in the locals.

It would very much be like if Labour had made Jack Straw PM in 2009- the issue was and would continue to be the economy and the fact the Governing party looked clapped out and hopeless.

[CumbrianLefty]

I can see him being replaced, but as a final Hail Mary pass by the Tories if the 2024 local elections and polls remain wretched. It almost certainly won't work, but by that stage they would have little to lose.

[JimJamUK]

Truss is making her comeback tomorrow with a piece in the Telegraph (of course). She will focus on taxes, and for some reason, China (an issue normal people don’t care about and on which the debate is largely about whether to use harsher rhetoric rather than actual policy).

[Filuwaúrdjan]

No, I do not wish to hear the opinions of Jeremy Corbyn on the war in Ukraine, no I do not wish to hear the opinions of Liz Truss on the economy, and, frankly, I'm not sure what the justification is for any sort of media attention on either.

[Torrain]

Interested to see how she justifies attacking Jeremy Hunt, a chancellor she appointed to be cautious - for being too cautious.

[JimJamUK]

No, I do not wish to hear the opinions of Jeremy Corbyn on the war in Ukraine, no I do not wish to hear the opinions of Liz Truss on the economy, and, frankly, I'm not sure what the justification is for any sort of media attention on either.

What reason is there for most of the output of our media, but to gin up outrage?

[rc18]

No, I do not wish to hear the opinions of Jeremy Corbyn on the war in Ukraine, no I do not wish to hear the opinions of Liz Truss on the economy, and, frankly, I'm not sure what the justification is for any sort of media attention on either.

It's always helpful to remind the electorate of the mistakes they've made in ever voting for certain politicians...

[Cassius]

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